Tipping: If you Live/visit a state that requires full minimum wage for servers...

[GodlessAstronomer]

Everyone gets at least minimum wage in my country. I never, ever tip.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Everyone gets at least minimum wage in my country. I never, ever tip.

Is it expected that you will tip? Is the price of excellent service included in a steak dinner at a great restaurant?

If not, then this is perfectly reasonable.

Edit - minimum wage is pretty much irrelevant; servers at good restaurants don't expect to work for minimum wage anymore than the rest of us expect to do so.

 

[Wordplay]

If you live or visit a state that requires full minimum wage for servers, do you tip?

I wouldn't even know which states require full minimum wage for servers. I'm not that big of a cheap ass to look up a states minimum wage law before visiting it.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Is it expected that you will tip? Is the price of excellent service included in a steak dinner at a great restaurant?

If not, then this is perfectly reasonable.

Edit - minimum wage is pretty much irrelevant; servers at good restaurants don't expect to work for minimum wage anymore than the rest of us expect to do so.

Most of ATOT has never eaten in a restaurant with talented experienced waiters.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Most of ATOT has never eaten in a restaurant with talented experienced waiters.

Maybe they all thought the server was just hitting on them.

 

[Bignate603]

Most of ATOT has never eaten in a restaurant with talented experienced waiters.

There's plenty of people on ATOT that would still tip low even in a place with excellent service because they feel threatened by people in service jobs that manage to earn a decent wage.

 

[alkemyst]

There's plenty of people on ATOT that would still tip low even in a place with excellent service because they feel threatened by people in service jobs that manage to earn a decent wage.

QFT...most of today's people vote/act in order to keep someone else from succeeding rather than what they'd want to really do.

 

[alkemyst]

Everyone gets at least minimum wage in my country. I never, ever tip.

The adult minimum wage is $12.75 an hour.

edit: about $9.75 USD/hr at this moment.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

The adult minimum wage is $12.75 an hour.

edit: about $9.75 USD/hr at this moment.

No one tips here.

The adult minimum wage is $12.75 an hour.

edit: about $9.75 USD/hr at this moment.

Yeah Are you making a point?

Edit - I should note that most servers don't actually make minimum wage here. The average would be something like $13.50 - $15.00/hr with little or not experience.

 

[KeithTalent]

Lol of course I do. As a former restaurant worker I understand the hard work people put in and the amount of crap they have to put up with.

Not to mention the fact in most places here tips are shared with the most overworked and unappreciated people, the kitchen staff.

So yeah, I always tip.

KT

 

[alkemyst]

No one tips here.

Yeah Are you making a point?

Edit - I should note that most servers don't actually make minimum wage here. The average would be something like $13.50 - $15.00/hr with little or not experience.

I am because in every post you comment on, you are totally missing the real argument.

Most are posting on USA standards.

If anything you should be defending and writing it out how your people interact with the kangaroos.

 

[Bignate603]

No one tips here.

Yeah Are you making a point?

Edit - I should note that most servers don't actually make minimum wage here. The average would be something like $13.50 - $15.00/hr with little or not experience.

It's all about customs, different countries pay servers different ways. In the US the base pay is low and its expected that they'll make some money in tips as long as they give decent service. Personally, I prefer that because I can give them a lousy tip if they give lousy service.

 

[HAL9000]

If you are asking what "Shens" means: = Didn't happen (i.e. Bullshit).

Urban Dictionary: Shens

Ahh ok thanks

 

[alkemyst]

I hate to say it but your friends are cheap and trying to justify it.

why hate to say it, it's exactly what I posted. They aren't direct friends to any of us really.

 

[alkemyst]

Ahh ok thanks

how are you a Network Admin and missed the last 20 years of the internut?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I am because in every post you comment on, you are totally missing the real argument.

Most are posting on USA standards.

If anything you should be defending and writing it out how your people interact with the kangaroos.

In every tipping thread there are typically at least a couple of people (Americans) who say that the tipping system is just silly, so I guess I'm throwing my hat in with them It's an extremely strange custom to me, and it seems nearly arbitrary who you tip and who you don't.

 

[preslove]

In every tipping thread there are typically at least a couple of people (Americans) who say that the tipping system is just silly, so I guess I'm throwing my hat in with them It's an extremely strange custom to me, and it seems nearly arbitrary who you tip and who you don't.

It sucks, but it's what we have here and I don't want to screw over servers. I MUCH prefer the ways of the rest of the world, though. I loved the fact that Europe uses a VAT and pay their waiters a livable wage, as it meant that when I saw the price of a meal/beverage, I didn't have to do fucking math on the sales tax and tip to get the price. 10 pound steak? Great, I can just hand them a tenner.

 

[alkemyst]

It sucks, but it's what we have here and I don't want to screw over servers. I MUCH prefer the ways of the rest of the world, though. I loved the fact that Europe uses a VAT and pay their waiters a livable wage, as it meant that when I saw the price of a meal/beverage, I didn't have to do fucking math on the sales tax and tip to get the price. 10 pound steak? Great, I can just hand them a tenner.

It's not Europe as a whole, every country and sometimes locality has their own system.

 

[KMFJD]

It sucks, but it's what we have here and I don't want to screw over servers. I MUCH prefer the ways of the rest of the world, though. I loved the fact that Europe uses a VAT and pay their waiters a livable wage, as it meant that when I saw the price of a meal/beverage, I didn't have to do fucking math on the sales tax and tip to get the price. 10 pound steak? Great, I can just hand them a tenner.

I wish we did the same....

 

[lord_emperor]

What I learned from this is that if servers stopped being fucking shifty about reporting their tips, they're guaranteed to make their agreed upon wage regardless of the source:

Your employer can only do that if you are informed about the tip credit allowance, if your employer is able to show that you earn at least the minimum wage when direct wage and tip are combined and allows you to retain all tips.

So while minimum wage customer service in retail and other industries are shit on equally, they don't get to laugh their way to the bank with 500% of their reported income tax free.

Edit: Looked up the law for Canada. Only Quebec and Ontario make allowance for gratuities and it is a very small amount. They are still federally required to report tips as income but I know very few do report tips fully.

 

[Fern]

this thread is moot since all servers are required to at least make min. wage.
-snip-

Min. wage for servers is lower than the normal minimum wage. When I worked payroll a few years back, minimum wage for servers was $2.63 /hr, at least here in MA. Don't know if that's gone up since then or not...

Minimum wage means minimum wage.

The minimum wage for servers is the same as that for other employees.

The difference is that the federal government, and most states, allow the employer to take declared tips into account when figuring the hourly wage actually received by the server.

If the tips aren't enough to reach the standard minimum wage, the employer must kick in more money so the severs make at least the standard hourly minimum wage.

Fern

 

[AstroManLuca]

Minimum wage laws have no effect on my tipping.

This. And besides, minimum wage is still a very small amount of money.