BrokenVisage
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Well if you want to be snarky about it ("you people"...:roll
, how much DOES bandwidth cost? Break that down on a per GB level.Time Warner believes that their bandwidth is worth at least $1.15 a GB for most people. Does that seem like the right price? Because I think it is an insane price.
I've seen it through multiple providers of hosting, but will use Rackspace as an example.
BANDWIDTH Out $0.22/GB
BANDWIDTH In $0.08/GB
That is ALL I CAN EAT BANDWIDTH at that price.
If I wanted to cheap out and go through a few more setup hassles I can throw myself onto the ol' Amazon Cloud (EC2) at these bandwidth rates:
Data Transfer In
All Data Transfer $0.10 per GB
Data Transfer Out
First 10 TB per Month $0.17 per GB
Next 40 TB per Month $0.13 per GB
Next 100TB per Month $0.11 per GB
Over 150 TB per Month $0.10 per GB
So tell me, how much is your bandwidth worth? If Bandwidth was expensive the multimedia web as we know it wouldn't exist. Look up how much data a year youtube shifts and their bandwidth costs.
You know what? Don't Bother. I'll do it for you with the most recent stats I can find with accuracy. Youtube Circa 2006.
Youtube = 25 Petabytes per month x 12 = 300 Petabytes a year.
At one point Limelight Networks was providing services for Youtube. Monthly revenue for the company: $4.7M USD/month, no doubt a large portion from Youtube.
If they would pay $0.05 per GB/month the bandwidth cost would be $1.2M USD/month. Though they probably have $5 Mbps/month price with their volumes and in that case the cost would be around $385k USD/month.
AnonymouseUser
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- May 14, 2003
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I've only been with TWC since February, but I may very well do this soon. Just checked and Earthlink is available here.
Homerboy
Lifer
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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Well if you want to be snarky about it ("you people"...:roll
Time Warner believes that their bandwidth is worth at least $1.15 a GB for most people. Does that seem like the right price? Because I think it is an insane price.
I've seen it through multiple providers of hosting, but will use Rackspace as an example.
BANDWIDTH Out $0.22/GB
BANDWIDTH In $0.08/GB
That is ALL I CAN EAT BANDWIDTH at that price.
If I wanted to cheap out and go through a few more setup hassles I can throw myself onto the ol' Amazon Cloud (EC2) at these bandwidth rates:
Data Transfer In
All Data Transfer $0.10 per GB
Data Transfer Out
First 10 TB per Month $0.17 per GB
Next 40 TB per Month $0.13 per GB
Next 100TB per Month $0.11 per GB
Over 150 TB per Month $0.10 per GB
So tell me, how much is your bandwidth worth? If Bandwidth was expensive the multimedia web as we know it wouldn't exist. Look up how much data a year youtube shifts and their bandwidth costs.
You know what? Don't Bother. I'll do it for you with the most recent stats I can find with accuracy. Youtube Circa 2006.
Youtube = 25 Petabytes per month x 12 = 300 Petabytes a year.
At one point Limelight Networks was providing services for Youtube. Monthly revenue for the company: $4.7M USD/month, no doubt a large portion from Youtube.
If they would pay $0.05 per GB/month the bandwidth cost would be $1.2M USD/month. Though they probably have $5 Mbps/month price with their volumes and in that case the cost would be around $385k USD/month.
Wow I struck a nerve I guess.
I started typing up a lengthy rebuttal, but its not worth it. You have valid points, and so do I. I stated earlier that I do not enjoy the caps, let alone these insanely (and yes wrongfully low) caps they are toying with. But I can understand their need to start capping. Trust me, as a RR user for 10years and usenet binaries for even longer I will personally be affected by these caps if they ever hit my home.
There are alternative providers in many/most locations TW services. I can just to AT&T U-Verse if I wanted to.... there are other local DSL providers in my area too. Many have similar options at their disposal too. Not all... I'm not saying that.
Spidey07 hit it on the nail too... Unlimited internet access is hardly a "right" that anyone has. I don't recall that in the Constitution anywhere. Internet is a utility, and like all utilities you will (someday soon I imagine) be paying for it on a per-usage basis.
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Well if you want to be snarky about it ("you people"...:roll
Time Warner believes that their bandwidth is worth at least $1.15 a GB for most people. Does that seem like the right price? Because I think it is an insane price.
I've seen it through multiple providers of hosting, but will use Rackspace as an example.
BANDWIDTH Out $0.22/GB
BANDWIDTH In $0.08/GB
That is ALL I CAN EAT BANDWIDTH at that price.
If I wanted to cheap out and go through a few more setup hassles I can throw myself onto the ol' Amazon Cloud (EC2) at these bandwidth rates:
Data Transfer In
All Data Transfer $0.10 per GB
Data Transfer Out
First 10 TB per Month $0.17 per GB
Next 40 TB per Month $0.13 per GB
Next 100TB per Month $0.11 per GB
Over 150 TB per Month $0.10 per GB
So tell me, how much is your bandwidth worth? If Bandwidth was expensive the multimedia web as we know it wouldn't exist. Look up how much data a year youtube shifts and their bandwidth costs.
You know what? Don't Bother. I'll do it for you with the most recent stats I can find with accuracy. Youtube Circa 2006.
Youtube = 25 Petabytes per month x 12 = 300 Petabytes a year.
At one point Limelight Networks was providing services for Youtube. Monthly revenue for the company: $4.7M USD/month, no doubt a large portion from Youtube.
If they would pay $0.05 per GB/month the bandwidth cost would be $1.2M USD/month. Though they probably have $5 Mbps/month price with their volumes and in that case the cost would be around $385k USD/month.
Wow I struck a nerve I guess.
I started typing up a lengthy rebuttal, but its not worth it. You have valid points, and so do I. I stated earlier that I do not enjoy the caps, let alone these insanely (and yes wrongfully low) caps they are toying with. But I can understand their need to start capping. Trust me, as a RR user for 10years and usenet binaries for even longer I will personally be affected by these caps if they ever hit my home.
There are alternative providers in many/most locations TW services. I can just to AT&T U-Verse if I wanted to.... there are other local DSL providers in my area too. Many have similar options at their disposal too. Not all... I'm not saying that.
Spidey07 hit it on the nail too... Unlimited internet access is hardly a "right" that anyone has. I don't recall that in the Constitution anywhere. Internet is a utility, and like all utilities you will (someday soon I imagine) be paying for it on a per-usage basis.
Not a nerve as just an assumption that someone disgusted by their bandwidth pricing doesn't understand.
I don't think that anyone has a right to free bandwidth, but I also think that Time Warner and other major cable companies are crossing a ethical line by clamping too tightly with bandwidth caps when HUGE chunks of their infrastructure has been funded by the American Public through bill, after bill, after bill designed to bring broadband to the public.
I love web applications, and the ease of development / use that comes with many of them. I'd just hate for America (a leading nation in technological entrepreneurship) to be put into a relative "dark ages" by these Luddites.
AnonymouseUser
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Raduque
Lifer
- Aug 22, 2004
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Yes, because you see, TW would rather you not purchase from iTunes or watch on Hulu - instead, watch your expensive DVR and purchase movies from their overpriced "On Demand!" service.
I tried this. Verizon can't find my address, and Grande doesn't cover this new-ish development yet.
I hate TWC.
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Not a nerve as just an assumption that someone disgusted by their bandwidth pricing doesn't understand.
I don't think that anyone has a right to free bandwidth, but I also think that Time Warner and other major cable companies are crossing a ethical line by clamping too tightly with bandwidth caps when HUGE chunks of their infrastructure has been funded by the American Public through bill, after bill, after bill designed to bring broadband to the public.
I love web applications, and the ease of development / use that comes with many of them. I'd just hate for America (a leading nation in technological entrepreneurship) to be put into a relative "dark ages" by these Luddites.
You can't use your figures though for network capacity/bandwidth. Data Centers are easy to provide tons of bandwidth because it's all contained to a single place. Distance is what drives up costs (the interfaces, the optics, the sonet muxes, etc). For short distances 10 gig optics are only like 2000 bucks. You wanna go more than a few kilometers and now you're talking $200,000 PER INTERFACE.
So it isn't a valid comparison at all.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Not a nerve as just an assumption that someone disgusted by their bandwidth pricing doesn't understand.
I don't think that anyone has a right to free bandwidth, but I also think that Time Warner and other major cable companies are crossing a ethical line by clamping too tightly with bandwidth caps when HUGE chunks of their infrastructure has been funded by the American Public through bill, after bill, after bill designed to bring broadband to the public.
I love web applications, and the ease of development / use that comes with many of them. I'd just hate for America (a leading nation in technological entrepreneurship) to be put into a relative "dark ages" by these Luddites.
You can't use your figures though for network capacity/bandwidth. Data Centers are easy to provide tons of bandwidth because it's all contained to a single place. Distance is what drives up costs (the interfaces, the optics, the sonet muxes, etc). For short distances 10 gig optics are only like 2000 bucks. You wanna go more than a few kilometers and now you're talking $200,000 PER INTERFACE.
So it isn't a valid comparison at all.
Actually spidey, you are starting to talk about the infrastructure which is paid for by the good old American tax payer.
I just used relative amount anyway as you don't really end up paying by the GB as a huge business.
AnonymouseUser
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spidey07, you are completely missing the point (though you may be fully aware and are just tap-dancing around the real issue in their defence).
The sole reason for these ridiculous caps is because of an internal conflict of interest between TW's internet and content delivery services.
The sole reason for these ridiculous caps is because of an internal conflict of interest between TW's internet and content delivery services.
No, that is NOT the reason. It makes for a nice conspiracy theory but I work in this industry building/designing these networks and get to see first hand just how expensive it is to provide these kinds of speeds. Now I don't have any direct experience with time warner's networks but they are all basically the same. The all you can eat model is going to die, you cannot remain profitable at these prices with the explosion of video.
TWC made heavy capital investments in CMTS systems prior to docsis 3.0, comcast did not and chose to wait. Comcast now has capital to roll out docsis 3.0 systems because their edge gear was already fully depreciated. In order for TWC to increase CAPEX they would be paying twice for gear because most of their stuff is still on the books.
Basically comcast's network is better because of timing and economies of scale.
Hyperlite
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- May 25, 2004
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this is OT, but http://codebox.no-ip.net/controller?page=bitmeter2 Bitmeter is what i use to monitor bandwidth. You can display uptime, total up/down usage, daily, weekly, monthly usage, usage alerts and notifications, remote monitoring....i use it more out of curiosity than necessity, but it's a great program.
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The TWC decision is not going over well with consumers.
http://www.dslreports.com/show...le-Metered-Plan-101711
People are rallying around site like this:
http://stoptwc.info/
Wonder how long it will take for a press release "It was just an idea , we were not going to really implement, it was just testing"
http://www.dslreports.com/show...le-Metered-Plan-101711
People are rallying around site like this:
http://stoptwc.info/
Wonder how long it will take for a press release "It was just an idea , we were not going to really implement, it was just testing"
SparkyJJO
Lifer
- May 16, 2002
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I just downloaded it. I don't think it does. It can be set to monitor a particular adapter but I think it is all data through that adapter.
My connection routes through a host machine > router > switch > computers (convoluted explanation for this weird setup). I put bitmeter on the host machine, so 99.9% of the data on its NICs is internet traffic.
And so far, in only a few hours I've used 71MB. Nothing illegal, all just web pages, a small driver download, few youtube videos, etc.
God Mode
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- Jul 2, 2005
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AD driven companies like google to sites like anand will be affected severely. I'm very surprised big companies of its kind and those like hulu, netflix arent doing more to put an end to this. Say goodbye to large windows updates and patches. Say bye to downloading your purchased games from steam.
EarthwormJim
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I don't understand why they don't get into the streaming internet tv business then too. They already have the content, what more could they need?
As long as they are getting ad revenue, why do they care if I get the same content through my cable box or cable modem.
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