Time Warner Caves to the public

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Please present some evidence to support a technical need for usage caps. From what I'm hearing, it's simply both a cash grab by Time Warner, and a mechanism to protect their cable (television) business model from competition from other online sources like Hulu and Netflix.

Real easy. Water, power all take supporting infrastructure to finally deliver it to you home, it really is much easier if you think of it as a series of tubes progressively getting bigger as you move from you house, to a modem, onto other bigger and bigger lines. Those bigger lines cost a shit ton of money in hardware, capacity and upgrade - a HUGE amount of money.

Now imagine if your house and your neighborhood doubled how much water/power it used every two years and what it would take to support that on up the chain of tubes. Imagine if every house, every neighborhood you served doubled it's usage every 2 years...just imagine that because that's reality. There has to be a way to control that (or fund the upgrades necessary, across the board, everywhere) otherwise you'd be forklift upgrading everything every 3 year and that gear hasn't fully depreciated yet. Meaning even if you replaced it you're still paying for the gear that was replaced. Now you're paying twice because the gear is still on the books.

 

[boomhower]

Thank god. I was not looking forward to redoing my whole set-up. I really like their cable and HD equipment. The installers I have delt with a on time and good guys. Internet and phone have worked very well with almost no downtime. That said I would have dropped slower DSL with Vonage and Direct TV without a second thought.

If you want a cap I am fine with it. Use reasonable caps at reasonable rates with all you can eat during off hours. Even more silimliar to cell plans. Let the pirateers do their thing at night when other use is lite. Give enough bandwidth that netflixer's and hulu'ers are not being crippled. This can be done where most poeple will not be largely affected. The caps are still comming just not right now. The dialog needs to begin of what we want from a cap. You have seen what you let them pick terms.

 

[aceO07]

Looking at my router's stats, the lowest day is 600MB and the avg day is 1300-1500MB. This is WITHOUT bittorrent. Mostly normal web surfing, hulu, youtube, streaming radio, conference videos. I'm on hulu a lot and sometimes leave it playing since I don't have a TV. So for this month of April, it's around 20GB and there's still 2 weeks to go. It'll really cut close to 40GB if not over. Also Ubuntu 904 will be out this month, so I will have 1.5GB extra to download when that comes out. Oh yea, I'm the ONE person really using this account. Also I work, so my normal internet usage times are after 6pm and on weekends.

So for doing regular internet stuff, I will hit the top level plan and probably go over. For people with roommates/families, they would most likely go over too.

 

[ballmode]

HELL YEAH

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: aceO07
Looking at my router's stats, the lowest day is 600MB and the avg day is 1300-1500MB. This is WITHOUT bittorrent. Mostly normal web surfing, hulu, youtube, streaming radio, conference videos. I'm on hulu a lot and sometimes leave it playing since I don't have a TV. So for this month of April, it's around 20GB and there's still 2 weeks to go. It'll really cut close to 40GB if not over. Also Ubuntu 904 will be out this month, so I will have 1.5GB extra to download when that comes out. Oh yea, I'm the ONE person really using this account. Also I work, so my normal internet usage times are after 6pm and on weekends.

So for doing regular internet stuff, I will hit the top level plan and probably go over. For people with roommates/families, they would most likely go over too.

Newsflash - a single person uses less resources than a family. Just like water, just like electricity. Also newsflash - electricity usage grows in the evening and on weekends.

 

[Old Hippie]

Also newsflash - electricity usage grows in the evening and on weekends.

Then why is it soo much cheaper at those times?

The time-of-use option charges customers lower delivery prices for electricity used during the hours of lower electric demand ("off-peak hours" ? evenings, weekends and most holidays) and higher prices during periods of higher electric demand ("peak hours" ?weekdays).

The mill where I worked had power demand limiters that would idle equipment during daylight hours when we were about to go over our "Cap". You could run balls-out durning the evening and weekends.

It really doesn't matter.

The caps were outta pocket and they got the message.

Now let's see how well they listened.

 

[Phokus]

Oh hey, spidey spouting more bullsh*t in a twc thread, what are the odds?!?!

 

[Pegun]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Please present some evidence to support a technical need for usage caps. From what I'm hearing, it's simply both a cash grab by Time Warner, and a mechanism to protect their cable (television) business model from competition from other online sources like Hulu and Netflix.

Real easy. Water, power all take supporting infrastructure to finally deliver it to you home, it really is much easier if you think of it as a series of tubes progressively getting bigger as you move from you house, to a modem, onto other bigger and bigger lines. Those bigger lines cost a shit ton of money in hardware, capacity and upgrade - a HUGE amount of money.

Now imagine if your house and your neighborhood doubled how much water/power it used every two years and what it would take to support that on up the chain of tubes. Imagine if every house, every neighborhood you served doubled it's usage every 2 years...just imagine that because that's reality. There has to be a way to control that (or fund the upgrades necessary, across the board, everywhere) otherwise you'd be forklift upgrading everything every 3 year and that gear hasn't fully depreciated yet. Meaning even if you replaced it you're still paying for the gear that was replaced. Now you're paying twice because the gear is still on the books.

Yes but this HUGE amount of money that they need to do upgrades is already being paid to them and they are pocketing it. You know that 4 BILLION dollars they made in profits last year? That's more than enough to start putting in these upgrades in major metropolitan networks.

 

[swbsam]

I absolutely love that pissy internet geeks CAN make a difference. Bravo to everyone that had a part in this victory, usage based broadband would have hindered technology's pace, and that would have been almost tragic during a recession

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: aceO07
Looking at my router's stats, the lowest day is 600MB and the avg day is 1300-1500MB. This is WITHOUT bittorrent. Mostly normal web surfing, hulu, youtube, streaming radio, conference videos. I'm on hulu a lot and sometimes leave it playing since I don't have a TV. So for this month of April, it's around 20GB and there's still 2 weeks to go. It'll really cut close to 40GB if not over. Also Ubuntu 904 will be out this month, so I will have 1.5GB extra to download when that comes out. Oh yea, I'm the ONE person really using this account. Also I work, so my normal internet usage times are after 6pm and on weekends.

So for doing regular internet stuff, I will hit the top level plan and probably go over. For people with roommates/families, they would most likely go over too.

Newsflash - a single person uses less resources than a family. Just like water, just like electricity. Also newsflash - electricity usage grows in the evening and on weekends.

Newsflash, I dont pay $45 a month for water even if i dont use it. I pay for what I use ONLY. Why dont they do that model? My water company still pays for infrastructure just like they do. Oh, whats that? They are regulated and cant get as greedy....