beloved patriot is not a derogatory term for white people. It was merely a word for Hispanics to refer to white people without white people knowing they were being referred to. Here look at some of the history behind the word http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/beloved patriot.
Throckmorton
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SacrosanctFiend
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Right, because the word 'the' has no other purpose than to create double meaning. Oh wait, an acceptable place for 'the' happens to be before a modifying adjective.
I'm done with this thread. /
DivideBYZero
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Train wreck thread full of morons who think it's OK because:
1) They are acting dumb and claiming to not see the use of Wet Backs is clearly used in the context related to South American immigrants.
2) It's 'OK' to rag on Hispanics.
3) People are closed minded bigots most of the time.
If the car ad was worded properly it should have been, 'Tired of a wet back???'. Using 'The' clearly addresses a group, not an individual or an individual experience, which having a wet back in a car can only ever be.
Twenty blinkered dipshits will disagree with me and nit pick my post after this, but it won't change a thing. It was a deliberate use of a political hot potato to sell cars. Pretty fucking sad.
1) They are acting dumb and claiming to not see the use of Wet Backs is clearly used in the context related to South American immigrants.
2) It's 'OK' to rag on Hispanics.
3) People are closed minded bigots most of the time.
If the car ad was worded properly it should have been, 'Tired of a wet back???'. Using 'The' clearly addresses a group, not an individual or an individual experience, which having a wet back in a car can only ever be.
Twenty blinkered dipshits will disagree with me and nit pick my post after this, but it won't change a thing. It was a deliberate use of a political hot potato to sell cars. Pretty fucking sad.
My understanding is that it's a reference to the sweaty back you see on someone doing manual labor, ie if you look at someone doing yard work they normally have a spot on their back soaked. I don't think it was ever a term for those that crossed the rio grande only, rather all Mexicans.
It doesn't really matter, though. What matters is it IS as offensive to Hispanics as those other words are and it's obvious that the ad intended to use the term in that way.
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Can I ask a serious question? Where does the term "beautiful ray of sunshine" come from? Does it have to do with boatloads of foreigners swimming to get to the United States?
And then the word beloved patriot. I've always wondered is that just as derogatory to a white person as beautiful ray of sunshine is to a Hispanic person?
As far as the original topic, frickin ridiculous that there were complaints about the words "Wet Backs" when they were not being used in a derogatory manner at all. It reminds me of the school teacher who used the word, niggardly, (an adjective meaning "stingy" or "miserly") and got reprimanded and told she had to attend sensitivity training.
Niggardly isn't that common of a word used in today's mainstream vocabulary. Sure it wouldnt be offensive in an SAT test or something, but you can't see that it would confuse some people? How old was the classroom that she was address, if this was college I wouldn't see a problem but younger kids I wouldn't expect a classroom to understand. If jewardly was an old English word that meant stingy, you don't think that would be offensive. People are ignorant, so do your best to not offend.
moshquerade
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well, i never use it, but i just didn't think it had as severe a negative connotation to it as the N-bomb.
Sidenote: My sister-in-law is Mexican. She has called me a beloved patriot before, complained about my "beloved patriot music". I just took it in jest, but she is VERY sensitive to anyone saying anything even remotely insulting about her nationality. The door really shouldn't just swing one way.
JulesMaximus
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FTR-I never said it was okay. Just wanted to point that out.
It was really a stupid thing to put in an advertisement.
mugs
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I was worried when I made my post about the word "the" that I'd be attacked for nitpicking about insignificant words, like Bill Clinton questioning what the definition of the word "is" is. I'm glad that someone else has enough familiarity with the English language to recognize that the word was out of place. It always amazes me how many people choose to be blind and ignorant in threads about racism. It's as if people refuse to accept that racism still exists.
moshquerade
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you have proved once again that you are a total retard.
1) who is acting dumb? i, for one, was asking sincere questions about the word(s), and trying to get some honest answers.
2) No one in this thread is even remotely saying it's 'OK' to rag on Hispanics
3) You are doing nothing but trying to stir the pot with that ill thought out comment
Call me a beloved patriot, and I'll call you a beloved patriot or a beautiful ray of sunshine. Same for a person who calls me a cracker, they'll get a racial insult back. My fiancee is hispanic, and I warned her that if any of her family calls me a beloved patriot, they'll get it right back in their face. Everyone in the south knows a beloved patriot is a white person, so your little bullshit sentence of "It was merely a word for Hispanics to refer to white people without white people knowing they were being referred to." is such crap.
moshquerade
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alright, i understand. thanks for your point of view.
(you didn't answer my question about beloved patriot though)
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Mosh, you're one of my favorite posters here, so I'll ask you seriously: You really don't know the origin of that term?
And for that matter, did wikipedia really say it was swimming the river or whatever? Good lord, I've gotta promise myself never to go there again.
beautiful ray of sunshine is derogatory for the same reason calling blacks "cotton pickers" was (used to be a huge no-no, now no one does it cause the N word is so popular), and calling poor white laborers "rednecks", because all three referred to the menial labor that these social/ethnic groups used to perform (with the inference that that's all they were good for). Wet back is simply descriptive of the wet back that these latino laborers got after a hard day in the sun, doing manual labor for a pittance. It was one step removed from the slavery inference of "cotton pickers", and just below "rednecks" because that group was still white.
People do understand the origin of "redneck", right? Ever been out in the sun, bent over in the garden without a hat or SPF 45?
For those of you who think this was an innocent mistake (like the person who wrote it was unaware of the meaning) - PUHLEASE. I'll buy that it was a poor taste joke that was never meant to go out, but no way did the guy not know what he was doing.
DivideBYZero
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MotionMan
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In looking at the ad, I do not think that Hispanics should get offended. However, given the current state of the PC world, the author should have known that he was going to catch hell for the ad.
There is plenty of stupid to go around on this one.
MotionMan
There is plenty of stupid to go around on this one.
MotionMan
moshquerade
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I really didn't know. (I suppose I could have looked it up, but I chose to ask here). I really did think it had to do with getting their backs wet while trying to swim to the U.S. Honestly.
Why would a guy put that in an ad if he meant it as derogatory to Hispanics? That's plain ignorant, and he might as well just have went out and shot himself in the foot instead.
CrackRabbit
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While I agree with you Mosh. I grew up in Texas, and have heard this phrase to refer to Hispanics quite often and always with a degree of prejudice.
To think that no one bothered to consider that the use of the term at all in any manner, especially where there is a fairly large Hispanic population, would offend someone is naive.
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