titan black ed question

[Anarchist420]

anyone think that new, non-OC'd ones with the reference PCB and cooler that they are using now will be able to be bought 8 months from now at $999.99? i wont have the money until some time around then. i heard that they wont be making many and that they are supposed to sell out.

man, i hate that patents drive up costs and that they reduce creativity.

 

[f1sherman]

Now that they have established $1000 product and demand from compute/rendering enthusiasts is present,
Titan is here to stay.

I see no reason to jack up the prices on mature 28nm.

 

[Wall Street]

I wouldn't be surprised if $999 gets you a 20-nm maxwell-based Titan II within the next year.

 

[Headfoot]

man, i hate that patents drive up costs and that they reduce creativity.

This statement is completely unfounded in fact and has literally NOTHING to do with why the Titan Black is $1k. This is incredibly ignorant of the specific reasoning for Titan card and for patents generally.

The Titan cards are Tesla lite or Gaming+. They have full double precision and 6GB of RAM. It's simple market segmentation, and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with patent. Those are the only differences from a 780 Ti

 

[Shmee]

I wonder if it is possible to unlock to a titan black from a 780ti, just without the RAM gain obviously? That would be kinda cool, gain some dbl precision power.

 

[Anarchist420]

I wonder if it is possible to unlock to a titan black from a 780ti, just without the RAM gain obviously? That would be kinda cool, gain some dbl precision power.

i wish i heard that nvidia put a fuse in all GK110s that cripples performance if the card configures itself as a non-titan. it is probably something like the ASIC reading.

This statement is completely unfounded in fact and has literally NOTHING to do with why the Titan Black is $1k. This is incredibly ignorant of the specific reasoning for Titan card and for patents generally. The Titan cards are Tesla lite or Gaming+. They have full double precision and 6GB of RAM. It's simple market segmentation, and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with patent. Those are the only differences from a 780 Ti

i dont see nvidia how wouldnt be more likely to have competent competition if it werent for patents.

same goes with intel except only intel is even worse. it would be sweet if they had competition because their products have been way overpriced and not as good as they could've been. think about how much they spend on IP attorneys, management, and lobbyists for IP... that is what costs people most when they buy intel products.

they didnt use a better process node for the Z87 PCH (wouldve been a good idea because it doesnt run anywhere close to as as cool as the P67 B3 did) as well as the fact that they arent doing fluxless solder anymore indicates that theyre shielded from competition which indicates that they benefit from ip.

haswell was nowhere near as good as it couldve been jank runs hot meaning limited overclocking. the L3 cache doesnt even run at the same speed as the core does. i realize IPC was increased, but it couldve been increased a whole lot more had they used fluxless solder. and they failed to use DDR4.

 

[NTMBK]

haswell was nowhere near as good as it couldve been jank runs hot meaning limited overclocking. the L3 cache doesnt even run at the same speed as the core does. i realize IPC was increased, but it couldve been increased a whole lot more had they used fluxless solder. and they failed to use DDR4.

Intel doesn't care about top end clocks any more. They wanted to get Haswell's battery life way up, and they wanted to cram loads of cores into server CPUs. High clocked enthusiast desktops just aren't a big money spinner. As long as they keep offering something better than AMD, Intel knows that they're fine.

 

[Headfoot]

i wish i heard that nvidia put a fuse in all GK110s that cripples performance if the card configures itself as a non-titan. it is probably something like the ASIC reading.
i dont see nvidia how wouldnt be more likely to have competent competition if it werent for patents.

same goes with intel except only intel is even worse. it would be sweet if they had competition because their products have been way overpriced and not as good as they could've been. think about how much they spend on IP attorneys, management, and lobbyists for IP... that is what costs people most when they buy intel products.

they didnt use a better process node for the Z87 PCH (wouldve been a good idea because it doesnt run anywhere close to as as cool as the P67 B3 did) as well as the fact that they arent doing fluxless solder anymore indicates that theyre shielded from competition which indicates that they benefit from ip.

haswell was nowhere near as good as it couldve been jank runs hot meaning limited overclocking. the L3 cache doesnt even run at the same speed as the core does. i realize IPC was increased, but it couldve been increased a whole lot more had they used fluxless solder. and they failed to use DDR4.

Simple, if you have no manner of protecting multibillion dollar investments you do not make them in the first place. Regardless of your view, patents do in fact encourage investment in innovation in practice in a great many industries, but they can simultaneously discourage innovation where they are too easy to obtain or cover too much activity. As it turns out patent is an incredibly complicated issue and blanket statements like the one you made are just flat out wrong. The world is not so simple. Saying patents are flat out bad for innovation sounds an awful lot like when adolescents claim they have life all figured out. I do not doubt you believe that but it is so very much more complex than that...

 

[digitaldurandal]

i wish i heard that nvidia put a fuse in all GK110s that cripples performance if the card configures itself as a non-titan. it is probably something like the ASIC reading.
i dont see nvidia how wouldnt be more likely to have competent competition if it werent for patents.

same goes with intel except only intel is even worse. it would be sweet if they had competition because their products have been way overpriced and not as good as they could've been. think about how much they spend on IP attorneys, management, and lobbyists for IP... that is what costs people most when they buy intel products.

they didnt use a better process node for the Z87 PCH (wouldve been a good idea because it doesnt run anywhere close to as as cool as the P67 B3 did) as well as the fact that they arent doing fluxless solder anymore indicates that theyre shielded from competition which indicates that they benefit from ip.

haswell was nowhere near as good as it couldve been jank runs hot meaning limited overclocking. the L3 cache doesnt even run at the same speed as the core does. i realize IPC was increased, but it couldve been increased a whole lot more had they used fluxless solder. and they failed to use DDR4.

There are some cases that I agree with you. There is a patent for a few lines of code to calculate a shadow. It is ridiculous to have an algorithm itself patented. It is simple mathematics and not a discovery at all.

However you are way off base here. Intel and Nvidia would not be around without patents. There is a simple reason why. If they work for years to create engineer chips with BILLIONS of transistors and another company can just look at it under a scope and recreate it then sell it for cheaper because they did nearly no R&D work the market for these products would fail.

Think about it - they have to pay for the R&D, the marketing, the production line by selling the product itself - they cannot do that if another company can come in and just sell a copy without taking on those other costs.

Your complaint about fluxless welding is noted - however the market just is not there for it and honestly I think the impact is far overblown. I hit 5.0ghz on my 2500k. There currently is not anything that needs more and in 99% of applications it is overkill by about 40%.