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Titan X Launch
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wand3r3r
Diamond Member
[h] took an interesting approach, pushing VRAM to the extreme.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/03/17/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_x_video_card_preview/1
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/03/17/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_x_video_card_preview/1
DownTheSky
Senior member
This is actually surprisingly spot-on.
Elixer
Lifer
Oh, you are doing a free giveaway of your old card? I'll take it off your hands, you have suffered enough with it. 🙂
I assume you got your new GPU off the nivdia site, if so, did they give an actual ship date?
ShintaiDK
Lifer
It is a Geforce.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-titan-x
Geforce GTX Titan X.
Techspot doesn't give powerdraw figures for overclocked card. If someone's present there, ask them to report on it too.
And i don't see many people fussing about close to 300W of power draw/ i.e., almost the same as 290x. However, when a 390x was reported to do the same, it was untenable, unacceptable and so on.
Annisman*
Golden Member
No ship date, actually they haven't e-mailed me an order reciept or anything yet, but they got right on top of charging my card ! 😛
If anything is being given away it will be my old Titan, my bro can have the 980.
Pneumothorax
Golden Member
It shouldn't be Titan though, a more fitting name is 980Ti, but I don't think Nvidia would've gotten away with the pricing as easily as when they named it Titan instead.
I almost wish AMD did a paper launch anyway as it would keep many of the early adopters at bay to wait for the 390x.
96Firebird
Diamond Member
Where do you see the card pulling close to 300W?
Even Tom's, with their overly complicated method of measuring power, only got 233W during gaming, and 251W with their torture test...
AntonioHG
Senior member
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/17
It's above the 290x in system power consumption when OC'd.
It's above the 290x in system power consumption when OC'd.
swilli89
Golden Member
Why even give people the "But its OC'd!" ammunition?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/16
Consumes 10-20% more than a 290x stock vs stock.
96Firebird
Diamond Member
Interesting, most reviews show the Titan X using less power than the 290X (both when using system power consumption as well as card power consumption). I'll keep looking around...
no point in getting this, the smart thing to do is to wait for 390x. 390x doesn't need to beat it's performance, it just needs to be within 5% and price around 700 to make titan x look like a stupid purchase. 290x made titan looked stupid when it came to gaming performance, I honestly don't understand why anyone would buy another titan 😕 unless you are a prosumer, but titan x isn't a prosumer product.
300$ for 3 months of bragging rights? money is money, use it for something better.
$300 isn't even a real GPU. It would die gasping at 1080p with settings upped.
RussianSensation
Elite Member
Seems like a money grab for bragging rights.
1) Consumer version of GM200 should have more TDP headroom for higher clock speeds due to less VRAM. Also, NV can bin the best GM200s over time. We could be looking at 1.5 years away until Pascal in Q3 2016 which means there is plenty of time to launch a higher clocked version of consumer GM200.
2) After-market open air cards from AIBs with better components should come with faster clocks than 1.075Ghz and have better/more consistent overclocking headroom.
3) Lack of DP performance implies one could almost call this a 780Ti successor but NV raised the price from $699 to $999, but stuck with the Titan name. Talk about a marketing inconsistency. 🙄 The premium for 12GB of VRAM is hardly justified for gaming.
4) As many of us have criticized the stock Titan / Titan Black cooler in the past, Titan X proves that the blower design is just not good enough. The noise levels are similar to a 290X and once overclocked, it's way too loud. It seems it's going to be impossible to achieve a good balance of overclocked performance and noise levels with the stock Titan X cooler.
Sorry, but blowers are dinosaurs for 250W TDP cards. For such cards, open air after-market coolers and/or AIO CLC are by far the superior solutions for getting top performance and great noise levels. Titan X cements this.
I think NV should have just released a 1.18-1.22Ghz GM200 6GB card and allowed AIBs to work their magic. The Titan X seems like it's not a proper GM200 card. Also, it seems this time the 390X has a legitimate shot at being faster and costing less. If 390X is $700, for those on 4K and buying 2-3, the difference in price would grow to $600-900 which is a steep premium for 3 months bragging rights imo.
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price is really high, and they are not even ashamed anymore (they had the DP excuse for the old Titans), still a great performer, but the lack of competition is sad, remember the Titan Z? it was killed by the 295 X2, that's what the Titan X needs... some 390X close enough in performance and significantly cheaper.
but Nvidia probably knows from Titan/Black that they can sell many $1K cards for gamers, or they wouldn't be doing this (I think), so we can't complain?
anyway, Nvidia should release a 6GB version as soon as possible, but I guess the 6GB version will be called 980 Ti (or used for a new series for the DX12 launch?) and have some other stuff (TMUs, SPs) disabled...
but Nvidia probably knows from Titan/Black that they can sell many $1K cards for gamers, or they wouldn't be doing this (I think), so we can't complain?
anyway, Nvidia should release a 6GB version as soon as possible, but I guess the 6GB version will be called 980 Ti (or used for a new series for the DX12 launch?) and have some other stuff (TMUs, SPs) disabled...
Silverforce11
Lifer
Titan X is basically a 780ti in terms of power use (225-250W depending on sites) and noise profile. It's got a 15-20% OC headroom from its default boost. The problem with pushing high OC is exactly as I thought in the other post: the cooler is not capable, it becomes very noisy and is the major limiting factor, I bet sustained performance will drop over a longer play session that's not a short benchmark as well.
This is a mistake from NV for not allowing custom AIB models with their much superior coolers. Under an open air cooler, Titan X would be a killer card, imagine 1.55ghz boost, running cool and quieter.
So, ~33% perf increase with slightly worse power increase over the 980 (to 780ti level)!! 50% extra resources never scale linearly when the memory subsystem isn't changed (which per AT's review, it's basically big GM204) to keep those cores fed with high uptime.
What I think we will see in the future, with driver updates to better optimize core usage, we'll see Titan X reach 45-50% faster than 980. This is a "future-proof" card for multi-GPU users due to its potential for more perf gains as well as 12gb vram.
Perf/w is worse than 980, which is a surprise given that this is a DP neutered, "full gaming" Big Maxwell. Perhaps the difference comes down to the extra 8GB vram? It may be so, 5-10W extra skews Perf/w by 10% easily. So in fact its likely to be the same efficiency minus the ram.
This is a mistake from NV for not allowing custom AIB models with their much superior coolers. Under an open air cooler, Titan X would be a killer card, imagine 1.55ghz boost, running cool and quieter.
So, ~33% perf increase with slightly worse power increase over the 980 (to 780ti level)!! 50% extra resources never scale linearly when the memory subsystem isn't changed (which per AT's review, it's basically big GM204) to keep those cores fed with high uptime.
What I think we will see in the future, with driver updates to better optimize core usage, we'll see Titan X reach 45-50% faster than 980. This is a "future-proof" card for multi-GPU users due to its potential for more perf gains as well as 12gb vram.
Perf/w is worse than 980, which is a surprise given that this is a DP neutered, "full gaming" Big Maxwell. Perhaps the difference comes down to the extra 8GB vram? It may be so, 5-10W extra skews Perf/w by 10% easily. So in fact its likely to be the same efficiency minus the ram.
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Silverforce11
Lifer
They didn't show the result of running 8 x MSAA though, its a slideshow, irrelevant. Pushing vram for the sake of it is stupid, [H] has dropped in quality?
They even did this:
"Amazing performance and efficiency strikes again. These wattage numbers are full system wattages taken at the wall. Our average performance increase at 1440p and 4K was 33% over the GeForce GTX 980. Consider above that the power increase is only 21% at full-load to achieve this.
All of this is also contained in the same video card size package as the GeForce GTX 980, no size differences, no exotic cooling differences needed."
.. like duh, it would be less % when using TOTAL SYSTEM power. Even took a swipe at the upcoming 390X with "no exotic cooling"..
Their own readers on forums are taking note of how bias they have become of late, pushing more GameWorks into their tests and endlessly bashing/blaming AMD for lack of CF support in NV games! Yeah, nice one guys. Even Tomshardware is more respectable!
Cookie Monster
Diamond Member
Even the Titan Z type open air cooler would have worked wonders here *if* people were looking to overclock (fan centered in the card). No need for a CLC at this point in time.
Silverforce11
Lifer
Even 300W is easily cooled by open air coolers, heck even 450W.
But definitely that blower makes it a poor buy IMO because OC is basically a non-factor given how loud it becomes. Anything near R290X reference loud is not tolerable (its why I slapped water on mine).
As a 980ti with AIB custom designs, GM200 would have been awesome.
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