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MrsBugi

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I recommend wandering around both the Lourvre and Notre Dame on your own. I did so myself when I was in Paris earlier this year, had an amazing time, and met some fascinating people.

I would also recommend going to the other "Must-See's:" Sacre Cour, the Arc du Triumph, Eiffel tower, and Versailles.

The subway is very straightforward and easy-to-learn, I would buy a weekly/monthly pass so that you can ride without worry.

Have an amazing time! :)
 

MrsBugi

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***OFF-TOPIC POLITICAL NOTE***

The country of France is now officially on the USA's "black list" for its stance in the Iraq situation (against it). Meaning, if you are trying to obtain a security clearance and you have relatives who are French/from France, is it highly likely you will be denied/delayed it. So unfortunate. :(

***/OFF-TOPIC POLITICAL NOTE***
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: MrsBugi
***OFF-TOPIC POLITICAL NOTE***

The country of France is now officially on the USA's "black list" for its stance in the Iraq situation (against it). Meaning, if you are trying to obtain a security clearance and you have relatives who are French/from France, is it highly likely you will be denied/delayed it. So unfortunate. :(

***/OFF-TOPIC POLITICAL NOTE***

Funny... half the US Navys Ports of Call for the 6th fleet are in France...

if they are so blacklisted why do we still pull into French ports =P
Toulon, Marseilles, Cannes, Nice, Monaco... hmm doesnt make much sence to let all our security cleared men run around drinking beer and spending US Money in a Blacklisted area =P

 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: MixMasterTang
Originally posted by: Homerboy
truth... but the French hate everyone pretty equally.. they treat everyone like crap.. but Americans x2..

They were nothing but nice to my wife and I....

I've never had a single problem with anyone being rude to me while I was there either. I think most people speak from speculation and not from experience.

Well being that I've been to France 7 times in 10 years and multiple cities thanks to the good old US taxpayer... US Navy... Spent 20 days in Marseilles over Christmas and new years in 89 also spent 14 days in Toulon and Cannes and Nice... on multiple occasions

French were rude and snooty to everyone..
Even away from the Port cities where people didnt know we were US Military people were still rude when they heard us speak in english.
I have been to 34 countries in my travels and France and its people were by far the most rude of anywhere.. (except NY City that is)

I do speak from experience...

 

Syringer

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Originally posted by: IBuyUFO
I was in Paris and they're very nice to Americans. Most of the stores and restaurants can speak English unless you go out to the boonies. What most people tell you here are from their ignorance and stereotypes. Don't listen to them.
The best way to get around in Paris is with their underground transportation. It's very easy to go from one place to another and trains are never too far behind each other.
In terms of the museum you don't need a tour guide at all. The louve is huge and you can expect yourself to spend a day in there. I got tired of walking around and left that place in a few hours.
It's always a good idea to carry your valuables in your front pocket or some other pocket that is not easily accessible from the back. A money belt would be good to carry your passport, id, credit cards and money. When we were in Paris we didn't have any problems at all walking at night.

What I say is from my first hand experience and travels.

Stereotypes exist for a reason, and Parisians are the least polite of any major European city that I was in.

You don't even have to talk to anyone to notice it, just walk around the streets for a few minutes. You can't go 2 seconds without hearing cars honking and drivers exhibiting road rage. Compare this to London, Munich, Madrid, etc.. where you don't hear any honking at all, except for the most extreme of situations..

Even on the metros, people would enter the trains before everyone got off on a much more regular basis than any of the other major cities that I was in..Of course to each his own.

Having said that though I did enjoy my Paris/France experience very much, thought it had some of the most amazing sights of any place that I've ever been in, and would gladly return one day..
 

Syringer

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: MixMasterTang
Originally posted by: Homerboy
truth... but the French hate everyone pretty equally.. they treat everyone like crap.. but Americans x2..

They were nothing but nice to my wife and I....

I've never had a single problem with anyone being rude to me while I was there either. I think most people speak from speculation and not from experience.

Well being that I've been to France 7 times in 10 years and multiple cities thanks to the good old US taxpayer... US Navy... Spent 20 days in Marseilles over Christmas and new years in 89 also spent 14 days in Toulon and Cannes and Nice... on multiple occasions

French were rude and snooty to everyone..
Even away from the Port cities where people didnt know we were US Military people were still rude when they heard us speak in english.
I have been to 34 countries in my travels and France and its people were by far the most rude of anywhere.. (except NY City that is)

I do speak from experience...

:thumbsup:

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saymyname

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Originally posted by: freesia39
actually i'll be in paris starting the... 23rd but i leave for london on wednesday.

i need tips! i'll be heading out to paris and i need some quick info besides the usual tourist spots.

the big one:
do i need an english tour of the louvre or can i wander on my own?

notre dame - by tour or wander on my own?

I've been all over the world. Paris is the only city I truly despise.

With that said, I've been there a bunch of times and here's some advice:

1. Learn French. Fluently.
2. See step 1.

Besides that you should get a guidebook/guide for the Louve since there is nothing in English besides a few laminated translations that you'll never get your hands on. They have about 15 in Chinese and only 1 or 2 in English if you're lucky. The Louve is one of the best/worst museums I've been to. I'm not bitter- I just think it's such a waste of good art to house it in there if they can't provide proper explainations like every other museum in the world does. When you go to the Louve check out one of Rick Steve's guides because it points out which enterence has no line. It worked like magic and I was in there in 5 minutes. When you're in the Grand Hall check out Mona Lisa (overated) but more importantly turn around and at the T-intersection check out the rest of Da Vinci's work. Even the people that work there don't realize it's there for some unknown reason.

Skip Versace if you plan on going to St Petersburg in your lifetime. I would say the same thing about the Louve, but it does house a lot of good art regardless of the Hermitage putting it to shame.

The Eiffel tower is awesome. Definitely WALK to the top. It's a lot of fun. If it's raining, wait until right after the rain stops to stand under the tower. The drops of water falling towards you is really neat and reminds me of Star Wars and the star destroyers.

Notre Dame is cool but the lines are really long. I didn't get a tour but as long as you're there it might be worth it.

Learn how to use the light board in the Subway. Grab a local and beg and plead until they finally relent and show you how it works.

The best part of Paris is walking around the city. Like any big city it will have tons of sights, sounds, and smells. You'll find that every nice person you meet is not French. Don't get your hopes up on meeting a nice local and if you go there expecting nothing but the worst you'll probably have a good time since it can't be that bad right?

Personally I would get out of Paris as soon as possible. The rest of France is a lot nicer. Even the French hate Paris.

/rant
 

SportSC4

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Stop by a bistro, grab a sandwhich, coffee, and chill outside.
You won't need a translator for the Louvre.
In fact, not even at the bistro, just point and make sure you have the Euros you need.
They are rude, me and several friends were looking for the highway entrance and one cop who spoke a little english told us that many French know English but won't speak it. I had another French person stateside explain it to me that it's like the people here in the USA who exclaim "Why can't those Mexicans learn English if they're going to come to the USA"
edit: we were there only for a couple days, any longer and you should know French
 

Syringer

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With that said, I've been there a bunch of times and here's some advice:

1. Learn French. Fluently.
2. See step 1.

1. Just about everyone there, and in most 1st world touristy areas..and then some, speak English. If places want your business, they'll speak English to you.
2. She's leaving in two weeks, that's not a practical idea..either she knows it or she doesn't.
 

saymyname

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Originally posted by: Syringer
With that said, I've been there a bunch of times and here's some advice:

1. Learn French. Fluently.
2. See step 1.

1. Just about everyone there, and in most 1st world touristy areas..and then some, speak English. If places want your business, they'll speak English to you.
2. She's leaving in two weeks, that's not a practical idea..either she knows it or she doesn't.


Learn as much French as humanly possible then. Anything and everything will help.
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: saymyname
Originally posted by: Syringer
With that said, I've been there a bunch of times and here's some advice:

1. Learn French. Fluently.
2. See step 1.

1. Just about everyone there, and in most 1st world touristy areas..and then some, speak English. If places want your business, they'll speak English to you.
2. She's leaving in two weeks, that's not a practical idea..either she knows it or she doesn't.


Learn as much French as humanly possible then. Anything and everything will help.

yeah....... even attempting to use the language is appreciated.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: saymyname
Originally posted by: Syringer
With that said, I've been there a bunch of times and here's some advice:

1. Learn French. Fluently.
2. See step 1.

1. Just about everyone there, and in most 1st world touristy areas..and then some, speak English. If places want your business, they'll speak English to you.
2. She's leaving in two weeks, that's not a practical idea..either she knows it or she doesn't.


Learn as much French as humanly possible then. Anything and everything will help.

I do agree with this.. learn some key phrases it will help..

also do find a sidewalk vendor that sells what they call hamburger and fries... its not what you think if you find the right vendor.. us navy guys called them "smash sandwitches" they were basically meat and potatoe compacted into a french roll with a waffle iron type device.. one of the best sandwitches I ever had..



 

Fern

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Originally posted by: freesia39
actually i'll be in paris starting the... 23rd but i leave for london on wednesday.

i need tips! i'll be heading out to paris and i need some quick info besides the usual tourist spots.

the big one:
do i need an english tour of the louvre or can i wander on my own?

notre dame - by tour or wander on my own?

I lived in Paris for about 7 years. Visited there frequently before that.

1. 2 weeks is plenty of time to learn a few useful French phrases. If you walk up to French people without even trying to speak French, you'll get no help 4 out of 5 times. If you try French, even very badly, there's a very good chance you'll get help right away. When I figured this out, I got immediate help. One guy went waay out his way to help me get the right Metro station. He traveled with me for 30 minutes just cuz I struggled with my little book of French phrases.

They don't wanna look stupid with bad English if you aren't willing to look stupid with bad French.

Note: Younger high school age kids may be more willing to speak to you in English. They are still studying it in school and are more familiar with it.

2. About the Louvre. First, accept the fact that you will not see it all in one day. Its way too big. I just wondered around by myself (or with friends) I never took a tour.

The museum across the river is better IMHO. I forget the name now, its an old train station and has the Van Goghh paintings. I like the stuff from that era better (pointilists, etc).

3. DO NOT eat at restaurants in tourist areas. They know you're not coming back. Bad service & bad food for higher prices. Look where the "working people" (office worker etc) are eating. The places crowed by locals are the best.

4. Consider going to the bakeries in the early morning. Fantastic fresh breads and croisants etc. The little "convenience stores" (usually run by Arabs) sell bread, cheese and wine (even whisky). Consider picking up this stuff for a lunch picnic at a fountain, a park or the river bank on a nice sunny day. "People watching" is cool in Paris.

5. Go hang at Chatelet. Its a Metro stop near the George Pomipdou Center. There should be lots of street performers and music etc. Just sit and hang, its free entertainment.

6. Notre Dame is over by St. Michel (Metro stop and fountain) on the "Left Bank". It's a good place for some cool, if "cheesy" greek restaurants. They yell "Oopa" and throw plates all the time to get tourists attention. Kinda of fun.

7. Do not buy wine by glass (exception, there's a cool little wine bar near the river. forgot the name now but you can sample some killer wine by the glass). When at a restaurant get a picher ("pee shay"), they come in several sizes and you get more for your money. It'll be the house wine.

8. Get a Metro/bus pass for however long you're there. It's cheaper than paying for each ride individually, not to mention the lack of hassle. You'll see more in a bus, you'll travel faster in the Metro. I used to ride the bus around and note down cool/interesting areas then go back on the Metro to check them out.

9. Personally I don't dig the "tourist stuff" too much. Go to local outdoor markets and shops. Paris is really 21 (I think) differnt cities (arrondisments, sp?) that have grown togther. They each have their own distict "flavor". If you wanna really see what the French & Paris are like, don't hang with the tourists. If are at a tourist place, it can be fun to meet some of the other tourist from different countries. The Dutch, and other N. Euro's speak English very well. They can help you info and translations.

10. Please do not act the typical American @sshole, speaking English loud and thinking no one understands you. They do. I recall numerous times on the bus etc while going to work some idiots would be talking loud about the French (as if they couldn't hear or understand) and everyone on the bus passes around that "knowing look" - like check out these @ssholes and laughing at them. Oh, nobody hearing that stuff is going to bother to help you if you behave that way.

11. Watch the d@mn gypsies. I hate those scum. They are preditors, don't give them any money. If you dress like the French (locals) instead of an obvious tourist you'll be less noticiable and less likely subject to pick pocket attempts etc. There are skin heads around too (at least there were). So use common sense - don't get completely sh1t faced and walk around in small dark alleys in the dead of night acting like some lost tourist boob. keep your eyes open. I hear there are still lots of problems with teh Arabs/muslims. There is sizable community in Paris, I think it's in the 18th arrondisement. Cool to see, but be a little careful.

12. Get a guidebook and read it b4 you go. That way you'll some idea of what you wanna see and won't waste time over there trying to plan it out.

Enjoy,

Fern
 

hoorah

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Originally posted by: Fern


The museum across the river is better IMHO. I forget the name now, its an old train station and has the Van Goghh paintings. I like the stuff from that era better (pointilists, etc).


Fern


Musee D'Orsay.
 

MrsBugi

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: MrsBugi
***OFF-TOPIC POLITICAL NOTE***

The country of France is now officially on the USA's "black list" for its stance in the Iraq situation (against it). Meaning, if you are trying to obtain a security clearance and you have relatives who are French/from France, is it highly likely you will be denied/delayed it. So unfortunate. :(

***/OFF-TOPIC POLITICAL NOTE***

Funny... half the US Navys Ports of Call for the 6th fleet are in France...

if they are so blacklisted why do we still pull into French ports =P
Toulon, Marseilles, Cannes, Nice, Monaco... hmm doesnt make much sence to let all our security cleared men run around drinking beer and spending US Money in a Blacklisted area =P

I don't know the details/particulars, but my husband works for the government and he received word that his security clearance is going to be delayed indefinitely since France has been put on that list. :(
 

Homerboy

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Originally posted by: hoorah
Originally posted by: Fern


The museum across the river is better IMHO. I forget the name now, its an old train station and has the Van Goghh paintings. I like the stuff from that era better (pointilists, etc).


Fern


Musee D'Orsay.

yes WAY cooler thatn Louvre (which was just on our checklist) The Louve is impressive in its own right, but its just COUNTLESS halls of Renaissance art work. (*discalimer I'm no art-buff).

I do suggest also learning to some BASIC French. Its respectful to the people to at least attempt their language and if you know Spanish you will pick up a lot of French easily IMO.


 

shopbruin

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Originally posted by: MixMasterTang
Originally posted by: freesia39
actually i'll be in paris starting the... 23rd but i leave for london on wednesday.

i need tips! i'll be heading out to paris and i need some quick info besides the usual tourist spots.

the big one:
do i need an english tour of the louvre or can i wander on my own?

notre dame - by tour or wander on my own?

You should be fine at either location without a tour. I believe they also had some self-guided headphone type tour things in English if that type of thing interests you. If you have time Versailles was actually really neat. If you like wine, you can pick up some pretty decent stuff for only a few Euro's at the little markets they have. Also you can't pass up stopping in at a McDonalds for a beer ;)

i'm going to versailles on my last full day there. it's an absolute MUST for me, i have to see the chateau.
 

shopbruin

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anyways, i was typing this earlier before i was interrupted with dinner being finished.

i do know basic french - nothing four years in high school and another two quarters in college couldn't cure. i can read street signs, and understand what you're saying if you speak REALLY slowly. i'm hoping i can get by.

my itinerary:
the tourist musts of eiffel tower, arc de triomphe, notre dame.

one morning will be spent at pere lachaise cemetary, and even if i only see two grave sites, it will be jim morrison and oscar wilde.

versailles is another morning, which is my one thing i'm putting my foot down on, because i REALLY want to see it.

i'm probably going to wind up doing the louvre on wednesday nite, since my tourbook says it's open til 945pm.

i have the lonely planet paris book, but we also have the rick steves book for london, and it's a LOT better. i think we're going to go out and get the rick steves one for paris also as a companion.

what on earth can i use as a money belt?! i'm just a small little asian chick, and the friend i'm going with is also a small asian chick. i was just going to hold my money in my pocket, along with a credit card and my ID. i don't want to have to carry my passport everywhere. and i don't want a money belt showing in my pics.
 

EvilYoda

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Originally posted by: freesia39
anyways, i was typing this earlier before i was interrupted with dinner being finished.

i do know basic french - nothing four years in high school and another two quarters in college couldn't cure. i can read street signs, and understand what you're saying if you speak REALLY slowly. i'm hoping i can get by.

my itinerary:
the tourist musts of eiffel tower, arc de triomphe, notre dame.

one morning will be spent at pere lachaise cemetary, and even if i only see two grave sites, it will be jim morrison and oscar wilde.

versailles is another morning, which is my one thing i'm putting my foot down on, because i REALLY want to see it.

i'm probably going to wind up doing the louvre on wednesday nite, since my tourbook says it's open til 945pm.

i have the lonely planet paris book, but we also have the rick steves book for london, and it's a LOT better. i think we're going to go out and get the rick steves one for paris also as a companion.

what on earth can i use as a money belt?! i'm just a small little asian chick, and the friend i'm going with is also a small asian chick. i was just going to hold my money in my pocket, along with a credit card and my ID. i don't want to have to carry my passport everywhere. and i don't want a money belt showing in my pics.

Haven't you seen EuroTrip? :D But seriously, they have money-belts made specifically for travelers than are to be worn undernearth your shirt(s).

You will love Versaille...I went to Paris with my family when I was 17 (senior year) and I hope to go back by myself for about a month in 2008. I love wandering around cities alone and I don't recall too many rude Parisians except for the ones working at the United Colors of Benneton :p

And since you've taken courses before, you've probably heard this before, but it'll help you when shopping/dining: they always greet one another, so always respond with the proper greeting. Even if you didn't speak French (which you do), they can at least appreciate that you're trying to learn their ways.

I miss Paris.
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: freesia39
anyways, i was typing this earlier before i was interrupted with dinner being finished.

i do know basic french - nothing four years in high school and another two quarters in college couldn't cure. i can read street signs, and understand what you're saying if you speak REALLY slowly. i'm hoping i can get by.

my itinerary:
the tourist musts of eiffel tower, arc de triomphe, notre dame.

one morning will be spent at pere lachaise cemetary, and even if i only see two grave sites, it will be jim morrison and oscar wilde.

versailles is another morning, which is my one thing i'm putting my foot down on, because i REALLY want to see it.

i'm probably going to wind up doing the louvre on wednesday nite, since my tourbook says it's open til 945pm.

i have the lonely planet paris book, but we also have the rick steves book for london, and it's a LOT better. i think we're going to go out and get the rick steves one for paris also as a companion.

what on earth can i use as a money belt?! i'm just a small little asian chick, and the friend i'm going with is also a small asian chick. i was just going to hold my money in my pocket, along with a credit card and my ID. i don't want to have to carry my passport everywhere. and i don't want a money belt showing in my pics.

just curious...... why do you like rick steves books?

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

natep

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Originally posted by: freesia39
anyways, i was typing this earlier before i was interrupted with dinner being finished.

i do know basic french - nothing four years in high school and another two quarters in college couldn't cure. i can read street signs, and understand what you're saying if you speak REALLY slowly. i'm hoping i can get by.

my itinerary:
the tourist musts of eiffel tower, arc de triomphe, notre dame.

one morning will be spent at pere lachaise cemetary, and even if i only see two grave sites, it will be jim morrison and oscar wilde.

versailles is another morning, which is my one thing i'm putting my foot down on, because i REALLY want to see it.

i'm probably going to wind up doing the louvre on wednesday nite, since my tourbook says it's open til 945pm.

i have the lonely planet paris book, but we also have the rick steves book for london, and it's a LOT better. i think we're going to go out and get the rick steves one for paris also as a companion.

what on earth can i use as a money belt?! i'm just a small little asian chick, and the friend i'm going with is also a small asian chick. i was just going to hold my money in my pocket, along with a credit card and my ID. i don't want to have to carry my passport everywhere. and i don't want a money belt showing in my pics.

Haven't you seen EuroTrip? :D But seriously, they have money-belts made specifically for travelers than are to be worn undernearth your shirt(s).

You will love Versaille...I went to Paris with my family when I was 17 (senior year) and I hope to go back by myself for about a month in 2008. I love wandering around cities alone and I don't recall too many rude Parisians except for the ones working at the United Colors of Benneton :p

And since you've taken courses before, you've probably heard this before, but it'll help you when shopping/dining: they always greet one another, so always respond with the proper greeting. Even if you didn't speak French (which you do), they can at least appreciate that you're trying to learn their ways.

I miss Paris.

I think this is a really good tip. When you walk into a small shop, or when the waiter comes up, give them a nice greeting. I went to Paris with a few people and I was usually the only one to give out 'Bonjour's, and I usually had a much warmer response.

As long as you make the attempt to communicate in their fashion/language, they'll be decent to you, just like anyone else.
 

Homerboy

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man I want to go back...
everyone is right on the fact that you NEED to at least attempt to converse with them in their language. The French classes you had willsuffice perfectly fine. They will slow it down for you and help you along even if that's the route you want to take. Personally, it made the tri pmore "fun" and interactive with all the people.

All I can say is hit corner shops, delis, cafes, patisseries, flower shops.
Walk along the Seine.

This is the EXACT time we went and the weather and city was gorgeous. It rained for 2 of the days we were there, but we had our umbrella and just jumped in and out of the stores. Felt very "Parisian".

Don't dress like a tourist. I don't care how comfortable those running shoes are. And don't wear your "GO UNIVERSITY OF <insert state>" t-shirt...hell don't wear ANY t-shirt or jeans.
 

Scarpozzi

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If you wear any tshirts, make sure they have the canadian flag on them. ;)
Check out the Louve, Awful tower, Notre Dame etc...

If there are any tours, they may be the best way to get a feel for the city. It's huge because unlike NYC, it's not on an island... When you get on top of the Eiffel tower, the city seems to stretch out forever.

Try to go to the Catacombs....lots of dead bones stacked in neat piles. :p

Other than that, just take in the scenery and the neat shops. Smoke a cuban cigar while you're there...prices will be high between city prices and the euro's power over the dollar. Be safe.