Tires. PITA.

[Fenixgoon]

don't forget that places like sears include mounting and balancing in the price usually (and often have buy 3 get 4th free). you will have to have pay for mounting/balancing separately if you get tires from online places. if you plan on DIY, then it's a non-issue. just an FYI

 

[jlee]

don't forget that places like sears include mounting and balancing in the price usually (and often have buy 3 get 4th free). you will have to have pay for mounting/balancing separately if you get tires from online places. if you plan on DIY, then it's a non-issue. just an FYI

I don't know anyone who can DIY mounting & balancing...I couldn't justify the cost of the equipment myself

 

[Fenixgoon]

I don't know anyone who can DIY mounting & balancing...I couldn't justify the cost of the equipment myself

the military base i work on has a auto shop.. it's like $10 to do mounting/balancing for all of your tires.

but yeah, most people aren't going to own or have access to such equipment

 

[sdifox]

I was going to go with the P4s since the last two sets of tires on my car have been Pirelli P400s, but they aren't as good as I'd hoped. I compared the P4s against Yokohama Avid Envigors, and the Yokohama's were user rated better than the Pirelli's and Tire Rack's testing rated them better as well.

But you are not getting Yoko EnVigors. You are getting Hankooks...

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I got my last batch from eBay. Very cheap. Most shops make good money selling valve stems. Even Wal-mart charges like $2 for each one when you can get them for $.50 or less.

i think my shop last time reused my old valves. is that possible?

 

[MJinZ]

Gotta get 4 new tires. 185-65-R14.

Looking at Hankook Optimo H727.

Sears wants somewhere around $385 including install. Tirerack wants like $292.78 with shipping included. Typical charges for wheel installs are $20-$30 per tire.

Sears is more likely to do a shitty job than a shop, or so I would think, but who knows.

Maybe just get different tires, idk. These seem to be the best tire for the category they're in.

What-to-do?

LOLPOSKoreanTires

 

[Kaervak]

But you are not getting Yoko EnVigors. You are getting Hankooks...

Que? Hankook is South Korean and Yokohama is Japanese. The Yokohama's I'm getting are made here in the US and Hankook doesn't have US manufacturing plants, Yokohama does.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Good lord, are those tires made of unicorn skin or something? For the Yokohama tires I just bought, after a price match and mail in rebate all four will cost me $250 (not mounted.) Man, tires are getting really expensive.

Heck, my Michelin Xi2s and Bridgestone Pole Positions both cost me ~$600 / set (235/55/R17)
OP : Sears, Sam's and Walmart can be alright. Bought both my sets at Sam's and they did a good job.

 

[Saga]

I can't help but laugh a little at these threads when the tires on my truck are $410 EACH, excluding mounting, balancing, TPMS, etc..

I'd kill for a half a grand install of four tires.

 

[sdifox]

Que? Hankook is South Korean and Yokohama is Japanese. The Yokohama's I'm getting are made here in the US and Hankook doesn't have US manufacturing plants, Yokohama does.

Mea culpa. Don't know why I confused you with op.


<=== Loving my EnVigors.

 

[Kaervak]

Mea culpa. Don't know why I confused you with op.


<=== Loving my EnVigors.

Ah gotcha.

Good to hear about the Envigors. I've been a Pirelli guy for years, but the ratings the Envigors received from TireRack made me switch. They'll be getting delivered Monday and I should have them mounted within the week. Going for a road force balance this time too, should be interesting to see if there's much/any difference from regular balancing.

 

[Arkaign]

You know I think 14" are a lot less common than they once were. There was a time during the 80s to 90s era where TONS of cars used 14" as OEM size, from Civics to Accords to Tauruses to you name it. Almost all generic passenger cars used 14" as the stock size, with a few cars having 15" or larger. I expected the 14" tire price to be a lot less, but it's really about the same price if not more than today's common base size : 15", and the selection for 14" tires seems to be pretty bad.

 

[TridenT]

lolposkoreantires

lolhighestratedtiresontireracklolololandnumber4inconsumerreportsandisonlybehindtiresthatcost30dollarsmoreeachlololol

 

[Pariah]

lolhighestratedtiresontireracklolololandnumber4inconsumerreportsandisonlybehindtiresthatcost30dollarsmoreeachlololol

Yup, not really sure what the hate on Hankook is about:

Nine Affordable Summer Tires Take On the Michelin PS2 - Comparison Tests

2nd place

"In the wet, however, the V12s were as sporty and connected as they come, with grip second only to the PS2s&#8217; and the best braking. The Hankooks were extremely consistent, likely because they were so well-behaved, which made them easy to drive quickly. Subjectively, they felt the best around the track, even though their time trailed slightly behind the Dunlops&#8217;."

Reality isn't important though when it is much easier to pick a country and hate everything they make.

 

[Bignate603]

Yup, not really sure what the hate on Hankook is about:

Nine Affordable Summer Tires Take On the Michelin PS2 - Comparison Tests

2nd place

"In the wet, however, the V12s were as sporty and connected as they come, with grip second only to the PS2s’ and the best braking. The Hankooks were extremely consistent, likely because they were so well-behaved, which made them easy to drive quickly. Subjectively, they felt the best around the track, even though their time trailed slightly behind the Dunlops’."

Reality isn't important though when it is much easier to pick a country and hate everything they make.

I don't think it has anything to do with Hankook being Korean, it has more to do with what Fleabag has said about Korean engineers, tire inflation and fuel economy in the past. Take a look at Sdifox's sig if you aren't familiar with Fleabag's past comments on it.

 

[MJinZ]

lolhighestratedtiresontireracklolololandnumber4inconsumerreportsandisonlybehindtiresthatcost30dollarsmoreeachlololol

Those Korean tires will fuck you over in the long run when they die in 10,000 miles. Oh God, I almost can not WAIT for your next post here when they wear out hahahahahha.

Tires shops only take one brand really seriously - Michelin (French, strangely enough).

The rest are decent or good, like the Japanese (Bridgestone, Yokohama) and other European (Conti, Pirellis etc). I would not even bother with the American Goodyears and Firestones, they haven't made any cream of the crop as far as I know, but then I don't look at 14" tires.

Personally, I will be getting Contis or Yokohamas in a few weeks as my car will not pass inspection one tire that has cords showing (nail in it, ran under pressure for too long). Would love another $1000 set of Michelins but I think I will go a bit cheaper this time.

 

[jlee]

Tires shops only take one brand really seriously - Michelin (French, strangely enough).

LOL, ok.

Bridgestone Blizzak? Nokian Hakkapeliitta? BF Goodrich All Terrain / Mud Terrain? Dunlop Direzza Sport Star Spec? Falken Azeni? Hakkapeliittas are pretty much THE snow tire. Star Specs are a favorite among autocrossers who want a street/race tire. I could go on, but there's no need.

Maybe you go to expensive tire shops. /shrug

 

[Fenixgoon]

Those Korean tires will fuck you over in the long run when they die in 10,000 miles. Oh God, I almost can not WAIT for your next post here when they wear out hahahahahha.

Tires shops only take one brand really seriously - Michelin (French, strangely enough).

The rest are decent or good, like the Japanese (Bridgestone, Yokohama) and other European (Conti, Pirellis etc). I would not even bother with the American Goodyears and Firestones, they haven't made any cream of the crop as far as I know, but then I don't look at 14" tires.

Personally, I will be getting Contis or Yokohamas in a few weeks as my car will not pass inspection one tire that has cords showing (nail in it, ran under pressure for too long). Would love another $1000 set of Michelins but I think I will go a bit cheaper this time.

fleabag v2.0?

not that i'm a tire afficianado, but the only tires i know that are really *the* best are the PS2's, but it's not like you're going to put those on a civic

 

[MJinZ]

LOL, ok.

Bridgestone Blizzak? Nokian Hakkapeliitta? BF Goodrich All Terrain / Mud Terrain? Dunlop Direzza Sport Star Spec? Falken Azeni? Hakkapeliittas are pretty much THE snow tire. Star Specs are a favorite among autocrossers who want a street/race tire. I could go on, but there's no need.

Maybe you go to expensive tire shops. /shrug

/Do not care about A/T Tires

/I go to reputable good shops

/Everything else you listed like the Dunlop is still a POS compared to the best

 

[sdifox]

Ah gotcha.

Good to hear about the Envigors. I've been a Pirelli guy for years, but the ratings the Envigors received from TireRack made me switch. They'll be getting delivered Monday and I should have them mounted within the week. Going for a road force balance this time too, should be interesting to see if there's much/any difference from regular balancing.

I used to run Yoko Advan Sports. Very nice but boy they are good for like one season. And given the mileage I put in, and the speeds I drive at, I can't justify the Advan Sports. Then the EnVigors showed up and everyone likes them so I figured, give it a try. At least it will last longer.

<=== put in 57k km in 21 month.

 

[jlee]

/Do not care about A/T Tires

/I go to reputable good shops

/Everything else you listed like the Dunlop is still a POS compared to the best

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...sts/dunlop_direzza_sport_z1_star_spec_page_11

It took only a matter of seconds on the dry autocross to realize the Dunlop Star Specs were strong tires. Both the Dunlops and the Kumhos felt head and shoulders above the other tires, including the benchmark Michelin PS2s. We were impressed with how the Star Specs have huge grip that is available immediately, even before they warm up, which lends credence to Dunlop marketing them as autocross tires.

Behold, your mighty king has been dethroned.

 

[Capt Caveman]

/do not care about a/t tires

/i go to reputable good shops

/everything else you listed like the dunlop is still a pos compared to the best

lol.

 

[MJinZ]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...sts/dunlop_direzza_sport_z1_star_spec_page_11



Behold, your mighty king has been dethroned.

OMG they *feel* better.

The quality of a tire is more important than skid pad. I was not aware we were talking about grip or handling in this thread about 14" shitty tires.

 

[jlee]

OMG they *feel* better.

The quality of a tire is more important than skid pad. I was not aware we were talking about grip or handling in this thread about 14" shitty tires.

And yet you say that Michelin is the best...in a thread about 14" tires.

You're almost as good as fleabag.

 

[CraigRT]

This hard on for Michelin is mind boggling.. They are generally overpriced shit that is all the same as the next brand.

Not on my car thanks....