Timeshare Ownership...opinions?

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Excelsior

Lifer
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An outsider looking in, I can't imagine how timeshares EVER make sense. The whole thing wreaks of a scheme a-la MLM or some other nonsense. In this era of AirBnB or VRBO, I don't know how one can make a case for a timeshares.

Folks, just a couple of years ago I flew to Curacao with a girlfriend, rented a bungalow overlooking the water (could walk to the caribbean down the steps) and rented a car for a week, all for about $2000.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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We have a DVC timeshare (Disney Vacation Club) we bought a few years ago when the resale market was at complete bottom. Talk about an absolute steal. It's low points so our maintenance fees are low every year. If we don't use them I can sell them no problem because DVC points are super high demand. Etc. Was a no brainer.

If only I knew then what I know now I would have bought about 5 more of these contracts.

How does renting your points work? Are you on the hook if the people trash the place?

My in-laws have offered us their point through Blue-Green. I wouldn't mind taking them, but only if I could rent them out in times we wouldn't use them to pay for the maintenance costs.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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One problem with the points system, is if you do want to go to the same resort all the time and it is popular it can be very hard to get in. My in-laws were early owners at a resort in Branson (Big Cedar). They've bought up into the higher tiers so they can book sooner. But now that the place is full and has been for a few years, they keep selling it to people (deeding them in Vegas). So now it is very hard for my in laws to get the weeks they want, and it is the only place they ever want to go.

I for one like going different places all the time, so it isn't an issue for me, but it is the only way they vacation.
 

Exterous

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I pay that with a Hilton amex and get 4x the points which is close to a cheap hotel stay for a night.

4x? Their cards currently start at 6x. Is it an older card or do the timeshares count towards fewer points? If not you might want to look into the Amex Surpass since its 12x

Folks, just a couple of years ago I flew to Curacao with a girlfriend, rented a bungalow overlooking the water (could walk to the caribbean down the steps) and rented a car for a week, all for about $2000.

How many years ago? I would be curious to know what the cost of the same place is now. There are many places I was able to go extremely cheaply even two years ago but are significantly more expensive now due to the increase in travelers. For example I've had to come to grips with the fact that I'll probably not be able to return to Live Aqua in a balcony Ocean front room for $215 a night for two people
 

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An outsider looking in, I can't imagine how timeshares EVER make sense. The whole thing wreaks of a scheme a-la MLM or some other nonsense. In this era of AirBnB or VRBO, I don't know how one can make a case for a timeshares.

Folks, just a couple of years ago I flew to Curacao with a girlfriend, rented a bungalow overlooking the water (could walk to the caribbean down the steps) and rented a car for a week, all for about $2000.

As a non-risk taking midwestern cracker with kids and a spouse that has to book vacation time at least 6+ months out, my vacationing options are somewhat limited to more traditional vacation spots.

I have to work around school schedules, really don't want to pay a lot for airfare, and just really don't want to rent a bungalo and spend a week in it with 2 young kids :p. Just my wife and I, sure. But kids really throw a wrench in what I'm comfortable renting and where I want to go. And how I get there.

I've been pretty clear that I don't think timeshares are a great value. And not all time shares are created equal. I've spent a lot of time over at tugbbs and Hilton is praised as probably one of the best out there. But it comes at a premium. The Wyndham ones are decent, but Hilton's properties, their customer service, and options are a couple cuts above most.

If you buy direct from Hilton you are going to be screwed. Hard. The share I bought was probably $35,000 or more for the sucker ahead of me. Some of the Hawaii ones are pushing $50,000 in the primary market. The New York one is upwards of $80,000.

At $7,000 it's still not chump change. But it's paid for and out of the way. So now for about $1200 a year I've got 1-2 weeks worth of travel at a place that has 2-3 bedrooms, a full kitchen and usually very family friendly amenities and in places that have a lot of things for typically family stuff to do. The place I'm deeded at in Myrtle Beach has a lazy river and a mini-golf course on property and is right off the board walk. My week in June there would cost me over $3100 + taxes to rent if I booked in cash.

Same thing with Hawaii trips. A 2 bedroom place there is going to run you $250-$350 a night + taxes easily. A week could be pushing $3,000 or more. 9000 points (pull/push from year to year) and I've got a week there.

With Hilton you can book up to 9 months out for resorts. You can book your home week at your resort up to a year out. I've got a late May date for my home week at Myrtle which doesn't work for kids, but that's fine. 9 months still lets me get in and book a week in the 3BR condos without issue. With as far out as we need to plan our vacations anyway, it works very well for us as a family.

In the event we can sneak out for a weekend getaway to Vegas, I can pay cash rates for a place in Vegas and get booked on the Strip for $70-$90 a night. Or point wise that's 700 points for three nights.

I'm cheap by nature so I hate seeing the daily rates on some things. $300 a night? EEEEK. But now that I've "bought in" I'll accept $1200 a year and not worry about seeing that sticker shock when I place a reservation at a place like Myrtle or Hilton Head (coming next year). It's already paid for. Leftover points for the year can be rolled into the next. Or you can pull from the next year into the current and grandslam on a big trip in the current year.

It's not for everyone. And it's definitely not a value especially when bought directly from Hilton. But if you hunt for deals and know how to work it for the most point value it's not as horrible as the time share horror stories make it out to be.

One thing different about Hilton is that they have a "First Right of Refusal" on most of their properties. By that it means that if you own their property and want to sell it, Hilton has a chance to buy it back first. How this works is, say you bought that Myrtle Property direct from Hilton for $35,000. Decided you hated it for whatever reason and wanted to dump it. You go to a reseller and get it listed. You just want it gone so you list it for $3,000. A buyer comes in and says "I'll take it!". It first has to go to Hilton to see if they want to buy it. At $3000 and 7000 points Hilton is going to buy that back from you. There's no hard and fast rule on what they will buy back. They tend to be more active at some times of the year and won't exercise it on all properties. But usually if you are looking in the 7000 point, platinum properties expect to pay $1 a point or it's going to get bought by Hilton first.

They won't usually do that on every other year plans, so you see those going for cheap. And the 3400 point deals really don't offer a ton of value to buyers (worst thing you can really buy) so they won't buy those back either.

So what that does for the resale market is gives you a bit of a floor value of what you can get back should you resale your resale after a while. If it's a desirable property there's a good chance you can sell it without too much of a beating since Hilton keeps some check on the property values.

For anyone that cares, here's where I bought from:
http://www.sellingtimeshares.net/

They are one of the biggest Hilton second hand market sellers out there. The owner of that company is very invested in the Hilton system and knows it and the buyback activity very well.
 

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4x? Their cards currently start at 6x. Is it an older card or do the timeshares count towards fewer points? If not you might want to look into the Amex Surpass since its 12x

I went back and checked. It's actually 7x for Hilton brand transactions which my maintenance fees count as. I think I was remembering the intro deal of 4x on all purchases for the first $2000 or something.
 

Anubis

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you pretty much summed up all the reasons we have one. Ours is a Wyndham property but works in pretty much the same exact way. I actually had the numbers wrong when I posted in this thread originally, our first buy in was 8k, 2nd was 15.

I can do a month in Grand Cayman for 1200$, at a property where there are close to zero people. no fighting for beach space, no worry about other people, kids are safe blah blah blah. even going during traditional "high season weeks" there are never more then 50 people there on a mile long beech


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Scarpozzi

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We have a DVC timeshare (Disney Vacation Club) we bought a few years ago when the resale market was at complete bottom. Talk about an absolute steal. It's low points so our maintenance fees are low every year. If we don't use them I can sell them no problem because DVC points are super high demand. Etc. Was a no brainer.

If only I knew then what I know now I would have bought about 5 more of these contracts.
DVC is crazy expensive right now. Staying on property at any of the Deluxe MK or Epcot resorts can be 450-600/night, so a lot of people do the DVC for the discounts. They somehow tell themselves it's cheaper....and maybe it is if you buy like you did.

The up-front cost of all of the vacation clubs are extremely expensive. Only buy them from someone trying to get out of their contracts. It's like buying a used car with 500 miles on it for half price or less...vs a new car with 500 miles on it and paying full price. :D
 

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DVC is crazy expensive right now. Staying on property at any of the Deluxe MK or Epcot resorts can be 450-600/night, so a lot of people do the DVC for the discounts. They somehow tell themselves it's cheaper....and maybe it is if you buy like you did.

Yeah that's one good thing with Hilton. Their properties are very sought after so you get very favorable exchange rates through RCI. You can put in a search to RCI for DVC and get them with some very diligent work. 4800 Hilton points and $200 for the booking. So for me, that would still leave me with 2200 points for the year and cost me about $1400 (RCI fee + yearly maint fee) for a reservation that would run over $4000 for a week. Not a bad deal there if that's something you are looking to do a few times.
 

Imported

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We were considering DVC a few years back.. decided against it for the time being and put it on the back burner.. I'm going to have to look at the HGVC ones after going through this thread.. and secondary market.
 

Ns1

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things I learned from this thread: wait until economy tanks again, then stock up on good timeshares.
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
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things I learned from this thread: wait until economy tanks again, then stock up on good timeshares.
It's always a good time. Think about what's going on right now with the oil industry and how many people are going to be selling off stuff like this in the next year. Keep your eyes open and look for deals. I'm sure there are a ton in Galveston right now.
 

NoTine42

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One problem with the points system, is if you do want to go to the same resort all the time and it is popular it can be very hard to get in. My in-laws were early owners at a resort in Branson (Big Cedar). They've bought up into the higher tiers so they can book sooner. But now that the place is full and has been for a few years, they keep selling it to people (deeding them in Vegas). So now it is very hard for my in laws to get the weeks they want, and it is the only place they ever want to go.

I for one like going different places all the time, so it isn't an issue for me, but it is the only way they vacation.

DVC started an interesting take on guaranteed weeks within a points system on a few new resorts.
You essentially buy 110% of the points you need to book a full week, and every year, your guaranteed week is auto booked.
At any time you can cancel your guaranteed week, and you get all 110% of your points to book like anyone else.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
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4x? Their cards currently start at 6x. Is it an older card or do the timeshares count towards fewer points? If not you might want to look into the Amex Surpass since its 12x



How many years ago? I would be curious to know what the cost of the same place is now. There are many places I was able to go extremely cheaply even two years ago but are significantly more expensive now due to the increase in travelers. For example I've had to come to grips with the fact that I'll probably not be able to return to Live Aqua in a balcony Ocean front room for $215 a night for two people

It was two years ago. Here is the VBRO now: https://www.vrbo.com/677710

I think I paid $135/night and that was in May, but even at $200 a night it's a steal IMO.

I haven't done the all-inclusive thing though, so I've got nothing there.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
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As a non-risk taking midwestern cracker with kids and a spouse that has to book vacation time at least 6+ months out, my vacationing options are somewhat limited to more traditional vacation spots.

Well to be fair I think the Hilton program you're with seems a lot less shady than the timeshare options I'm used to seeing.