To defrag or not?

[DominionSeraph]

Originally posted by: taltamir
I disable it because it fails to recognize a lot of actions as use...
EX: running a torrent, defragging, watching a movie, listening to music, and many others will NOT prevent the computer from going into sleep mode automatically.

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µTorrent has a "prevent standby if there are active torrents" right on the General page. Defrag will prevent S3. So will Windows Media Player.

Originally posted by: taltamirdedicated programs like diskkeeper just unduly thrash the drive defragging every last ounce of free space and making sure every file is continues regardless of "fragment" size. waste of time and money.

Your previous comments weren't in response to a post about diskeeper -- you said, "defragmentation." Diskeeper can be super anal, but that says nothing about defragmentation in general.
Defraggler can be set up to move certain files to the end of the drive, which effectively short-strokes your drive for the rest of your files. Defraggler can also be set up to ignore fragments over a certain size; so like Windows 7 it could ignore fragments over 64MB.
Boot defrag is great.
And none of this costs more than a few cents. If you do it during web surfing or watching a movie, then it's free with no interruption.

Originally posted by: taltamir PS. don't assume 200 watt, assume 120 watt, because that is idle / near idle consumption.

No, you need worse-than-average numbers to properly pwn somebody in a debate. Best-case Pollyanna scenarios just give your opponent an avenue to counterattack and an opportunity to bog things down in minutiae.

Debate psychology is kinda my thing.

Originally posted by: taltamirBut if you leave it overnight it will take 1.44 cents per hour, it adds up.

Defrag doesn't take all night, and S3 runs around $0.0006 an hour.
And 1.44 cents/hour doesn't do anything I'd call, 'adding up'. If you defragged once a month, and it took an insane 8 hours each time, that would be $1.38 at the end of the year.
Compare this to the ~$2.00 I waste in gas each time I take my car to 150MPH over the last mile 'til my exit; or the way my Bandit sucks it down and wears through rears at 165.

So, anyone too poor to afford defrag is too poor to matter; so the cost angle is moot.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: DominionSeraph
Compare this to the ~$2.00 I waste in gas each time I take my car to 150MPH over the last mile 'til my exit; or the way my Bandit sucks it down and wears through rears at 165.
So, anyone too poor to afford defrag is too poor to matter; so the cost angle is moot.

You drive 150MPH?

 

[DominionSeraph]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
You drive 150MPH?

I wouldn't say I drive 150, but I've hit it on numerous speed runs. For "driving," I did 130-140 for thirty miles once. That was fun.

 

[taltamir]

µTorrent has a "prevent standby if there are active torrents" right on the General page. Defrag will prevent S3. So will Windows Media Player.

they should... but i found in reality this isn't always the case... also I don't use windows media player.

No, you need worse-than-average numbers to properly pwn somebody in a debate. Best-case Pollyanna scenarios just give your opponent an avenue to counterattack and an opportunity to bog things down in minutiae.

I wish to learn and teach, If you "give me" "fact" which are clearly false but "support" "my argument" I do not want them. I'd rather be proven wrong and learn something.

Defrag doesn't take all night, and S3 runs around $0.0006 an hour.
And 1.44 cents/hour doesn't do anything I'd call, 'adding up'. If you defragged once a month,

S3 is indeed very efficient, I use it instead of shutting down my PC. I never claimed S3 wasn't efficient, I am sure there are some defragging tools that can send your PC into sleep mode / shut it down...
My experiences with defrag programs other than windows7 were, either i do it manually, or i suddenly get hit by untolerable lag during and game and have to alt tab to turn off the defrag if it is automatic.
While 1.44 cents ONCE a month for 8 hours adds up to very little, leaving your PC on for an additional 8 hours every night adds up to 42$ a year.

However, if you are manually running a defrag session overnight once a month, than it can be done at relatively insignificant cost.

Still, too much effort on your part for not much benefit.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Originally posted by: taltamir
I wish to learn and teach, If you "give me" "fact" which are clearly false but "support" "my argument" I do not want them. I'd rather be proven wrong and learn something.

Best-case proves nothing, though. Watch:

Should I go out tonight and blow all my money on a new rig?
Well, best-case, I win the Lottery tomorrow. If I win the Lotto, blowing the money I currently have is meaningless. So, since the effective cost is zero, the benefit of having a new rig outweighs the cost, so the answer is, "Yes."
Does this prove that I should blow my money? No. Best-case does not cover worse-cases because better cases have devalued risk.

But we rarely use worst-case because it's often massively unrepresentative. Watch:

Should you defrag your hard drive?

Well, worst case is that you're a disfigured, starving retarded Ethiopian with dysentery, cholera, AIDS, and worms; with nothing to his name but a battered old hard drive -- you don't even have a computer to put it in nor electricity to run it if you did. So, should you try to defrag it? No, in that case I'd say you should kill yourself and leave the question of defrag to someone with more going for him.

While that answer of, "No," is safe, the unrepresentative nature of the scenario means you don't get a good feel for the proposition.

So I used 200 watts. It's a realistic 'worst-case' for a First Worlder with no special circumstances.
2.4 cents an hour for a handful of hours a year? Meaningless cost. This 'meaningless' covers your 1.4 cents/hr as well, that being a better-case scenario.

See how it works? If 2.4 cents is a meaningless cost, 1.4 cents is too.

Originally posted by: taltamir I am sure there are some defragging tools that can send your PC into sleep mode

Yes. It's called, "Windows."

Originally posted by: taltamir My experiences with defrag programs other than windows7 were, either i do it manually, or i suddenly get hit by untolerable lag during and game and have to alt tab to turn off the defrag if it is automatic.

So what? You're overgeneralizing from a specific scenario. It's like saying, "One time I got food poisoning, therefore 'eating food' is bad. Nobody should do it."

Originally posted by: taltamir While 1.44 cents ONCE a month for 8 hours adds up to very little, leaving your PC on for an additional 8 hours every night adds up to 42$ a year.

So what? Who the heck would be defragging their hard drive once a day, the defrag taking 8 hours each time?

I can come up with retarded scenarios too:

500 15,000 rpm SCSI drives running concurrent defrag and fragmentation routines 24/7/365.24219878.

That would cost a bundle, but what's the relevance? Nobody's stupid enough to do it.

 

[taltamir]

So what? You're overgeneralizing from a specific scenario. It's like saying, "One time I got food poisoning, therefore 'eating food' is bad. Nobody should do it."

More than one time, people got food poisoning from eating raw meat, therefore eating raw meat is bad.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Just have to get the last word in, don't you. And with another bad example.

Steak tartare. Sushi. Carpaccio. Kibbe nayyeh.