tip has almost nothing to do with the quality of service

[sash1]

I don't agree that 20% should be the norm and I definitely don't agree that it should be added in to the customers bill. And this coming from a server who makes $2.13/hr.

I make decent money regardless. Saturday night my first four tables left me a total of $50. $20 on 84, $12 on something like 50, and a couple other nice % tips.

If I do my job well then the tips will come, that's the way I see it. The only thing I dislike is when I get stiffed on a tip because the kitchen is at fault. But nothing I can do about that.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: sash1
I don't agree that 20% should be the norm and I definitely don't agree that it should be added in to the customers bill. And this coming from a server who makes $2.13/hr.

I make ridiculous money regardless. Saturday night my first four tables left me a total of $50. $20 on 84, $12 on something like 50, and a couple other nice % tips.

If I do my job well then the tips will come, that's the way I see it. The only thing I dislike is when I get stiffed on a tip because the kitchen is at fault. But nothing I can do about that.

When you get a big tip do you ever share with the kitchen? I'm not trying to make any kind of point... i'm just curious.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

Blah blah blah... servers in my state make $7.50/hr. plus tips (not "with" tips, "plus" tips). Skilled servers in nicer restaurants and bars can easily make more than $50k/year, more than enough for you to consider them "rich Republicans," Dave.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: sash1
I don't agree that 20% should be the norm and I definitely don't agree that it should be added in to the customers bill. And this coming from a server who makes $2.13/hr.

I make ridiculous money regardless. Saturday night my first four tables left me a total of $50. $20 on 84, $12 on something like 50, and a couple other nice % tips.

If I do my job well then the tips will come, that's the way I see it. The only thing I dislike is when I get stiffed on a tip because the kitchen is at fault. But nothing I can do about that.

When you get a big tip do you ever share with the kitchen? I'm not trying to make any kind of point... i'm just curious.

In some restaurants, pretty much everyone gets a cut. The greeter/hostess, busboys, bartender, and cooks may all get a portion out of the wait staff's money.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
When you get a big tip do you ever share with the kitchen? I'm not trying to make any kind of point... i'm just curious.

It is customary for the servers to share a fixed percentage of their tips with the kitchen and bussers.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

Blah blah blah... servers in my state make $7.50/hr. plus tips (not "with" tips, "plus" tips). Skilled servers in nicer restaurants and bars can easily make more than $50k/year, more than enough for you to consider a "rich Republian," Dave.

Did you know the Bush administration is pushing for a repeal of states that pay servers over $2.13 hr.

There are seven states that pay over $2.13hr, you are apparently in one of them.

The new Federal law will trump your state.

Smile at your server when the law is passed.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

Blah blah blah... servers in my state make $7.50/hr. plus tips (not "with" tips, "plus" tips). Skilled servers in nicer restaurants and bars can easily make more than $50k/year, more than enough for you to consider a "rich Republian," Dave.

Did you know the Bush administration is pushing for a repeal of states that pay servers over $2.13 hr.

There are seven states that pay over $2.13hr, you are apparently in one of them.

The new Federal law will trump your state.

Smile at your server when the law is passed.

What's wrong Dave, gas prices got you down so you're over in OT?

I would like to see where Bush is pushing to repeal server pay. Not saying I don't believe it but where's the info? Show me and you get a

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

Blah blah blah... servers in my state make $7.50/hr. plus tips (not "with" tips, "plus" tips). Skilled servers in nicer restaurants and bars can easily make more than $50k/year, more than enough for you to consider a "rich Republian," Dave.

Did you know the Bush administration is pushing for a repeal of states that pay servers over $2.13 hr.

There are seven states that pay over $2.13hr, you are apparently in one of them.

The new Federal law will trump your state.

Smile at your server when the law is passed.

What's wrong Dave, gas prices got you down so you're over in OT?

I would like to see where Bush is pushing to repeal server pay. Not saying I don't believe it but where's the info? Show me and you get a

Enjoy America, this is what you wanted.

8-2-2006 Republicans slash wages of the already poor, set tipped wage to $2.13 hr

Nevada, California and Washington are among seven states where workers get to keep their tips on top of getting paid their state's full minimum wage. In other states, tip-earning workers get paid less and make up the difference with tips.

A provision in GOP-written minimum wage legislation passed by the House and under consideration this week by the Senate could change the law in those seven states ? the others are Montana, Alaska, Minnesota and Oregon. It would deal a pay cut of $3 or more an hour to thousands of waiters, bellhops and hairdressers in those states.

"Everything that has been achieved in seven states to support low-wage workers who earn tips is destroyed by this bill," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

"This bill would slash the salaries of thousands of workers."

Except for in the seven states at issue, employers of tipped employees now pay only a portion of the minimum wage ? starting at $2.13 an hour ? as long as the employees draw enough tips to make up the rest. A tipped employee is defined as one who regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

Blah blah blah... servers in my state make $7.50/hr. plus tips (not "with" tips, "plus" tips). Skilled servers in nicer restaurants and bars can easily make more than $50k/year, more than enough for you to consider a "rich Republian," Dave.

Did you know the Bush administration is pushing for a repeal of states that pay servers over $2.13 hr.

There are seven states that pay over $2.13hr, you are apparently in one of them.

The new Federal law will trump your state.

Smile at your server when the law is passed.

What's wrong Dave, gas prices got you down so you're over in OT?

I would like to see where Bush is pushing to repeal server pay. Not saying I don't believe it but where's the info? Show me and you get a

Enjoy America, this is what you wanted.

8-2-2006 Republicans slash wages of the already poor, set tipped wage to $2.13 hr

Nevada, California and Washington are among seven states where workers get to keep their tips on top of getting paid their state's full minimum wage. In other states, tip-earning workers get paid less and make up the difference with tips.

A provision in GOP-written minimum wage legislation passed by the House and under consideration this week by the Senate could change the law in those seven states ? the others are Montana, Alaska, Minnesota and Oregon. It would deal a pay cut of $3 or more an hour to thousands of waiters, bellhops and hairdressers in those states.

"Everything that has been achieved in seven states to support low-wage workers who earn tips is destroyed by this bill," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

"This bill would slash the salaries of thousands of workers."

Except for in the seven states at issue, employers of tipped employees now pay only a portion of the minimum wage ? starting at $2.13 an hour ? as long as the employees draw enough tips to make up the rest. A tipped employee is defined as one who regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips.

Since your link sucks I can't see where the Bush Admin is mentioned. Does anything done by Repubs=Bush or are you just bitter?

IMO, if you can't make a decent wage on $2.13+tips then you should consider another job. I did it to pay for school and it's not that tough. Where did this sense of entitlement in America come from?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

Blah blah blah... servers in my state make $7.50/hr. plus tips (not "with" tips, "plus" tips). Skilled servers in nicer restaurants and bars can easily make more than $50k/year, more than enough for you to consider a "rich Republian," Dave.

Did you know the Bush administration is pushing for a repeal of states that pay servers over $2.13 hr.

There are seven states that pay over $2.13hr, you are apparently in one of them.

The new Federal law will trump your state.

Smile at your server when the law is passed.

What's wrong Dave, gas prices got you down so you're over in OT?

I would like to see where Bush is pushing to repeal server pay. Not saying I don't believe it but where's the info? Show me and you get a

Enjoy America, this is what you wanted.

8-2-2006 Republicans slash wages of the already poor, set tipped wage to $2.13 hr

Nevada, California and Washington are among seven states where workers get to keep their tips on top of getting paid their state's full minimum wage. In other states, tip-earning workers get paid less and make up the difference with tips.

A provision in GOP-written minimum wage legislation passed by the House and under consideration this week by the Senate could change the law in those seven states ? the others are Montana, Alaska, Minnesota and Oregon. It would deal a pay cut of $3 or more an hour to thousands of waiters, bellhops and hairdressers in those states.

"Everything that has been achieved in seven states to support low-wage workers who earn tips is destroyed by this bill," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

"This bill would slash the salaries of thousands of workers."

Except for in the seven states at issue, employers of tipped employees now pay only a portion of the minimum wage ? starting at $2.13 an hour ? as long as the employees draw enough tips to make up the rest. A tipped employee is defined as one who regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips.

Since your link sucks I can't see where the Bush Admin is mentioned. Does anything done by Repubs=Bush or are you just bitter?

IMO, if you can't make a decent wage on $2.13+tips then you should consider another job. I did it to pay for school and it's not that tough. Where did this sense of entitlement in America come from?

Looks like Yahoo's News links expire which does suck.

here is today's rose colored glasses report for you:

9-18-2006 GOP talk of vibrant economy rings hollow

FALMOUTH, Ky. - Used boots fetch $3 and old salt-and-pepper shakers bring in a buck at a makeshift flea market along Highway 27, presumably not what President Bush and Republicans have in mind when they herald a vibrant economy.

Times are "very good for the rich and very, very bad for the poor" who "can't afford to live," laments Larry Mitchell, 43, a now-and-then merchant peddling his wares recently in a submarine sandwich shop parking lot. He says the middle class is "having a hard time."

At a nearby diner, waitress Jeanine Gordon, 32, who makes the minimum wage, mused about her latest trouble ? her van has been in the shop for a week because she and her husband can't afford to fix it.

"This is the least I've ever made in my entire life," the Republican and mother of three said. "The gas prices went up and the tips went down."

 

[Extelleron]

I usually tip 10%.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

Blah blah blah... servers in my state make $7.50/hr. plus tips (not "with" tips, "plus" tips). Skilled servers in nicer restaurants and bars can easily make more than $50k/year, more than enough for you to consider a "rich Republian," Dave.

Did you know the Bush administration is pushing for a repeal of states that pay servers over $2.13 hr.

There are seven states that pay over $2.13hr, you are apparently in one of them.

The new Federal law will trump your state.

Smile at your server when the law is passed.

Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[makken]

Originally posted by: JS80
I tip 10%.

QFT.

I tip 10% off the base cost (pre-tax) rounded up so that the grand total will be to the upper dollar.

If they impress me, 15% rounded up.
If they disappoint me, 5% rounded up.

I've only given a 5% tip once. and that was when I was forced to wait 2 hours (yeah 2 HOURS) when I had a reservation.

I remember the first time I paid for family dinner, my dad was FURIOUS at me for overtipping (i gave 18%) for just satisfactory service. I've learned to watch my tips closely since then.

And yes, my father did worked as a waiter / busboy while he was in college.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I've gotten myself involved in too many of these tipping flames here on ATOT. This is one I will stay out of.

Tipping wouldn't be such a hot subject if they didn't make $2.13hr or in many cases $0 per hour and rely solely on tips.

The American treatment of the peons that serve them is atrocious.

Blah blah blah... servers in my state make $7.50/hr. plus tips (not "with" tips, "plus" tips). Skilled servers in nicer restaurants and bars can easily make more than $50k/year, more than enough for you to consider a "rich Republian," Dave.

Did you know the Bush administration is pushing for a repeal of states that pay servers over $2.13 hr.

There are seven states that pay over $2.13hr, you are apparently in one of them.

The new Federal law will trump your state.

Smile at your server when the law is passed.

What's wrong Dave, gas prices got you down so you're over in OT?

I would like to see where Bush is pushing to repeal server pay. Not saying I don't believe it but where's the info? Show me and you get a

Enjoy America, this is what you wanted.

8-2-2006 Republicans slash wages of the already poor, set tipped wage to $2.13 hr

Nevada, California and Washington are among seven states where workers get to keep their tips on top of getting paid their state's full minimum wage. In other states, tip-earning workers get paid less and make up the difference with tips.

A provision in GOP-written minimum wage legislation passed by the House and under consideration this week by the Senate could change the law in those seven states ? the others are Montana, Alaska, Minnesota and Oregon. It would deal a pay cut of $3 or more an hour to thousands of waiters, bellhops and hairdressers in those states.

"Everything that has been achieved in seven states to support low-wage workers who earn tips is destroyed by this bill," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

"This bill would slash the salaries of thousands of workers."

Except for in the seven states at issue, employers of tipped employees now pay only a portion of the minimum wage ? starting at $2.13 an hour ? as long as the employees draw enough tips to make up the rest. A tipped employee is defined as one who regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips.

Since your link sucks I can't see where the Bush Admin is mentioned. Does anything done by Repubs=Bush or are you just bitter?

IMO, if you can't make a decent wage on $2.13+tips then you should consider another job. I did it to pay for school and it's not that tough. Where did this sense of entitlement in America come from?

Looks like Yahoo's News links expire which does suck.

here is today's rose colored glasses report for you:

9-18-2006 GOP talk of vibrant economy rings hollow

FALMOUTH, Ky. - Used boots fetch $3 and old salt-and-pepper shakers bring in a buck at a makeshift flea market along Highway 27, presumably not what President Bush and Republicans have in mind when they herald a vibrant economy.

Times are "very good for the rich and very, very bad for the poor" who "can't afford to live," laments Larry Mitchell, 43, a now-and-then merchant peddling his wares recently in a submarine sandwich shop parking lot. He says the middle class is "having a hard time."

At a nearby diner, waitress Jeanine Gordon, 32, who makes the minimum wage, mused about her latest trouble ? her van has been in the shop for a week because she and her husband can't afford to fix it.

"This is the least I've ever made in my entire life," the Republican and mother of three said. "The gas prices went up and the tips went down."

So every economist says that the economy is growing, albeit as a slower rate, unemployment is at 4.7% and they find a few examples of people selling used boots and working in a diner to back their points (harsh but true). I have been at the same job since I got out of school in 2000 and have seen my wages increase every year. I can now afford things that I couldn't back then because of my hard work.

I was broke for a few years but it paid off in the end like I figured it would. Why should I feel sorry for someone who chooses not to better themselves? Most would rather find someone to blame rather than take any personal responsibility for their actions. When people realize they have the power to control their own futures we will be much better off. Until then, we have Dave to make sure their whiney voices are heard.

 

[marvdmartian]

"I find it unacceptable for people not to know that the tipping rate is 20 percent," Burkhart said.

Really? I find it unacceptable that servers assume they're worth 20%, no matter what kind of service they give. You want 20% honey, I suggest you earn it!! :roll:

The sentiment is widely shared on the Internet. A database on one Web site, bitter waitress.com, allows servers across the country to submit the names of customers who tipped less than 17 percent.

Gee, I wonder what sort of lawsuit that one's going to end up giving some dumb server??

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: DaShen
I remember 5-6 years ago when tipping was 10-15%.

Now with inflation and the growing Sense of Entitlement in today's society...

I normally tip very well though, unless the person was a complete punk

Where were you 5-6 years ago when tipping was %10!!!?? even %15?

I can't rememebr that last time I thought %15 was high for tipping.

 

[teddyv]

I usually start with 20% then subtract if the service is poor. If I do tip low I will stop on the way out and tell the server why. I usually eat out with friends and the point is usually to enjoy a meal and each others' company. If I am just hungry I usually get in and out as quickly as possible. Generally there are a few things that happen frequently with poor servers and they really irk the hell out of me.

1. The Disappearing Waiter - be around when we need something. You don't need to continuously ask us how we're doing, just pass by every few minutes and give a glance, we'll let you know. Keep the water filled, keep the butter tray filled and pick up course plates before a new course comes.

2. The Interrupter - if you come to the table, wait for a pause in conversation to start explaining specials, etc. I cannot tell you how annoying it is to have someone march up and interrupt someone in mid-sentence.

3. The Rusher - Don't ever bring a new course before the old is finished and the plates cleared (and don't start picking up plates until folks are obviously done.) I understand restaurants and waiters make more money the more turnover there is, but being obviously rushed off a table ruins a meal. Likewise, do not bring me the bill until I ask for it.

Even for subpar service I will always tip at least 10% - unless the service was so awful it ruined the meal (then they get nothing but me telling them why they got nothing.)

 

[Sphexi]

So they have a database, where they put their customer's names if they don't tip at least a certain amount? Glad to see they take their customer's privacy so seriously. Are they yanking names off of credit cards? Are they submitting their OWN names along with customer names, so I can logon and find out which waiters/waitresses to avoid when I come to their restaurant?

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Vic
You weren't "debating" the tip system. You were playing dumb over it. If you don't feel that you get better service at an expensive fancy restaurant that you do at Denny's, then by all means tip accordingly.

Actually, that is exactly what's going on here. The question was raised why one should should expect better service with more expensive food. Your example about Denny's is not the question asked. If I get better service, then yes, I tip higher. But the question is why should I expect better service with more expensive food or vice versa? Also, why should a waiter expect a higher tip based on the cost of the meal? The waiter should provide good service regardless.

it is a different sort of service. not quality, but the expectations you have of the service comes along with the price of the food.

and the service provided is different in HOW it is provided, quality may be as high, but the sort of service is diffefent.

Unless we're talking about a server's expansive knowledge of a long list of wines and which would go best with my duck, then that's a crock of shiet.

Here are my expectations, regardless of whether I'm at Applebee's or Morton's:

1. You'll greet me/take my order within a few minutes of my sitting down.
2. You'll keep my drinks filled
3. You'll bring me my food, as I ordered it.

I don't expect anything less or anything more when I go out to eat. There is no advanced geometry occurring at fancy restaurants that somehow beams my Coke to my table faster than at non-fancy restaurants. I expect that my service is efficient and effective no matter where I go.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Vic
Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

regulating commerce is a power specifically granted to the Congress, so it would be within their power to create a law saying that states may not legislate a higher minimum.

 

[abaez]

Did anyone listen to the This American Life where they tested the types of tips each service gets?

One of the watiresses was super nice to half of her customers (asked how they're doing, smiled, explained specials thoroughly etc etc), for the other half she was just really blank to the customers.. no smiling.. can I take your order type of service.

Guess which customers tipped more? Yup, the ones that got the crappy service.. by like 4%, even the waitress was pretty surprised.

 

[DurocShark]

http://www.bitterwaitress.com/std/

Check to see if your name's on there...

:shocked:

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: ElFenix
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/4191557.html

this quote bothers me:

"I find it unacceptable for people not to know that the tipping rate is 20 percent," Burkhart said.

i've never heard 20% as the default rate

Inflation...

I try for 15-20% based on level of service.

Poor service at times has just gotten $0.01 to demonstrate displeasure.

No tip indicates bad customer.

the prices of the FOOD has inflated. there is no need to adjust the tip when it is already a percentage of the food cost.

15% is perfectly acceptable for decent service.

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
http://www.bitterwaitress.com/std/

Check to see if your name's on there...

:shocked:

4. DO NOT SUBMIT CREDIT CARD NUMBERS


lol I almost hope that some douche waiter out there thinks my 15% tip was too small and decides to buy himself a new tv with my credit card number. Then he can debate about there being a 20% minimum tip with his new cell mate "El Grande"