tip has almost nothing to do with the quality of service

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JS80
I tip 10%.

as is fair and proper.

Seriously, for the 5 minutes of the waiter's time that it takes to get my order and bring it out, why are they expecting an enormous compensation?

/me awaits ATOT waiters to flame us "it's a hard and stressful job waaaah waaaah"


seriously, people need to organize and start tipping 10% so that 10% becomes the "standard"

I don't care how hard their job is, it's customary to tip 15% for good service and I'm not a cheapass.

I hope you don't go to any restaurants on a regular basis and tip that poorly, because if you do I can only imagine what bodily fluids you've involuntarily ingested.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
I don't understand the whole percentage of the cost thing.. Why does serving a higher priced meal mean that the waiter deserves a higehr tip?

Simple. As a general rule, a higher priced meal should be of higher quality that a lower priced meal, and should come with a higher level of service, thus a higher tip.

Yet that really doesn't make any sense. Why should an expensive meal mean better service? It shouldn't.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
I don't understand the whole percentage of the cost thing.. Why does serving a higher priced meal mean that the waiter deserves a higehr tip?

Simple. As a general rule, a higher priced meal should be of higher quality that a lower priced meal, and should come with a higher level of service, thus a higher tip.

Yet that really doesn't make any sense. Why should an expensive meal mean better service? It shouldn't.

Because if you're gonna pay a lot of money for a fancy meal, you expect to get fancy service to go with it.

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
I don't understand the whole percentage of the cost thing.. Why does serving a higher priced meal mean that the waiter deserves a higehr tip?

Simple. As a general rule, a higher priced meal should be of higher quality that a lower priced meal, and should come with a higher level of service, thus a higher tip.

Higher level of service my ass. It's not brain surgery. I ask for a Coke... you bring me a Coke.

I order chicken. You bring me chicken. I don't care if I'm paying $8.99 or $39.99 for the meal... it's a relatively easy process.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

That whole "bad tippers" list is stupid.

Even if your name is on it... so what? It's not like the waitstaff learns your name until after the meal is over with and it's time to square the bill. At that point... it's too late to say "oh, this customer tips poorly... give him bad service."

No wonder that it was cooked up by a disgruntled waitress.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
I don't understand the whole percentage of the cost thing.. Why does serving a higher priced meal mean that the waiter deserves a higehr tip?

Simple. As a general rule, a higher priced meal should be of higher quality that a lower priced meal, and should come with a higher level of service, thus a higher tip.

Higher level of service my ass. It's not brain surgery. I ask for a Coke... you bring me a Coke.

I order chicken. You bring me chicken. I don't care if I'm paying $8.99 or $39.99 for the meal... it's a relatively easy process.

You'd get a Coke with a $40 meal?

 

[DaShen]

I remember 5-6 years ago when tipping was 10-15%.

Now with inflation and the growing Sense of Entitlement in today's society...

I normally tip very well though, unless the person was a complete punk

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Vic
Because if you're gonna pay a lot of money for a fancy meal, you expect to get fancy service to go with it.

Still doesn't make sense. Let's say a friend and I go to a restaurant. I'm a fan of seafood so I order a lobster, but my friend doesn't like seafood (or is allergic... whatever) so he orders a chicken club sandwich. By what manner of logic should I receive better service than my friend?

Originally posted by: Vic
You'd get a Coke with a $40 meal?

Why not? I like Coke better that many more expensive drinks myself. In fact, it's usually what I order with just about any meal at any restaurant.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Jeeebus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
I don't understand the whole percentage of the cost thing.. Why does serving a higher priced meal mean that the waiter deserves a higehr tip?

Simple. As a general rule, a higher priced meal should be of higher quality that a lower priced meal, and should come with a higher level of service, thus a higher tip.

Higher level of service my ass. It's not brain surgery. I ask for a Coke... you bring me a Coke.

I order chicken. You bring me chicken. I don't care if I'm paying $8.99 or $39.99 for the meal... it's a relatively easy process.

You'd get a Coke with a $40 meal?

he didn't say he orders a coke with a $40 meal and i don't even see how you could get that out of what he said...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Vic
Because if you're gonna pay a lot of money for a fancy meal, you expect to get fancy service to go with it.

Still doesn't make sense. Let's say a friend and I go to a restaurant. I'm a fan of seafood so I order a lobster, but my friend doesn't like seafood (or is allergic... whatever) so he orders a chicken club sandwich. By what manner of logic should I receive better service than my friend?

Originally posted by: Vic
You'd get a Coke with a $40 meal?

Why not? I like Coke better that many more expensive drinks myself. In fact, it's usually what I order with just about any meal at any restaurant.

So start tipping a flat amount then. Why do you think anyone cares?

 

[sswingle]

Tipping is overrated.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Vic
So start tipping a flat amount then. Why do you think anyone cares?

Obviously you do. I thought we were discussing the tipping system here?

 

[I Saw OJ]

My tip always indicates the quality of service I recieved. Sometimes its high, somtimes its low, its not always going to be a set amount.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Tip is ALL about the QoS. I never leave a tip when the service has been so bad that I have spent the entire duration of my meal cursing the poor service instead of enjoying my meal.

20% tips? I think I need to get a job as a waiter in a fancy restaurant. Screw engineering.

 

[huberm]

this may possibly hurt servers more than it helps.

Say for instance a server at a Dennys gets five tables with only one customer at each table. They all order a super slam that costs only $4. That would mean they got an $.80 tip for each table under the new proposed 20% automatic system. I am also guessing that by human nature, no one will leave more money on the table if it is already put on the check. The chances of them getting a much larger tip using the current method is far greater.

My guess is human generosity is a much more fair way for servers to make their tips.

 

[oddyager]

I just double the tax unless I get exceptional service then I'll do a full 20.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Vic
So start tipping a flat amount then. Why do you think anyone cares?

Obviously you do. I thought we were discussing the tipping system here?

Actually, I don't. A question was asked. I answered it. And in came the usual gang of idiots who argue over the obvious on the internet.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, I don't. A question was asked. I answered it. And in came the usual gang of idiots who argue over the obvious on the internet.

So I'm an idiot for debating the tip system in a thread about debating the tip system ?

Whatever you say.

 

[nakedfrog]

How about instead of an automatic 20%, they just pay them slightly more than they're being paid now?

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

I've had a change of heart in recent months about tipping, mostly due to the string of bad service I've been receiving recently. 10% is my default tipping rate for now and forever. Anything higher than that depends on my mood and if they went beyond the default duties of a server.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, I don't. A question was asked. I answered it. And in came the usual gang of idiots who argue over the obvious on the internet.

So I'm an idiot for debating the tip system in a thread about debating the tip system ?

Whatever you say.

You weren't "debating" the tip system. You were playing dumb over it. If you don't feel that you get better service at an expensive fancy restaurant that you do at Denny's, then by all means tip accordingly.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Vic
You weren't "debating" the tip system. You were playing dumb over it. If you don't feel that you get better service at an expensive fancy restaurant that you do at Denny's, then by all means tip accordingly.

Actually, that is exactly what's going on here. The question was raised why one should should expect better service with more expensive food. Your example about Denny's is not the question asked. If I get better service, then yes, I tip higher. But the question is why should I expect better service with more expensive food or vice versa? Also, why should a waiter expect a higher tip based on the cost of the meal? The waiter should provide good service regardless.

 

[MikeMike]

when paying $30 for a filet, at a high end place, instead of paying $20 for it at a low end place, here is the difference.

the ambience
the service, what you guys are bitching about.
a perfect service should be, hot food hot, cold food cold.
drink refills should be on the table before you are 1/2 done with the other one and the table kept dry, and litter free.
table should be devoid of all glassware that isnt in use, or has been "refilled" unless it is an ice tea as ppl make those up with sugar and what not.

what a server can not control: undercooked food, although we can check the temp, if it is in the proper range for our store, yet is still undercooked, it wasnt my fault.
overcooked food, again, not the servers fault.

cold food is the servers fault
improper food, unless missed by the person running the QC window, was the servers fault.

drinks should be fast, and food should be quick as well, where i work we shoot for 10 minute food prep time, unless apps and salads were ordered.

wine service at a fine dining location will be much much greater than at a casual restaurant, and this will take a LOT more time on the servers end to do as they must refill the glasses properly everytime.

 

[zebano]

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Tipping is overrated.

Tipping is a city in China.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Vic
You weren't "debating" the tip system. You were playing dumb over it. If you don't feel that you get better service at an expensive fancy restaurant that you do at Denny's, then by all means tip accordingly.

Actually, that is exactly what's going on here. The question was raised why one should should expect better service with more expensive food. Your example about Denny's is not the question asked. If I get better service, then yes, I tip higher. But the question is why should I expect better service with more expensive food or vice versa? Also, why should a waiter expect a higher tip based on the cost of the meal? The waiter should provide good service regardless.

it is a different sort of service. not quality, but the expectations you have of the service comes along with the price of the food.

and the service provided is different in HOW it is provided, quality may be as high, but the sort of service is diffefent.