Go back and read what I said. Originally when I made my post I clearly stated my 680M SLI setup was faster than my current Titan. Then you replied with a useless post full of graphs and speculation while completely missing the point.
Mr. Fox has been generous enough to take time out and benchmark and show 680M SLI performance matching or beating most Titans out there. Some Titans in the right hands will be faster but the original premise was that 680M SLI can match a Titan and it does. Later you brought up 1440p and memory constraints and I said I'd ask a few friends to provide some. Johnksss showed up (since he's the only one with both) and obliged.
His heaven results at 1440p show he's matching a stock Titan already and I doubt he maxed out yet. Your original rant was that a 680M SLI could never match a Titan (or even any high end desktop) and that I was overestimating mobile graphic performance. You completely ignored the fact that I repeatedly told you the 680M SLI had a modified vbios that allowed it to go way above stock performance. You set yourself up to look stupid and are the one who is back pedaling and "shifting goal posts", not me.
To help jog your memory, Adam didn't bring up 1440p originally nor did I compare my 680M SLI to Titan@1440p, I said I needed another Titan FOR 1440p + AA. Big difference there:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34866230&postcount=194
What Adam stated:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34866397&postcount=195
My response:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34867038&postcount=196 " --"No it's actually not. I'm going by real world results, not paper specs. The 680m sli was faster in every game I've tested, especially with the unlocked vbios that allowed some heavy oc with no throttling.
M18x on air, no hard mods:
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9007/p15115.jpg. That score beats
my titan oc score easily.
The best gpu score I can get with an unlocked titan bios on air is 16,9000. It's also slower in games
I've tested."
Notice the bold parts? You realized I was talking about my own testing and when you saw the benchmark score, you immediately shifted to 1440p:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34867170&postcount=197 and this quote is priceless, "Time after time I noticed that you tend to overestimate mobile GPU performance.".
What I wrote in response:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34867258&postcount=199 "I had both the titan and sli 680 and at 1440p the sli 680m is faster when both are overclocked on air."
and finally:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34868658&postcount=208 - "I did already, 1440p but he chose to ignore it. It beat the Titan in BOTH resolutions when I last tested it." And that is indeed the case, in my testing of my Titan vs my old 680M SLI setup (originally at 1080p), even at 1440p (since I began using an external display with my M18x right before selling it) the Titan was proving to be the same speed or in some cases slower. This was especially evident in games like Trine 2 where my Titan throttled down quite a bit on a stock bios or even unlocked bios (until I switched to svl7's unreleased bios).
As far as the posters I mentioned - Rollo had his moments but he also used to purchase ATi hardware and back it up with numbers in many cases. Last I checked Keys was a moderator here so surely AT didn't have much issue with him being a focus group member. And as for BFG10k, he was never biased towards any brand, just had good quality posts.
If there's one good thing that came out of this thread and RS's posts, its that it helped everyone realize how powerful mobile graphics can be. Too many people go by stock reviews (like Russian Sensation) and never bother digging deeper to see what end users are doing with them.
Maybe so. I'll never know for sure because I don't tether my M18x to a desk. I don't have a monitor for it and probably never will. If I needed one, then I would be overclocking a desktop instead. I travel all the time for work, so it's awesome having the highest performance available in a laptop. Apparently, you're speaking based on some sloppy reviews posted on the web. If you have 680M SLI in an Alienware, you would be laughing at 99% of what all reviewers wrote. In almost everything 680M romps all over 7970M. The 7970M only excels at GPUGPU performance.
That's the unfortunate issue and I don't blame RS entirely for that or anyone else. Most reviewers spend a few days with newly released hardware, do some quick canned benchmarks and the move on to the next item in their list to review. AT does a great job with things like phone reviews and while I'm not knocking Jared (he's quite knowledgeable) their laptop reviews fall short.
Once the Titan gets its vBIOS unleashed, I suspect it will be one of the baddest desktop cards available. It's a shame that it is crippled by NVIDIA. It's a shame they do that to any of their cards (680M included). The memory size and speed is off the hook awesome, but that slow core is what is holding it back from greater things.
By the way, at 1080p, I'm seeing average FPS that looks pretty must the same as those graphis that keep reappearing in this thread.
The vbios that our guy is working on has definitely been a game changer. Not just for benchmarks but actual gaming because there are no clock fluctuations any longer and the actual gaming experience is a smoother one. This is something no review site would ever mention because they don't test flashed Titans. It technically voids the warranty but also because many larger sites are using samples that they can't mess with too much. Maybe we should work on a proper Titan review with bios mods?
Would be fun to set it up against 680M SLI just for kicks.
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