to all you nonbelievers in religion

[confused1234]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: joshsquall
This is by no means an original idea. Or a good one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal

OWNED

as ive said before my teacher brought it up in class and wondered what you people think of it

 

[AbAbber2k]

Jesus Christ.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Well if you're still wondering, I think it's a crock of sh!t. The whole thing about faith is that you're supposed to honestly believe, through some collection of personal experience and spiritual feelings. Being told that if you're right you go to heaven, if you're wrong you've lost nothing doesn't in ANY way inspire faith in me.

Fire and brimstone in general wreaks of this to me - your belief isn't supposed to come from hedging a bet or self(soul) preservation, it's supposed to come from love of <insert deity> and deep acceptance of their principals. Hell, the whole thing with confession in the Catholic church and repentance with protestants is that you can mess up the deep acceptance part big time, so long as you have the love in your "heart". If you shallowly profess your faith with little personal conviction (like most folks) then you would think that an omniscient being would see right through it.

Speaking of omniscient beings, it's all been decided and free will is an illusion. This is getting into the cliche, but I mentioned it to a hardcore thumper once and was told "Well that's where the faith comes in - it may seem like a contradiction to you, but God knows what hes doing and you shouldn't think about it so hard".

Um, yeah, I don't pretend to out-logic omniscience, but as a call to Church I just don't buy it.

Confused sorry for calling you out - didn't realize that you brought it up because you'd heard about Pascal.

 

[dandruff]

:laugh:

 

[Mathlete]

Blaise? Is that you?

 

[DAGTA]

Pascal's Wager worked for me. I decided to give it a chance and see what would happen.

 

[Mathlete]

I believe it was Thomas Aquainas that made the commentary about how you shouldn't "Wager" on religion.

Can we put a stop to all this "you should believe this" and "you shouldn't believe that" crap. Jesus Christ, I am a Catholic and this is getting annoying.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: confused1234
why dont you believe in the bible. what would happen if you keep convincing yourself that god doesnt exist only to find out when you die he does and you go to hell. so i say believe in god because if religion is wrong NO BAD can come form it and if religion is right so much good can come from it

I didn't read any posts after the intial one. Your entire post, though, was originally thought up here...a long time ago!

Pascal says REPOST!

"It is better to live your life as if there are no Gods, and try to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent God, He will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in Him."

FTW

- M4H

 

[touchmyichi]

I wrote a term paper on how illogical Pascal's wager is, take some philosophy classes before you spout simplistic skeletons of decent arguements online.

 

[topslop1]

Religious people are usually happier. But they are not usually smarter.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: confused1234
why dont you believe in the bible. what would happen if you keep convincing yourself that god doesnt exist only to find out when you die he does and you go to hell. so i say believe in god because if religion is wrong NO BAD can come form it and if religion is right so much good can come from it

I didn't read any posts after the intial one. Your entire post, though, was originally thought up here...a long time ago!

Pascal says REPOST!

"It is better to live your life as if there are no Gods, and try to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent God, He will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in Him."

FTW

- M4H

Doesn't work according to christianity, as they claim you are evil by nature.
You're no better than a mass murderer to them.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: confused1234
why dont you believe in the bible. what would happen if you keep convincing yourself that god doesnt exist only to find out when you die he does and you go to hell. so i say believe in god because if religion is wrong NO BAD can come form it and if religion is right so much good can come from it

I didn't read any posts after the intial one. Your entire post, though, was originally thought up here...a long time ago!

Pascal says REPOST!

"It is better to live your life as if there are no Gods, and try to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent God, He will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in Him."

FTW

- M4H

Doesn't work according to christianity, as they claim you are evil by nature.
You're no better than a mass murderer to them.

Ah, but there's the important "I don't give a **** what they think" factor.

Christian: Blah Blah Blah Heathen Living In Sin Blasphemer Heretic Etc Thou Shalt Not
M4H: I'm trying to raise money for cancer research, piss off.

- M4H

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: confused1234
why dont you believe in the bible. what would happen if you keep convincing yourself that god doesnt exist only to find out when you die he does and you go to hell. so i say believe in god because if religion is wrong NO BAD can come form it and if religion is right so much good can come from it

I didn't read any posts after the intial one. Your entire post, though, was originally thought up here...a long time ago!

Pascal says REPOST!

"It is better to live your life as if there are no Gods, and try to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent God, He will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in Him."

FTW

- M4H

Doesn't work according to christianity, as they claim you are evil by nature.
You're no better than a mass murderer to them.

depends on which of the billion christians you ask

 

[oslama]

Originally posted by: confused1234
why dont you believe in the bible. what would happen if you keep convincing yourself that god doesnt exist only to find out when you die he does and you go to hell. so i say believe in god because if religion is wrong NO BAD can come form it and if religion is right so much good can come from it

Why do i have to believe in the "bible"? why cant i believe in the koran, the gita or book of the dead?

What if when you die you do not go heaven nor hell. What if if your soul attached to the many noodles of the flying sphagetti monster and you were like 'man, i was reading the wrong book and following the wrong diety; I should have been worshipping pasta'.

 

[Saint Nick]

Your belief in God is only just if you believe it with your heart, not your mind. No amount of knowledge of the Bible, the history of Christianity, helping other people, and tithing will send you to heaven. It's you who has to dedicate your life to God, not your actions.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: confused1234
why dont you believe in the bible. what would happen if you keep convincing yourself that god doesnt exist only to find out when you die he does and you go to hell. so i say believe in god because if religion is wrong NO BAD can come form it and if religion is right so much good can come from it

IMO, what you stated is much worse than being a true religious person, AND is much worse than someone who does not believe in religion.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Along the same lines, why would anyone refuse to believe in the Tooth Fairy? If you lose a tooth and you believe, you get a quarter under your pillow, whereas if you don't, you get nothing!

That's true, but a quarter is not quite the same as your soul...

 

[So]

Originally posted by: pOwder
Your belief in God is only just if you believe it with your heart, not your mind. No amount of knowledge of the Bible, the history of Christianity, helping other people, and tithing will send you to heaven. It's you who has to dedicate your life to God, not your actions.

How can I believe something in a pulsing mass of involuntarily moving muscle.

 

[LivinLaVivaPollo]

Easy. Live your life as an atheist. Believe in god when you are about to die. You win at life and death.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
If I die and stand before God, hey, I'll believe he exists. And I'll say that he's an ass for giving humans one pitifully tiny lifetime to determine the ultimate nature and reason for existence (God did it), and then administer an infinite amount of punishment. That's just psychotic behavior.
If I die and no afterlife exists, I'll never ponder much of anything ever again, just basically rot in the ground.

Tjat is why you should be Hindu Plenty of chances to get it "right." Of course for me God is all faiths paradoxically because God can be all things paradoxically. "Right" is a wonderful human construct to better ourselves at the expense of others when it comes to subjective cultural norms.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: DonVito
Along the same lines, why would anyone refuse to believe in the Tooth Fairy? If you lose a tooth and you believe, you get a quarter under your pillow, whereas if you don't, you get nothing!

That's true, but a quarter is not quite the same as your soul...

heck no, you can spend the quarter on something material...

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: newParadigm
omg. let it die. I am one of the most devoted people to the christian faith any of you will ever meet, but arguing on an internet forum isn't the right way to spread the message. I have succesfully preached to only one person on any internet forum, and he was already on his way to understanding the truth of scripture. If some one wants to be an atheist sobeit, scripture does sayt "the fool hath said in his heart there is no god", but my continual berading of someone will not change their mind.

Nice subtle condenscension :roll: :laugh:

 

[6StringSamurai]

I have a question to interject for all the wise all knowing religious ones of the board. If, there is a heaven and a hell, and if I choose not to believe, how will my "soul" feel the pain of the fires of "hell" if I lack the necessary nerve receptors and brain power to process that oh so dandy burning sensation?

Proud member of the church of "nonbelievers in religion"

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: 6StringSamurai
I have a question to interject for all the wise all knowing religious ones of the board. If, there is a heaven and a hell, and if I choose not to believe, how will my "soul" feel the pain of the fires of "hell" if I lack the necessary nerve receptors and brain power to process that oh so dandy burning sensation?

Proud member of the church of "nonbelievers in religion"

Jews dont believe in hell.

 

[CKent]

Lol, you people are hilarious. Some dipsh!t teenager hears about Pascal's Wager for the first time and makes a fumbling, stupid thread about it, and you argue for 2 pages and counting... Don't ever change, this is why ATOT is so entertaining :heart: