To Bust or not to bust?

[NikPreviousAcct]

Woah woah woah. Nobody's saying he needs to be arrested and thrown in jail. The law requires that you report a crime if you see it being committed. If the OP has some sort of evidence that can prove he's driving without insurance, the OP needs to report him. That's all the law requires. The OP isn't the judge and jury, he's just doing his civic duty. It's one thing for someone to, say, park crookedly or drive the wrong way in a parkinglot or something -but you're talking about someone in a situation that threatens considerable financial liability and if he's not prepared like the law requires that he be, then someone needs to do something about it.

 

[MX2]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MX2times
Nik, I understand completely where you are coming from, believe me. However, there is a grey area here which should be considered.

What gray area is that? I don't see how it's his legal responsibility to do anything more than report a crime being committed to the authorities.

Because how does the OP know 100% without a doubt that he is in fact driving illegally? That is why I suggested confronting the guy and then doing whats necessary.

EDIT: By the way, I have been hit twice by uninsured drivers and it doesnt change my opinion at all.

It is not up to the OP to determine guilt. A judge will do that. The OP's civic resposnibility is to look out for his fellow citizens.

I agree, but its also a responsibilty as an adult to check your facts before whistle blowing. is it not?

 

[Veramocor]

Originally posted by: pulse8
Unless you have solid proof, then I would mind your own business.

Which plate is it?

http://home.twcny.rr.com/nyplates/gallery.htm

Just the liberty plate.

 

[Veramocor]

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MX2times
Nik, I understand completely where you are coming from, believe me. However, there is a grey area here which should be considered.

What gray area is that? I don't see how it's his legal responsibility to do anything more than report a crime being committed to the authorities.

Because how does the OP know 100% without a doubt that he is in fact driving illegally? That is why I suggested confronting the guy and then doing whats necessary.

EDIT: By the way, I have been hit twice by uninsured drivers and it doesnt change my opinion at all.

My father works in law enforcement in NY and checked the plate number it is expired.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: MX2times
I agree, but its also a responsibilty as an adult to check your facts before whistle blowing. is it not?

You are back-tracking so fast that you lost me.
How do we know he didn't check his facts?

 

[MX2]

Originally posted by: Veramocor

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MX2times
Nik, I understand completely where you are coming from, believe me. However, there is a grey area here which should be considered.

What gray area is that? I don't see how it's his legal responsibility to do anything more than report a crime being committed to the authorities.

Because how does the OP know 100% without a doubt that he is in fact driving illegally? That is why I suggested confronting the guy and then doing whats necessary.

EDIT: By the way, I have been hit twice by uninsured drivers and it doesnt change my opinion at all.

My father works in law enforcement in NY and checked the plate number it is expired.

Now that you have checked your facts, do as you will.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Veramocor

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MX2times
Nik, I understand completely where you are coming from, believe me. However, there is a grey area here which should be considered.

What gray area is that? I don't see how it's his legal responsibility to do anything more than report a crime being committed to the authorities.

Because how does the OP know 100% without a doubt that he is in fact driving illegally? That is why I suggested confronting the guy and then doing whats necessary.

EDIT: By the way, I have been hit twice by uninsured drivers and it doesnt change my opinion at all.

My father works in law enforcement in NY and checked the plate number it is expired.

:thumbsup:

 

[MX2]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MX2times
I agree, but its also a responsibilty as an adult to check your facts before whistle blowing. is it not?

You are back-tracking so fast that you lost me.
How do we know he didn't check his facts?

I saw no comment in the OP to lead me to believe he was 100% certain this guy was breaking the law and driving uninsured.

 

[Veramocor]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Veramocor

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MX2times
Nik, I understand completely where you are coming from, believe me. However, there is a grey area here which should be considered.

What gray area is that? I don't see how it's his legal responsibility to do anything more than report a crime being committed to the authorities.

Because how does the OP know 100% without a doubt that he is in fact driving illegally? That is why I suggested confronting the guy and then doing whats necessary.

EDIT: By the way, I have been hit twice by uninsured drivers and it doesnt change my opinion at all.

My father works in law enforcement in NY and checked the plate number it is expired.

:thumbsup:

Unfortunately he's a probation officer not a cop so he doesn't have access to insurance records. So I guess the guy could just be drivng unregistered.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MX2times
I agree, but its also a responsibilty as an adult to check your facts before whistle blowing. is it not?

You are back-tracking so fast that you lost me.
How do we know he didn't check his facts?

I saw no comment in the OP to lead me to believe he was 100% certain this guy was breaking the law and driving uninsured.

Neither did you see any comment about him "just guessing" either.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Nik
Woah woah woah. Nobody's saying he needs to be arrested and thrown in jail. The law requires that you report a crime if you see it being committed. If the OP has some sort of evidence that can prove he's driving without insurance, the OP needs to report him. That's all the law requires. The OP isn't the judge and jury, he's just doing his civic duty. It's one thing for someone to, say, park crookedly or drive the wrong way in a parkinglot or something -but you're talking about someone in a situation that threatens considerable financial liability and if he's not prepared like the law requires that he be, then someone needs to do something about it.

laff, well...

Being forced to have insurance is something I don't agree with, but i guess that's a whole 'nother thread.

Needless to say, I won't perform my "civic duty" and report a crime that I don't believe is actually a crime. 🙂

 

[MX2]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MX2times
I agree, but its also a responsibilty as an adult to check your facts before whistle blowing. is it not?

You are back-tracking so fast that you lost me.
How do we know he didn't check his facts?

I saw no comment in the OP to lead me to believe he was 100% certain this guy was breaking the law and driving uninsured.

Neither did you see any comment about him "just guessing" either.

True, but that is what it reads as...to me anyway. I have driven on expired plates and my insurance has never lapsed.

Originally posted by: Veramocor
This also means he probally doesn't have insurance in either place.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Mind your own business and no I won't change my tune if he hits me. I have insurance.

Also I still have CA plates on my car but it is insured. Registration is not required for insurance. You have nothing other than his plates are/ may be expired and he has failed to register.

Edit: Note on the CA plates. They are not even my plates. I had the car shipped to me and they were left on.

 

[Mill]

As someone who has been hit by uninsured drivers twice -- mind your own fvcking business.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Nik
Woah woah woah. Nobody's saying he needs to be arrested and thrown in jail. The law requires that you report a crime if you see it being committed. If the OP has some sort of evidence that can prove he's driving without insurance, the OP needs to report him. That's all the law requires. The OP isn't the judge and jury, he's just doing his civic duty. It's one thing for someone to, say, park crookedly or drive the wrong way in a parkinglot or something -but you're talking about someone in a situation that threatens considerable financial liability and if he's not prepared like the law requires that he be, then someone needs to do something about it.

laff, well...

Being forced to have insurance is something I don't agree with, but i guess that's a whole 'nother thread.

Needless to say, I won't perform my "civic duty" and report a crime that I don't believe is actually a crime. 🙂

And the op is saying he may not have insurance based on his car having old plates. So he is going to start a whole bitch fest bcause the car has old plates and he THINKS the driver may not have insurance. Dont you want to go narking on someone when you have all the facts first?

Thats like going to best buy and watching someone buy 100 blank dvd disks and then calling the cops because he bought so many he must be making copies at home so go bust him.

So because the guy has old plates he must not have any insurance so go bust him.
Get a life man and stop woring about other people and worry about yourself.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: funboy42

And the op is saying he may not have insurance based on his car having old plates. So he is going to start a whole bitch fest bcause the car has old plates and he THINKS the driver may not have insurance. Dont you want to go narking on someone when you have all the facts first?

Thats like going to best buy and watching someone buy 100 blank dvd disks and then calling the cops because he bought so many he must be making copies at home so go bust him.

So because the guy has old plates he must not have any insurance so go bust him.
Get a life man and stop woring about other people and worry about yourself.

Yup.

It would be like the cops sitting at the local Hydroponics shop, writing down the license plates of everybody who goes in there.

They just can't do that. People are innocent until proven guilty.....

Although, it isn't quite the same.. Buying DVDs or hydroponics equipment isn't technically illegal, while driving with expired plates is nomatter how you play it.

But it is a minor offense, like speeding.. It doesen't even deserve the thought, let alone the time and effort of "busting" them.

He'll get caught. And if he doesen't get caught before he manages to get new plates, who cares?

You want to make a difference in your community? Go find some meth labs or something.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Nik
Woah woah woah. Nobody's saying he needs to be arrested and thrown in jail. The law requires that you report a crime if you see it being committed. If the OP has some sort of evidence that can prove he's driving without insurance, the OP needs to report him. That's all the law requires. The OP isn't the judge and jury, he's just doing his civic duty. It's one thing for someone to, say, park crookedly or drive the wrong way in a parkinglot or something -but you're talking about someone in a situation that threatens considerable financial liability and if he's not prepared like the law requires that he be, then someone needs to do something about it.

laff, well...

Being forced to have insurance is something I don't agree with, but i guess that's a whole 'nother thread.

Needless to say, I won't perform my "civic duty" and report a crime that I don't believe is actually a crime. 🙂

I don't like being forced to have it either. In fact I fvcking hate being forced to have it. However, that still doesn't change my civic duty to report a crime which is what this boils down to. Whether you think it's a crime or not doesn't change whether it really is or not.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Nik
Woah woah woah. Nobody's saying he needs to be arrested and thrown in jail. The law requires that you report a crime if you see it being committed. If the OP has some sort of evidence that can prove he's driving without insurance, the OP needs to report him. That's all the law requires. The OP isn't the judge and jury, he's just doing his civic duty. It's one thing for someone to, say, park crookedly or drive the wrong way in a parkinglot or something -but you're talking about someone in a situation that threatens considerable financial liability and if he's not prepared like the law requires that he be, then someone needs to do something about it.

laff, well...

Being forced to have insurance is something I don't agree with, but i guess that's a whole 'nother thread.

Needless to say, I won't perform my "civic duty" and report a crime that I don't believe is actually a crime. 🙂

I don't like being forced to have it either. In fact I fvcking hate being forced to have it. However, that still doesn't change my civic duty to report a crime which is what this boils down to. Whether you think it's a crime or not doesn't change whether it really is or not.

But how is this a crime????? The op doesnt really know if he has insurance or not he just suspects he may not because the car has old plates on it. You need to know for sure for it to be a crime which he does not.

I bought insurance for the entire year because I could afford it when I got my taxes in Febuary. I couldnt afford right away when my plates expired to get them renewed but I still had insurance. But without knowing or not you cant go making judgements like this and assume that he doesnt.

Please people police get a life really!

 

[Veramocor]

I think I've decided the best thing to do is write the guy a note or mention it next time I see him. That way he doesn't get busted and gets insurance not screwing the rest of us.

 

[cbehnken]

you have no idea what his situation is. Let the police decide who to investigate.

 

[bootymac]

Nah, I'd let him be

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Nik
Woah woah woah. Nobody's saying he needs to be arrested and thrown in jail. The law requires that you report a crime if you see it being committed. If the OP has some sort of evidence that can prove he's driving without insurance, the OP needs to report him. That's all the law requires. The OP isn't the judge and jury, he's just doing his civic duty. It's one thing for someone to, say, park crookedly or drive the wrong way in a parkinglot or something -but you're talking about someone in a situation that threatens considerable financial liability and if he's not prepared like the law requires that he be, then someone needs to do something about it.

laff, well...

Being forced to have insurance is something I don't agree with, but i guess that's a whole 'nother thread.

Needless to say, I won't perform my "civic duty" and report a crime that I don't believe is actually a crime. 🙂

I don't like being forced to have it either. In fact I fvcking hate being forced to have it. However, that still doesn't change my civic duty to report a crime which is what this boils down to. Whether you think it's a crime or not doesn't change whether it really is or not.

I guess... According to the opinion of the law, anyway. Being able to disobey laws is one of the things that makes America great. It's how things get changed.

If everybody just sat down and shut up when they said, "This is the law."... wow, we may as well be living in China or something.

Of course, I'm not taking into account crimes like murder and rape. You can say "The law is the law" all you want, but there is a difference between crimes like this and felonies.

The guy hasn't done anything to you, and what you've proven he has done wrong is insignificant even in society's terms.

Just leave him alone. I'm sure he's struggling as it is.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: funboy42
But how is this a crime????? The op doesnt really know if he has insurance or not he just suspects he may not because the car has old plates on it. You need to know for sure for it to be a crime which he does not.

As a driver, it is my responsibility to know the laws governing the roads that I drive on. As an example, when I see someone with license plate tags that read "01/05" I know that the plates are expired. It's against the law to drive a vehicle without valid license plate tags in Oregon, as I would *gasp* assume that it would be for every other state in the nation. While I'm not a judge and therefore cannot legally pronounce the driver guilty of any crime, I still know he's breaking the law.

Now for situations closer to this one where you see something that you think is a crime, I don't think that a police officer wants pictures of the crime being committed that are paper-clipped to a current printout of the city/county/state statutes that dictate the action being committed to be recognized as a crime and handed to them in a nice pretty portfolio with the city's police department logo on the front in order to step in and investigate further or do something about said crime.

Personally, I'd weigh the time it takes to report the crime against the severity of the crime when considering whether to report it or not. If the license plate expired, like, last month or something, I probably wouldn't do anything about it because I'm a lazy bastard. But if the plate is obviously way old, like six months expired or something, then I'd probably, you know, blow up about it, yank the guy out of the car and beat him to a bloody pulp for it. Or something.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Nik
Bust him, his car isn't registered and he doesn't have insurance; he shouldn't be driving.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: moomoo40moo

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
report his ass, because it is your business. if he's to cheap to pay tax and insurance then he won't be able pay shat when he runs into you on the road! then it is YOUR problem.
can you tell i've been hit by an uninsured driver?

:thumbsup:

Very true, what if he hits YOU?

Most in this thread would bitch about minding their own business then immediately reverse their dumbass opinion the second he hits THEM. :roll:

I've been hit by an uninsured driver, thanks 😉