To everyone who thinks that LIMIT == Suggested

[thomsbrain]

no sh!t, sherlock.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: theGlove
what was your point again? seems to me you aren't saying anything

I felt it was made fairly clear what my point was and others seemed to pick up on it quickly. The left lane is for PASSING. However PASSING does not give you the inate right to speed. If you happen to get pulled over for passing, it's your fault. If you are in the left lane and arent passing, move the F over. If you are going 45 in a 55, the left lane is probably not for you. And that if you pass someone, when you are done, MOVE OVER.


No i'm not a cop

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
no sh!t, sherlock.

You think this seems so obvious. To me it did also. However there are millions of people in the US that dont understand the stay right rule and others like it.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: theGlove
what was your point again? seems to me you aren't saying anything

I felt it was made fairly clear what my point was and others seemed to pick up on it quickly. The left lane is for PASSING. However PASSING does not give you the inate right to speed. If you happen to get pulled over for passing, it's your fault. If you are in the left lane and arent passing, move the F over. If you are going 45 in a 55, the left lane is probably not for you. And that if you pass someone, when you are done, MOVE OVER.


No i'm not a cop

I am of the opinion that the left lane is either for passing or for traffic that is traveling at a faster rate than other traffic in the lanes to the right (hence, "passing"). It does not inherently give you the right to speed, but nor does anyone have the right to deliberately block traffic, even by traveling the "speed limit" in the left lane. That deliberately creates an unsafe situation, and pissed off drivers.

 

[Battleangel3222]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
I'm not saying that I do not speed because that would be a lie. I generally go at least 5 over the limit at any given time if not more. If the flow is at 15 over then that's my speed as well. I try to be in the middle ground somewhere.

Now with all that aside the speed limit does not mean that it's the suggested speed. Nor does it mean that speed is the minimum. If the speed limit is 65 that means that the maximum speed that you should be going is 65. Yes, you can probably get away with 70 or 75 pretty easily. However, this does not mean that 75 is the new "limit". It only means that you didn't get caught or no one cares.

This can be applied to any lane on the road, passing or not. SPEED LIMIT 65 means just that, anything over 65 is disobeying the law and could be subject to a ticket. When you get said ticket for being a "courteous driver" or obeying "lane etiquette" by speeding up to move over, just remember that you still broke the law and it's your own fault. Not anyone elses. Not the "stupid cops fault" for writing you a ticket. It's your own fault and no one elses.

Once again let me state that I do NOT drive 65 in a 65. I have gotten 2 speeding tickets in my life and been pulled over 3 times total. I dont sit there and argue with the cop. I as what I did and if I did it then by god write me the ticket. Will I be angry? Sure I will, but it's MY FAULT.

Take responsability for your own actions. If you do something wrong dont pawn it off on someone else and make them take the blame. I see it all the time and it's not just with police officers.

Rant off


EDIT: posted a few down
Sadly you are right. However the rules of the ROAD state that the rules for the LEFT LANE are the exact same as the rules for the RIGHT LANE. Sad how everone forgets that and thinks that "passing lane" means "speeding allowed lane."

EDIT 2: I 100% agree that the passing lane should be used for only passing and not "tracking" as i've heard it called. Get over, do your business, get back over to the right.

You prove a good point, but its still retarded. The whole reason cops piss people like me off, is they are too busy giving a working man a ticket for 2mph over the speed limit when there are much more important things to do than give tickets to a person who makes the country run. Cops are dicks. period.

 

[montanafan]

Speaking of speeding when you're just trying to go along with the flow of traffic where everyone is driving over the posted limit; I wonder what goes into the policeman's thinking when choosing which of those drivers to pull over.

For example, I was driving on a 4-lane highway divided by a grassy median and everyone was going about 10 miles over the limit. I went around the car in front of me and just as I got alongside I saw a police car coming in the opposite direction. I quickly went on around the car I was passing and moved back over into the right lane, but in my side mirror I saw the police car's lights come on and he started across the median. I thought, "Oh no, he's going to ticket me."

As the police car started down the left lane on our side of the highway, a black mercedes that had been behind me before I passed came by passing the car behind me and then moved over into the right lane in front of me. The police car came up alongside of me with his lights flashing and I started slowing down to prepare to pull over and then the police car pulled into the right lane front of me and hit the siren and pulled the mercedes over and I went on my merry way.

I always wondered why he decided to get the guy in the mercedes instead of me. Did he get mad at the driver of the mercedes for passing after he was coming up behind him with his lights flashing? Did he decide the driver of the mercedes was just the dumber of the two of us and deserve the ticket more? Did I just get lucky by slowing down and putting enough space between me and the mercedes so that the cop could more easily pull him over? Or did he decide that the guy driving the mercedes could more easily afford the ticket since I was driving a camaro at the time?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: theGlove
what was your point again? seems to me you aren't saying anything

I felt it was made fairly clear what my point was and others seemed to pick up on it quickly. The left lane is for PASSING. However PASSING does not give you the inate right to speed. If you happen to get pulled over for passing, it's your fault. If you are in the left lane and arent passing, move the F over. If you are going 45 in a 55, the left lane is probably not for you. And that if you pass someone, when you are done, MOVE OVER.


No i'm not a cop

I still don't get why you are so concerned about what I bolded. It isn't your business if people want to "speed". If they want to speed...they will have to deal with the consequences for doing so. What is this "right to speed" bullsh!t?

 

[DivideBYZero]

They are not limits, they're pace notes.

 

[Rumpltzer]

Speed "limits", stop signs, the lights, the funny lines on the road... they're all just suggestions.

 

[Leper Messiah]

OP: Never move to michigan. You'll be a liability.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Ehh. I fully agree with the OP.

I think too many of us concern ourselves with "common speed" that we ignore that we are clearly breaking the rules. I mean it's like jaywalking. I see cops ignore kids who cross the street randomly with bikes and w/o helments. I see ppl running across streets not getting caught. Just last week someone got caught. I kinda laughed, cuz yes, it does suck. My friend got pulled over for a rolling stop. I mean it's scenarios like these that make you go "omgwtfbbq, he's just doing this to meet a quota."

But the reality is, we all speed and we need to recognize the consequences. I drive 80 a lot of times going from my house to SFO along 280, teh hgihway that's always empty and almost copless. I drive 75 - 80 along the 40 min drive to school. Once I didnt even realize a cop was next to me and everyone slowed to 65 while I was going slightly above 75. He didn't care, and I was like oh crap and then slowed down.

Even while the speed limit is what we should and are supposed to drive at, I accept the fact that people will pass me. I drive 70mph MAX now because I am in shock due to gas prices and my weekly commute which totals to 300 miles. There wil be no more d riving at 75 or 80 to pass people so I can get to work faster. It's all about gas saving now. I will drive 65 sometimes, and maybe 70 to pass someone in the right/mid lane. I have gone into the left, but I quickly get back out once I pass the idiotic semi that drives in the middle lane for no reason.

So if you want to speed, I say go ahead. If I werent driving this POS minivan I would be speeding too, because 18mpg is just unacceptable to me to speed in. Anyways, I will respect you speeders because I'm sure I would be the same as many people if I had another car. So as a common courtesy, I will ALWAYS let you pass me by merging to the right or what not. I won't tap my brakes so you have to tailgate me.

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

It is suggested, but only from the limit, which should never be exceeded, down to a more appropriate speed when weather/road conditions would require it.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
OP: Never move to michigan. You'll be a liability.

I think I stated several times now that I myself do speed. However I acknowledge the fact that i'm not right the entire time i'm doing it, unlike others who believe that the "flow of traffic" is above all law.

 

[OFFascist]

Sorry EMPshockwave82, but you are wrong.

In my state, Texas, the speed limit is pretty much a suggestion.

Under Texas law the crime isnt driving over the speed limit, the crime is "driving and an unreasonable speed." with unreasonable not being defined.

It does however state that driving over the speed limit can be used as evidence that your speed was unreasonable.

I generally drive up to 10mph over as do most Texans, if I've gotten a 3 speeding tickets so far, I paid the 1st one cause I was ignorant of the law, however I fought the other two and won. A jury of my peers says that atleast 10mph over the limit is reasonable under my circumstances.

 

[jondercik]

Speeding tickets are just used to create income for the city or state. Speed doesnt kill.

 

[Kelemvor]

What's the point of this thread. OP states that going over the posted limit is speeding and you can get a ticket... Duh. Did someone think that signs were just there for fun?

Sometimes you can argue out of it in court if everyone else was going 15 over and you felt unsafe driving the speed limit so you sped up so as not to be a hazard to other drivers even though they were the ones breaking the law.

But yeah, duh, if you speed you can get a ticket... Doesn't mean you will... but you could.

 

[J0hnny]

Originally posted by: jondercik
Speeding tickets are just used to create income for the city or state. Speed doesnt kill.

Finally, someone who isn't a sheep like the rest of you idiots.

 

[91TTZ]

Keep in mind that the speed limits the US has were created during the Nixon administration for fuel savings, not safety. Only after the police departments became addicted to the newfound revenue did they begin marketing it as being "for your safety".

The 55 mph speed limit came as a result of the 1973 Arab oil embargo. Gas was rationed at stations and a low speed limit was imposed to save fuel. The police strictly enforced this law in order to save fuel. It did save fuel, and the police found that they got a lot of revenue from this. After the embargo ended, the government did not let up on the speed limit. There was too much revenue at stake. Nowadays the speed limit is enforced for the revenue it provides, and the justification they give is that it's for your safety. Learn history and find out how this is a lie.

Governments *rarely* let up on "temporary" taxes/laws once they see a new revenue stream and become dependent on it.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

speed limits are bullsht

Rant off

 

[CVSiN]

simple.. my oppinion is...
FVCK speed limits and the Police...

simple...

Cops should have better things to do that worry about people doing 5 over the posted limit..

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Sorry EMPshockwave82, but you are wrong.

In my state, Texas, the speed limit is pretty much a suggestion.

Under Texas law the crime isnt driving over the speed limit, the crime is "driving and an unreasonable speed." with unreasonable not being defined.

It does however state that driving over the speed limit can be used as evidence that your speed was unreasonable.

I generally drive up to 10mph over as do most Texans, if I've gotten a 3 speeding tickets so far, I paid the 1st one cause I was ignorant of the law, however I fought the other two and won. A jury of my peers says that atleast 10mph over the limit is reasonable under my circumstances.

No. Actually I am right and the law is on my side OFFascist. That is the whole point of this post. Did you read any of it? If you did apparently you missed every point I made.

In Texas the law may state "unreasonable speed" but in the court system the judge interprets the "reasonable speed" to be the posted speed limit.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Sorry EMPshockwave82, but you are wrong.

In my state, Texas, the speed limit is pretty much a suggestion.

Under Texas law the crime isnt driving over the speed limit, the crime is "driving and an unreasonable speed." with unreasonable not being defined.

It does however state that driving over the speed limit can be used as evidence that your speed was unreasonable.

I generally drive up to 10mph over as do most Texans, if I've gotten a 3 speeding tickets so far, I paid the 1st one cause I was ignorant of the law, however I fought the other two and won. A jury of my peers says that atleast 10mph over the limit is reasonable under my circumstances.

No. Actually I am right and the law is on my side OFFascist. That is the whole point of this post. Did you read any of it? If you did apparently you missed every point I made.

In Texas the law may state "unreasonable speed" but in the court system the judge interprets the "reasonable speed" to be the posted speed limit.

You're right, but keep in mind that the law about the enreasonable speed was probably enacted before the energy crisis in 1973 and the resulting speed limits.

Once governments gain control over their citizens, they rarely give those rights back. As time progresses, the laws get stricter and stricter until the people can't take it anymore and the government is overthrown. This usually takes a long time and doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

 

[bonkers325]

Originally posted by: magomago
I have driven on the highway in the middle lane going 70 MPH, and it isn't uncommon to watch cops speed by in the far left lane at probably 80-90 MPH. I thin a lot of it is common sense. I've seen guys get pulled over going 65, but they were weaving like crazy...at the same time if you are going 100 and burning everyone near you I would expect you to be pulled over. But if the flow of your lane is 80 miles, and the lanes to your right are going ~70ish, its a healthy speed.

Though it is supposed to be a "passing lane", people treat it as the "fast lane". Hell, I learned that in driving school!

Anyways, a cop who pulls you over on the highway for speeding when the rest of the traffic is going around the same speed is stupid.

Oh, that and I see somone trying to drive 60MPH in the left lane as a greater hazard than someone going at 80MPH

cops speed by at 80-90mph because that way if they see anyone matching their speed they can run them down for speeding.

 

[Slvrtg277]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
This thread will degenerate into a flamewar about the true rules of the left lane, guaranteed.

Sadly you are right. However the rules of the ROAD state that the rules for the LEFT LANE are the exact same as the rules for the RIGHT LANE. Sad how everone forgets that and thinks that "passing lane" means "speeding allowed lane."

Wrong. The law here states that if you're in the left lane and you're not passing, you're in violation of the law and you will be pulled over for it and ticketed if the officer so desires.

 

[skace]

The speed limit is a mockery and a joke of the legal system. If it weren't every person speeding would be pulled over. But instead, every person driving is speeding and the only people that are pulled over are those that go beyond an imaginery limit, such as 50 in a 30 or 90 in a 55. These are the imaginery limits that are in place. Because everyone else is going 40 in a 30 and 80 in a 55. But instead of updating the limits, they'd rather pull people over based on these imaginery limits so that they can ensure a massive fine.