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Time Warp: 2004

ayabe

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Gotta love Greenwald, brings the thunder every time.
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"What's most notable about John McCain's confusion over the number of homes he owns isn't merely that it demonstrates that, after running his campaign based on depicting Barack Obama as an out-of-touch elitist and himself as the all-American Everyman, McCain lives a life that is about as far removed from the Average American as one can get, and has done so for decades. What's notable is how McCain was able to live that way. McCain himself isn't actually rich. He just lives off the inherited wealth of his much younger, former mistress and now-second-wife -- for whom he dumped his older and disfigured first wife -- and who then used her family's money to fund his political career and keep him living in extreme luxury (while insisting that he sign a prenuptial agreement, which would make McCain the first U.S. President to have one).

In 2004, numerous leading right-wing pundits had many things to say about men who do that:

Joseph Farah, World Net Daily, "President Gigolo?":

But if there is one characteristic of Kerry's life that should disqualify him absolutely as a candidate for president, it is the fact that he has sought out millionaire wives to take care of him. Not to put too fine a point on it, he's a serial gigolo.

Let me ask you this: How many single women do you know worth a hundred million dollars or more? . . . After raising children with her, Kerry sought and received an annulment of that long-term marriage. Then he married Teresa Heinz Kerry, the widow of a Senate colleague five years his senior. She is worth approximately $500 million.

Is marrying well good preparation for serving as the president of the United States? . . . . He's always had a net underneath him throughout his political career -- in his case, a net woven of homespun 24K gold.

And, once again, as Boteach points out, his second wife, Teresa made him sign a prenuptial agreement when they were wed: "Which begs the question: If his own wife doesn't trust him with her money, why should we trust him with ours?"

Teresa Heinz Kerry is not sure about her husband's character. Are you?

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Rush Limbaugh, throughout 2004:

I mean, [Kerry]'s been there, but he's basically a skirt-chaser, folks. He's a gigolo. . . .Kerry is cheap. Most gigolos are. I mean -- I think it -- I think it goes with the, with the definition. . . .[W]hat do you consider a fair wage? John Kerry considers a fair wage a wife with 500 million. So, he had to find a company that had one. Well, there aren't too many of these companies that have little heiresses running around that are single, have 500 million that some guy can marry into. . . .Because see, Al Gore's daddy was a senator and Al Gore's daddy worked his way up from wealth and power to wealth and power. I mean, he got more of it than anybody ever dreamed of for having as little to go on. I mean, he's one of those old boys. You know how that worked back then. Then John Kerry's daddy is his wives. (laughter) I mean, he's a gigolo. Everybody knows this. There's nobody in our party really has much respect for this guy and you can see it last night, but I can't say that. I mean, you got sugar daddy wife back then. You got sugar daddy wife now. He worked his way up from a blue blood to a platinum American Express card, and it doesn't have his name on it.

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Taki Theodoracopulos, American Conservative, May 24, 2004:

If John Kerry wins in November, he will be the premiere president of this great country of ours to be also a gigolo. The dictionary defines "gigolo" as a man supported by a woman in return for his sexual attentions and companionship. It might sound rough for John Kerry, but it's right to the point. Let?s face it. The 44th president (maybe) is as close to a gigolo as I can think of, and I have known many.

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John F. Cullinan, National Review, July 15, 2004:

To the mayor's ill-considered suggestion that commuters simply work from home, take vacation (on Menino's schedule) or just lighten up, the Boston Herald tartly responded with an editorial aptly headlined DNC to commuters: shut up, stay home. Howie Carr, the most irreverent local political columnist [who routinely referred to Kerry as "Gigolo John" and "Senator Gigolo"], greeted last week's addition of Sen. John Edwards to the Democratic ticket with this puzzler: "For this dynamic duo" ? helpfully identified as "the gigolo and the ambulance chaser" ? "all of Boston is to be placed under house arrest for four days later this month?
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Somehow, the deep stupidity of our political discourse actually manages to escalate during presidential campaigns, becoming even more vapid and idiotic than normal. But, as I argued continuously when I did my book tour in April and May for Great American Hypocrites, this is the kind of campaign the GOP runs every election and in which they specialize, and there are only two options for Democrats in response: (1) purport to "rise above it" and thus ensure that they get slaughtered in a one-sided, one-way War of Personality Demonization which renders issues irrelevant (hence: the all-American Everyman War Hero versus the rich, out-of-touch, effete elitist), or (2) attack the GOP candidate using the same lowly character themes in order to neutralize the attacks and prevent the election from being decided on these grounds. It's good to see the Obama campaign, finally, engaging these issues aggressively. As I wrote in my book:

The reason why this has worked is that there are almost never any attacks on these myths, no aggressive examination of the real lives of these leaders. Critics of Republicans shy away from these themes. There is a squeamishness to use their own weapons against them. . . . It needs to be shoved into the media's faces and into our public discourse how false and deceitful and artificial are these "Republican Values" and personality attributes that they concoct for themselves. To do that, the most prominent right-wing political leaders need to be put under a microscope -- their actual lives and beliefs -- to show how lacking they really are in the virtues they claim to exude and revere.

There needs to be a lot more focus of this sort on John McCain's "character," given that, from now until November, no matter what Obama does, the Rovian disciples managing John McCain's candidacy will ensure his campaign is about little other than these sorts of slimy, personality-based, Freak Show attacks on Obama. It's what the GOP does and it's what the media is capable of disseminating.

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There are a few other quotes in there.

So suddenly a "gigolo" is qualified to be POTUS?

I would love Rush to come out and defend McCain's pre-nup.

 

nageov3t

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the charge that McCain "dumped" his first wife because someone younger and richer came along is beyond absurd.

why is it ok to do something just because the opposition did it too four years ago? aren't we supposed to be better than Rush and co?
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the charge that McCain "dumped" his first wife because someone younger and richer came along is beyond absurd.

Why? Shit like this happens all the time...
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: loki8481
the charge that McCain "dumped" his first wife because someone younger and richer came along is beyond absurd.

Why? Shit like this happens all the time...

because we can never know his motivations and he seemed pretty sincere when he called the failure of his first marriage his greatest personal moral failure.

it seems reasonable to think, though, that after 5+ years apart, his relationship with his wife was fundamentally changed after he returned from vietnam.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the charge that McCain "dumped" his first wife because someone younger and richer came along is beyond absurd.

why is it ok to do something just because the opposition did it too four years ago? aren't we supposed to be better than Rush and co?

It's not okay and I never advocated using this against McCain.

This is merely pointing out that different rules apply to the partisan hacks out there.

Marrying into money is not a legitimate reason to disqualify someone from being POTUS, but it seemed to be for Kerry.

 

sandorski

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Hehe. It's amazing how often previous words of these numbskulls come back to haunt them. "It's better to be thought an Idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: lupi
Who cares that Kerry or Mccain bagged a rich one?

Guys like Rush did when Kerry was running in 2004 and remain silent now.

It's not the fact that the candidates married rich or they have pre nups. Thats their private business. It the hypocrisy of people like Rush thats disgusting.


 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the charge that McCain "dumped" his first wife because someone younger and richer came along is beyond absurd.

why is it ok to do something just because the opposition did it too four years ago? aren't we supposed to be better than Rush and co?

All is fair in love and war. Politics is most certainly war, and therefore you cannot really fault them to stooping down to this. You might have a false image of one side being better than the other, but in reality both parties are really the same party so you?re going to have to get used to this crap.

What you see in one you will see in the other.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: loki8481
[he seemed pretty sincere when he called the failure of his first marriage his greatest personal moral failure.
Yeah I'd say dumping your wife for a younger richer woman is a moral failure.

 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: loki8481
the charge that McCain "dumped" his first wife because someone younger and richer came along is beyond absurd.
Why? Shit like this happens all the time...
because we can never know his motivations and he seemed pretty sincere when he called the failure of his first marriage his greatest personal moral failure.
I don't get your point here, loki; what could be a greater personal moral failure than dumping your first wife for someone younger, prettier and filthy rich?

it seems reasonable to think, though, that after 5+ years apart, his relationship with his wife was fundamentally changed after he returned from vietnam...
...and after she was disfigured in an automobile accident...




FWIW, I don't hold any of this against Senator McCain. His marital (and extramarital) affairs are his own business. I will, however, admit sharing ayabe's bemusement at watching the Republican moralists rationalize their support for a Republican after trashing a Democrat for the very same cause.

edit: damn!! Red Dawn beat me to it!
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: loki8481
disfigured? she, like, had a limp.

And she turned into a fatty. McCain hates fatties.

At least she didn't smother her face in make-up like a trollop. :Q


Just to reiterate that I think these sorts of things are wholly irrelevant. It's just a manufactured issue with an extremely narrow focus and shelf life.