Titan Z announced - where are the reviews?

[Galatian]

They priced it at $3k so that a $1000 card like Titan Blk or the next 880Ti or whatever looks not only reasonable but damn near "a bargain".

This. Even accounting for inflation GPU prices have skyrocket.

 

[Whitestar127]

I would never pay such amounts for a card that's going to be obsolete in a few years anyway.

But hey, if you've got the cash then by all means go for it.

 

[3DVagabond]

I would never pay such amounts for a card that's going to be obsolete in a few years anyway.

But hey, if you've got the cash then by all means go for it.

Even if you do have the cash, it's simply not worth it. You can get 780 SLI, a custom water loop, and a Caribbean cruise for the price.

 

[Keysplayr]

It's worth it to somebody, apparently.

 

[3DVagabond]

It's worth it to somebody, apparently.

I wasn't speaking subjectively. Subjectively speaking, anything's possible.

 

[Techhog]

It's worth it to somebody, apparently.

There's a difference between "worth it" and being a fanboy or not knowing better. Maybe if you're rich and you want to use a very specific mATX case and board that prevent you from getting two Titan Blacks?

 

[NIGELG]

It's worth it to somebody, apparently.

Who?

 

[Kenmitch]

It's worth it to somebody, apparently.

Who?

Well looking at the following thread http://www.overclock.net/t/1484155/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z-owners-club

and comparing it to other ones http://www.overclock.net/t/1438886/official-nvidia-gtx-780-ti-owners-club

you'll notice the TitanZ one is a barren wasteland with no listed of owners.

The crazy price of the card kills it as an option for most people. The performance vs the 295x2 kills it for most other potential customers....Only the devoted would be crazy enough to purchase one.

 

[Keysplayr]

I wasn't speaking subjectively. Subjectively speaking, anything's possible.

Doesn't really matter how you were speaking. My comment would have been the same.

Who?

Whoever they priced it for. Obviously Nvidia believes the card is priced where it will sell.

Well looking at the following thread http://www.overclock.net/t/1484155/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z-owners-club

and comparing it to other ones http://www.overclock.net/t/1438886/official-nvidia-gtx-780-ti-owners-club

you'll notice the TitanZ one is a barren wasteland with no listed of owners.

The crazy price of the card kills it as an option for most people. The performance vs the 295x2 kills it for most other potential customers....Only the devoted would be crazy enough to purchase one.

I'm pretty sure that although TitanZ can be used perfectly well for gaming, that we probably shouldn't be looking exclusively at the gaming crowd for evidence of sales. And being that this is primarily a gamers forum, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

There's a difference between "worth it" and being a fanboy or not knowing better. Maybe if you're rich and you want to use a very specific mATX case and board that prevent you from getting two Titan Blacks?

So you're a "If it's not black, it's white" type of person. No biggie. It either has to be "worth it" or "fanboy" to own one. Ok then.

It is worth it to somebody and Nvidia priced it where Nvidia believes those "somebodies" are. Otherwise, they wouldn't have priced it where they did.

 

[el etro]

I think Nvidia will price Gxx04 cards at lower price point and price Gxx10 cards at higher price point.

 

[Techhog]

So you're a "If it's not black, it's white" type of person. No biggie. It either has to be "worth it" or "fanboy" to own one. Ok then.

It is worth it to somebody and Nvidia priced it where Nvidia believes those "somebodies" are. Otherwise, they wouldn't have priced it where they did.

I did mention the one instance where this card is desirable: you're a rich CUDA developer who specifically wants to use two GK110 GPUs in one PCIe slot. That extremely specific instance is the only time you would see someone who isn't a fanboy wanting this. It really is that simple. Nvidia works like Apple does; rather than picking a price point that people want, they pick a price point and then convince people to pay that much.

 

[Grooveriding]

I did mention the one instance where this card is desirable: you're a rich CUDA developer who specifically wants to use two GK110 GPUs in one PCIe slot.

Yeah and that's it. Otherwise the card is basically garbage. Slower and more expensive than numerous other options, whether for gaming or CUDA work.

Is nvidia truly so idiotic that they designed a $3000 card for someone who wants to run CUDA and does not care about getting the best performance for their productivity, but just wants two run two cores in a single PCIE slot ? Definitely not.

They announced the card before 295X2 was announced, marketed it for gaming and gave the $3000 price tag. They were caught with their pants down by the superior performance and half-priced 295X2, along with better thermals. Now TitanZ just looks plain old broke and pointless. It is likely better to just leave it as is and let it die off into obscurity than it is to give it a massive price cut and take that egg on the face.

 

[Spanners]

Whoever they priced it for. Obviously Nvidia believes the card is priced where it will sell.

It is worth it to somebody and Nvidia priced it where Nvidia believes those "somebodies" are. Otherwise, they wouldn't have priced it where they did.

These cards are in my opinion very poor value for money hence peoples "not worth it" comments. I don't see anyone saying that Nvidia priced these cards with the intention of not selling them or that absolutely nobody would buy them. By that definition anything anyone has ever purchased in history has been "worth it to somebody" and we've sidestepped the value for money question altogether.

 

[SirPauly]

Who?

Imho,

Cuda developers or professionals that may appreciate the efficiency for small factor. Boutique system builders -- small factor designs.

When the price-point was offered translated into an extremely small volume, extremely niche target market.

For the gaming market there are other more sensible GK-110 offerings and in reality these are the competitors for the 295x at this time.

 

[NTMBK]

Imho,

Cuda developers or professionals that may appreciate the efficiency for small factor. Boutique system builders -- small factor designs.

Have you seen a professional workstation? We don't care about aesthetics, or compactness. But we certainly do care about burning $1k of budget when we could have got two Titan Blacks with higher performance instead.

 

[NIGELG]

Imho,

Cuda developers or professionals that may appreciate the efficiency for small factor. Boutique system builders -- small factor designs.

When the price-point was offered translated into an extremely small volume, extremely niche target market.

For the gaming market there are other more sensible GK-110 offerings and in reality these are the competitors for the 295x at this time.

Praise must be given where it's due as well as condemnation ...but some people will never condemn a bad product simply because it's from their favourite company.

This card is bad in all ways.

 

[MeldarthX]

Those that keep saying cuda - major problem with it; no ecc memory and no drivers to run most of the cuda programs.....we do a lot of cad here; and that card would be useless to us.

University research possibly; but when you can get two cards that are faster; cheaper.......all around its just a terrible card.

 

[frowertr]

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing people say Cuda developers...

No friggin ECC memory here people. This is not targeting at the developer crowd.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing people say Cuda developers...

No friggin ECC memory here people. This is not targeting at the developer crowd.

Then you must show us where it is written that CUDA development requires ECC memory. I could surely see ECC memory when running super computer calculations under critical conditions, but not development.

 

[PPB]

Then you must show us where it is written that CUDA development requires ECC memory. I could surely see ECC memory when running super computer calculations under critical conditions, but not development.

Lol, are people THAT naive to think you need a Titan grade GPU to be a CUDA developer?

Please, stop trying to justify this product, it makes you look silly. Titan Z is irrelevant for anyone and this includes:

- CUDA developers (they can develop with any kind of CUDA enabled GPU, be it Geforce or Quadro)
- People that need good GPGPU on a budget (they are far better of with 2 Titan Black's)
- Gamers (paying double the price for less performance than a 295x2? Jesus christ)

Heck, it is not even worth's the reviewer's time and money to even review it. Cant anyone see that?? Even JHH admitted this is a product for the most desperate NV fanboys, for anyone else is a hell of a laughable product.

 

[ViRGE]

Then you must show us where it is written that CUDA development requires ECC memory. I could surely see ECC memory when running super computer calculations under critical conditions, but not development.

Bingo. Titan products are a lower tier product for CUDA users and developers who need full speed FP64, but don't need the ECC and cluster capabilities of Tesla. You can't use Titan to build a, uh, Titan, but you can use it for smaller scale work. It's a happy niche between the low FP64 performance of consumer GeForce products and the full feature set and high costs of professional Tesla products.

 

[3DVagabond]

Bingo. Titan products are a lower tier product for CUDA users and developers who need full speed FP64, but don't need the ECC and cluster capabilities of Tesla. You can't use Titan to build a, uh, Titan, but you can use it for smaller scale work. It's a happy niche between the low FP64 performance of consumer GeForce products and the full feature set and high costs of professional Tesla products.

You're forgetting 2x Titan-Black Same performance $1000 less.

 

[NTMBK]

Bingo. Titan products are a lower tier product for CUDA users and developers who need full speed FP64, but don't need the ECC and cluster capabilities of Tesla. You can't use Titan to build a, uh, Titan, but you can use it for smaller scale work. It's a happy niche between the low FP64 performance of consumer GeForce products and the full feature set and high costs of professional Tesla products.

Titan certainly fills that niche nicely. Titan Z? God no.

 

[Keysplayr]

You're forgetting 2x Titan-Black Same performance $1000 less.

Nothing in ViRGE's post indicates that he has forgotten anything.

 

[SirPauly]

Lol, are people THAT naive to think you need a Titan grade GPU to be a CUDA developer?

Please, stop trying to justify this product, it makes you look silly. Titan Z is irrelevant for anyone and this includes:

- CUDA developers (they can develop with any kind of CUDA enabled GPU, be it Geforce or Quadro)
- People that need good GPGPU on a budget (they are far better of with 2 Titan Black's)
- Gamers (paying double the price for less performance than a 295x2? Jesus christ)

Heck, it is not even worth's the reviewer's time and money to even review it. Cant anyone see that?? Even JHH admitted this is a product for the most desperate NV fanboys, for anyone else is a hell of a laughable product.

Titan Black and Titan Z were silent launches!

Cuda with double precision

The CEO comments at launch at GTC:

A summary:

"What we have learned it appears researchers are using this for doing Cuda research, where there is maybe machine learning, developing software on it. And the reason for that is this is a supercomputer you can buy in retail.

We see a lot of researchers using this product and we see a lot of design and artists using this product. Finally, the vast majority of Adobe's Creative Suite is accelerated by GPU and if you're editing or making a 4k video, making a commercial, making a home movie, using a GPU in your system, really, really changes the way, the type of things you can do."


Higher price, imho:

To balance their pricing so not to cannibalize their other double precision sku's.