Time to write in Ron Paul

[Steeplerot]

LMAO!

:hmm:

...did I get drunk with you at a bar last weekend? :hmm:

Doubtful, as I am on the wagon lately. But we should go find Moonie and Craig and go stick a shitton of Obama signs on Monovillages lawn.

Maybe leave him some "Socialist Worker" papers on his doorstep lol

I kid mods, but its has been awhile since we had a Bay Area P&N shindig.

 

[Juror No. 8]

I'm the one who needs to wake up lol. Voting isn't the only way others and myself are working towards changing the "system". It's simply one avenue.

LOL. This is True Believer talk. All voting does is play right into the hands of the ruling oligarchs, since they possess a virtual monopoly on the flow of information that determines elections. They can also fund and direct third, fourth, and fifth parties just as easily as they fund and direct the two major parties.

They love it when you vote, because it keeps people like you in the mindset that you have some measure of control when you truly have none at all. It's far more beneficial for them to keep you in a state of "hope and change" than it is if you wake up and realize you can't use an illegitimate mechanism such voting to legitimize an illegitimate system.

Also, I think things would change if we got ANY non Republican or Democrat into the Oval Office. It would reveal the true colors of our rulers as they work together to squash the people like they have been for over a hundred years.

How is anything going to change when the corporate media dictates the narrative? Do you honestly believe the American people are going to turn off their TVs and satellite radios long enough to figure out the fact that they've been brought up to believe in a huge lie?

LOL. Get real.

What you need to realize is that playing along gets you no where except the continuation of the game. I refuse to play along...

LOL, yes, you "refuse to play along" by voting for any politician the system tells you is a supposed outsider.

...you and your kind are more than welcome to try and force me, though I doubt either of us would enjoy the outcome.

Force? Who said anything about force? Aren't you the guy who was talking about getting violent with people earlier in the thread?

 

[sportage]

Time to write in Ron Paul???
Where? On my hit list?

 

[bfdd]

Juror, you seriously are making no sense. How am I playing into their game by using my voice? Casting a vote for Gary Johnson on a ballot is basically the same thing to me as me going on twitter and promoting Gary Johnson or my ideals. I really see no difference so this whole argument from you is just dumb. There are other ways besides voting we can change the world around us. I will continue to participate in the voting process, when options I approve arise, because why not? Do I lose anything? No. Do I gain anything? From my perspective, yes I do. I gain the knowledge of knowing I've shared my voice.

You want revolution? Start one, but I won't fight your war and I won't encourage anyone else to either.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Doubtful, as I am on the wagon lately. But we should go find Moonie and Craig and go stick a shitton of Obama signs on Monovillages lawn.

Maybe leave him some "Socialist Worker" papers on his doorstep lol

I kid mods, but its has been awhile since we had a Bay Area P&N shindig.

in a society of 7 billion people The only way forward is socialism . You would have to be a total retarded moron to think other wise.
AT the same time what kinda of socialist society we live under. Means living and dieing for me. As well as most of you.
A sociality of 7+billion people requires a massive infer structure. AS well as governing. You think one of us will be governing your out of your fucking mind. You think we can best the 1% your out of your fucking mind. You think obama is the man who will rise the poor from were they STAY. You are out of your fucking mind. Same Applies to Romney.. STOP smell the roses enjjoy them well you can . You think you well be allowed to destroy this LIVING Planet Your out of your Fucking Mind . Alot of People Believe Earths lover is at the door. I can scream at you the answer in three easy words. FACE YOUR FEAR. But it falls on deeth ears

 

[SlitheryDee]

The best thing you can do is forget about the idea of "wasting your vote" for someone who "could never win anyway". That idea has always played into the bipartisan system's hands. Vote for your individual interests. Do not compromise them by accounting for the candidate that everyone else might vote for.

That's not going to happen this election for most people, but I've decided to do it for every election from now on. I'll be voting for my candidate, not my party's candidate. How else is it going to happen, unless people buckle down and ignore the "vote with the party" shit? Am I going to wait for it to become some kind of movement and follow along, or am I going to just do it?

 

[bfdd]

in a society of 7 billion people The only way forward is socialism . You would have to be a total retarded moron to think other wise.
AT the same time what kinda of socialist society we live under. Means living and dieing for me. As well as most of you.
A sociality of 7+billion people requires a massive infer structure. AS well as governing. You think one of us will be governing your out of your fucking mind. You think we can best the 1% your out of your fucking mind. You think obama is the man who will rise the poor from were they STAY. You are out of your fucking mind. Same Applies to Romney.. STOP smell the roses enjjoy them well you can . You think you well be allowed to destroy this LIVING Planet Your out of your Fucking Mind . Alot of People Believe Earths lover is at the door. I can scream at you the answer in three easy words. FACE YOUR FEAR. But it falls on deeth ears

So you support central planners on the grand scale? Well of course you do, you're obsessed with God.

 

[Steeplerot]

So you support central planners on the grand scale? Well of course you do, you're obsessed with God.

Heh, the human creation of a god is literally a projection of a authoritarian daddy-knows-best fantasy. One that is damn easy to manipulate, and never...ever seems to have enough money. (although supposedly omnipotent)

A very convenient tool for those with power.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Juror does bring up valid points. I have stated before that I would actually be afraid for Ron Paul's life if he did get elected, that is if he tried to affect the changes he proposes. Or he would be bent to the system to avoid the death sentence.

Also, I do admit that the voting game is obviously a front to make everyone think they have a voice, when in fact we don't.

I still am undecided whether or not I am actually going to vote, if I do, I will write in Ron Paul, but if I don't it will be, because I am tired of playing the game. Shit is going to happen in this country regardless of my personal beliefs, and the only power I have is that to affect the world immediately around me, and even that can be denied to me in the blink of an eye if someone else so chooses.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Heh, the human creation of a god is literally a projection of a authoritarian daddy-knows-best fantasy. One that is damn easy to manipulate, and never...ever seems to have enough money. (although supposedly omnipotent)

A very convenient tool for those with power.

Replace 'God' with 'Government' and its not so much different is it?

 

[Steeplerot]

Replace 'God' with 'Government' and its not so much different is it?

Not really, you can actually provide a receipt for voting.

Many real world good folks work and make government happen with real results. Yes, it does have faults. But like a religious person if it doesent fit your agenda, you cant/wont see it. A big part of the problem.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Replace 'God' with 'Government' and its not so much different is it?

"But, but, but... Government is real, God isn't! Government watches over us and protects us! Government answers our prayers! You just have to believe in and heed the word of Government to be saved!"

Government and God = Two religious sides to the same collectivist coin

 

[Juror No. 8]

Not really, you can actually provide a receipt for voting.

LOL. You can also get a receipt for the ticket you purchased to a WWE professional wrestling event, but that doesn't necessarily mean your support for one wrestler over another will have any bearing on the outcome.

You can cheer and "vote" all you want, but the outcome will still be decided backstage by the owners and promoters.

Many real world good folks work and make government happen with real results.

Like what, for instance? Do you mean all those brown people we kill overseas so that they too can live under the same corporate-controlled "freedom and democracy" we live under? Or do you mean all the hundreds of thousands of non-violent offenders we put in rape cages for the non-crime of "possession" of a plant?

Gee, what wonderful results!

Yes, it does have faults. But like a religious person if it doesent fit your agenda, you cant/wont see it. A big part of the problem.

Why should the agenda of government, which is to lord over and control the lives of other people, be a part of any non-psychopath's agenda?

 

[zinfamous]

Doubtful, as I am on the wagon lately. But we should go find Moonie and Craig and go stick a shitton of Obama signs on Monovillages lawn.

Maybe leave him some "Socialist Worker" papers on his doorstep lol

I kid mods, but its has been awhile since we had a Bay Area P&N shindig.

whatthewhat?

are you around here?

I know some of us attempted--and failed miserably--to get something together about 3 years ago. :\

 

[Incorruptible]

It is time that more Americans listen to Ron Paul. He predicted the recession and how Americans would lose their liberty and he was right on the important issues like Iraq/Afghanistan, Iran/Israel and big government.

He is one of the only politicians who doesn't answer to corporations and people still keep voting for politicians who will screw them.

If obama or romney wins then it will not be good for America

 

[Steeplerot]

whatthewhat?

are you around here?

I know some of us attempted--and failed miserably--to get something together about 3 years ago. :\

Live in SF near the big building with furniture/couches/TV hanging off of it. You probably know the one.

Don't want to release more details in public, as the capitalists in here will never leave and steal all the ice cream/tp rolls from the Secret SF HQ if they find out.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

One thing about right wingers...their rhetoric is a great gauge of how they run things. This says a lot more about Friedman and his Neo-Trotskyist ilk then anyone else really.

Reactionaries depend on a disillusioned superficial populace to spread ignorance, this is why Neo-Trots are so anti-education and wish to stifle workers rights in favor of power. (capital)

Again where will we find these angels to run this utopian workers paradise? You can spew your naive neo-communist babble about other people being delusional, superficial, etc about the "truth" path but you have yet to provide a real answer to this fundamental question.

In retrospect one of the greatest aspects about the founding fathers of this country is that they knew that there are no angels among men especially in government. They understood that any form of government should never have significant power over the daily lives of individuals. They understood that government needed to be kept on a tight leash with a system of checks and balances because absent this system of checks and balances government would quickly devolve into a tyrannical authoritative government run by self-interested leaders because man by nature acts for his/her own self-interest as can be seen in many of the "Worker Paradises" across the world and through history.