Time to swap my BFG 6800?

[nRollo]

The problems with this thread:

1. It teaches others to steal in this fashion. (i.e. If I figure out a way to collect welfare checks fraudulently and do it, I've cheated the govt. out of the value of my checks. If I post it on the internet, I've potentially cheated the govt. out of many people's checks)

2. It creates a "everybody does it" form of cultural acceptance. If people here don't call this what it is and decry it, others believe there is no reason not to steal in this fashion. (much like racism, if we allowed people to post neo-nazi propaganda without those of us who believe it's wrong saying so, readers may think we approve)

3. The idea that as it hasn't been done yet, there is nothing to object to:

A thief is someone who has stolen something. I have not stolen anything

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...9936&enterthread=y

This is like posting "I'm planning to rape my neighbor's wife, I don't like her, and I don't care what anyone says", then "Leave me alone! I haven't raped anyone!" when people cry "foul".

We have freedom of speech, part of that is accepting that people may object when you say something really stupid or immoral.

 

[caivoma]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Renob
You killed your card, dumb $hit and voided your warranty.

Time to be a man and BUY a new one.

your name is boner backwards.

Watch out for the Kinky Mod.

kinky like a chain or kinky like a whip?

pretty sure that mod will chained you down and whip you

 

[OnEMoReTrY]

I know that most of you think this is wrong, me included, however how many of you wouldn't try to RMA after simply overclocking? Overclocking is against warranty. You all talk big, but when it comes to your 400 bux what would you do?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
I know that most of you think this is wrong, me included, however how many of you wouldn't try to RMA after simply overclocking? Overclocking is against warranty. You all talk big, but when it comes to your 400 bux what would you do?

I'd do the same thing? My honor isn't worth a measly $400???????

I made a Gander Mountain cashier re-do my charges even after he reviewed them and said they were right, and cost myself over $400 a couple Christmases ago. So I don't just "talk big", I try to live like an honest man because I know society needs this to survive.

If we all steal and take advantage like this, the end result for all of us is bad. The system depends on the vast majority of us not being scummy low life thieves to work.

 

[jEnus]

How about this scenerio.

How Do I know this card wasn't borken (gpu or ram) when I purchased it . . Thinking that the heat was the problem I tried to narrow down the possibilities by substituting the orig HS w/ a NV5? Does that change the fact?

The main idea here is the card has always had some problems and seeing threads in regards to BFG/Orig HS/Heat I tried to resolve this problem on my own. There is nothing wrong with that as all of us do this.

 

[Renob]

I know that most of you think this is wrong, me included, however how many of you wouldn't try to RMA after simply overclocking? Overclocking is against warranty. You all talk big, but when it comes to your 400 bux what would you do?


It was not a matter of simply overclocking, he removed the HSF unit and put on a new one. It sounds like he damaged the GPU. That is a whole other can of worms he opened up.

That being said I have been overclocking for years and have never seen just a straight OC kill a cpu/gpu unless you got real crazy and cranked it way up while bumping the voltage and not keeping it cool temp wise.

Its tuff to step up to the plate and hit a home run when it comes to $400 for most people, Im lucky I have not been on that boat but I like to think I would do the right thing if I were there.


I think for me doing the right thing has become easy the older I get 37yo now, I can say that when I was 21 it was easy to just say screw it, Im going to send it back for a new one.

How Do I know this card wasn't borken (gpu or ram) when I purchased it . . Thinking that the heat was the problem I tried to narrow down the possibilities by substituting the orig HS w/ a NV5? Does that change the fact?

I call Bull $hit to that, you should of NEVER removed the HSF you new it voided the warranty, you should of RMAed right from the start.

 

[jEnus]

Originally posted by: Renob
I know that most of you think this is wrong, me included, however how many of you wouldn't try to RMA after simply overclocking? Overclocking is against warranty. You all talk big, but when it comes to your 400 bux what would you do?


It was not a matter of simply overclocking, he removed the HSF unit and put on a new one. It sounds like he damaged the GPU. That is a whole other can of worms he opened up.

That being said I have been overclocking for years and have never seen just a straight OC kill a cpu/gpu unless you got real crazy and cranked it way up while bumping the voltage and not keeping it cool temp wise.

Its tuff to step up to the plate and hit a home run when it comes to $400 for most people, Im lucky I have not been on that boat but I like to think I would do the right thing if I were there.


I think for me doing the right thing has become easy the older I get 37yo now, I can say that when I was 21 it was easy to just say screw it, Im going to send it back for a new one.

Just to clear something up, I have not OC'ed.

 

[Renob]

Just to clear something up, I have not OC'ed.

Thats clear.

Now on to its easy to damage the GPU while putting on a new HSF.

If you new there was someting going on with the card you should of called for an rma.

That is the Bottom Line.

 

[gururu]

jEnus. Do what you got to do. Even if what you are doing is not only morally reprehensible, but criminal. You aren't going to get any love on the subject. As for myself, I think large companies have endured worse.

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
I know that most of you think this is wrong, me included, however how many of you wouldn't try to RMA after simply overclocking? Overclocking is against warranty. You all talk big, but when it comes to your 400 bux what would you do?

I'd do the same thing? My honor isn't worth a measly $400???????

I made a Gander Mountain cashier re-do my charges even after he reviewed them and said they were right, and cost myself over $400 a couple Christmases ago. So I don't just "talk big", I try to live like an honest man because I know society needs this to survive.

If we all steal and take advantage like this, the end result for all of us is bad. The system depends on the vast majority of us not being scummy low life thieves to work.

I know that this is wrong but doesnt this show a fault with the system? I mean, this damage is accidental but a breach of warranty. Its probably possible for him to fix it back together and actually get a new card back.

I think that this shows that manufacturers need to introduce some security measures to stop the legit and honest amongst us paying for the greed and idiocy of certain people like the OP.

Ive been lucky or unlucky as it may be that Ive never had to RMA something. Id be gutted if my RMA request was legitimate and I had to wait an extra day because some technician was sorting out a request from an illegitimate claim. Even worse, Id be angry if my RMA request just happened to look like someone trying to request an illegitimate RMA and I was refused.

Additional security will come at a price unfortunately. Just hope we can keep people like the OP from returning damaged cards that are damaged due their own fault or incompetancy.

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: jEnus
How about this scenerio.

How Do I know this card wasn't borken (gpu or ram) when I purchased it . . Thinking that the heat was the problem I tried to narrow down the possibilities by substituting the orig HS w/ a NV5? Does that change the fact?

The main idea here is the card has always had some problems and seeing threads in regards to BFG/Orig HS/Heat I tried to resolve this problem on my own. There is nothing wrong with that as all of us do this.

If heat was an issue with the stock heatsink/fan, then thats BFG's problem. You should have called them for an RMA or even better, technical support to see if it was a known problem or they could diagnose the problem.

I doubt that BFG would be stupid enough to send out cards with unsuitable cooling for stock operations in an "average computer environment".

Your excuses dont cut it.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: gururu
jEnus. Do what you got to do. Even if what you are doing is not only morally reprehensible, but criminal. You aren't going to get any love on the subject. As for myself, I think large companies have endured worse.

Gururu:
Whether a company is large or small isn't relevant, stealing from Microsoft is no better or worse than stealing from Gururu.

 

[302efi]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Gururu:
Whether a company is large or small isn't relevant, stealing from Microsoft is no better or worse than stealing from Gururu.

Well said

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Gururu:
Whether a company is large or small isn't relevant, stealing from Microsoft is no better or worse than stealing from Gururu.

I'm not advising him to do it Rollo! I just think he needs to come to his own decision. And well if he makes the WRONG decision, I'd rather have him burn BB than some poor dude on eBay.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

So you screwed yourself out of your own 400 dollars and you still have the audacity to try to screw the company 400 dollars too? Be a man and take care of your own responsibilities. You messed up and you should pay for it, not someone else. (no matter how big or small).

 

[Theslowone]

Life is as it is because we are who we are, depending on life and choices we decide right and wrong. This choice is neither clear nor pain free. We set out to do what is right but through negotiation with ourselves we determine that it is only wrong in a specific way. That it is only wrong if you can see their faces. The choice you make to day makes who you are tomorrow.

To take a dime that is not yours is stealing, no matter who it?s stealing from. It?s a tough loss of money but it should be a loss of YOUR money. You are responsible for the damage caused by your mod, you are responsible for the money to replace the product. Your logic that it might have been bad in the first place is plausible, but in reality it is you who you are convincing. In that same reality it is you who makes the choice, not us. Do what you want to do with your old card, neither jail nor damnation should affect your choice; your choice should only be made by you and what you think is right and wrong.

 

[jEnus]

**Update**

Was browsing the OT forum and someone made mention about Artic silver being shorting out a cpu. This got me think; perhaps there is some silver computer that connected two resistors on the gpu when I was installing the NV5.

I removed the NV5 just a few minutes ago, cleaned the GPU and noticed there was some compound on two resistors. I cleaned all the compound off the gpu and the two resistors and fired it back up.

I was pretty sure my temp would be back up but I noticed w/o the compound my GPU is now idle at 45C. Started up BF:V and the into had no problems as before . . Ran 3Dmark03 and no issues what so ever.

So here is my conculsion. Artic Silver is somewhat conductive. I will not be returning this to BB.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: Rollo
Gururu:
Whether a company is large or small isn't relevant, stealing from Microsoft is no better or worse than stealing from Gururu.

I'm not advising him to do it Rollo! I just think he needs to come to his own decision. And well if he makes the WRONG decision, I'd rather have him burn BB than some poor dude on eBay.

If he returns it to Best Buy he doesn't burn them, but really burns BFG. Ever wonder why they put that slip of paper in the box that says "DO NOT RETURN TO THE STORE" in big bold letters? Because when you return it at Best Buy it ends up costing BFG more money. He fvcked the card up, he needs to eat the cost.

 

[d2arcturus]

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: Rollo
Gururu:
Whether a company is large or small isn't relevant, stealing from Microsoft is no better or worse than stealing from Gururu.

I'm not advising him to do it Rollo! I just think he needs to come to his own decision. And well if he makes the WRONG decision, I'd rather have him burn BB than some poor dude on eBay.

Also well said, you guys are point for point.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
I know that most of you think this is wrong, me included, however how many of you wouldn't try to RMA after simply overclocking? Overclocking is against warranty. You all talk big, but when it comes to your 400 bux what would you do?

Here's how it works sparky. You o/c and damage your card, then try to RMA, we call those type of people "OnEMoReTrY's". Yes, your a legend. I've noticed you have backed down on your 600Mhz core o/c to 585. Are we experiencing artifacts? Did we do some damage? Are you contemplating RMA'ing because it seems like your trying to justify such a thing with this post of yours.

We all talk big? Well, that's because we are big. All grown up and stuff. Mature enough to be responsible for our own screw ups. But no, you can't handle screwing up. You have to make someone else pay for your screw up. Anyone but you. Why not BFG? or eVGA?

One day (hopefully) you will be big and all grown up too. I know if my GT fries, its because its faulty. Why? Because it has run 350/1000 out of the box and never been F**Ked with not 1 Mhz. So I know I have a full 3 years of care free gaming. Yes, my 400 bucks is important to me. That's why I dont risk it.
I bought a 6800nu that I o/c and softmodded. I got it real cheap and it wont hurt as much if it dies. Although I have reverted the card back to 12x1,5vp and 325/700. Runs everything fine like that.

So, moral: Don't be a OnEMoReTrY.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
I know that most of you think this is wrong, me included, however how many of you wouldn't try to RMA after simply overclocking? Overclocking is against warranty. You all talk big, but when it comes to your 400 bux what would you do?

Here's how it works sparky. You o/c and damage your card, then try to RMA, we call those type of people "OnEMoReTrY's". Yes, your a legend. I've noticed you have backed down on your 600Mhz core o/c to 585. Are we experiencing artifacts? Did we do some damage? Are you contemplating RMA'ing because it seems like your trying to justify such a thing with this post of yours.

We all talk big? Well, that's because we are big. All grown up and stuff. Mature enough to be responsible for our own screw ups. But no, you can't handle screwing up. You have to make someone else pay for your screw up. Anyone but you. Why not BFG? or eVGA?

One day (hopefully) you will be big and all grown up too. I know if my GT fries, its because its faulty. Why? Because it has run 350/1000 out of the box and never been F**Ked with not 1 Mhz. So I know I have a full 3 years of care free gaming. Yes, my 400 bucks is important to me. That's why I dont risk it.
I bought a 6800nu that I o/c and softmodded. I got it real cheap and it wont hurt as much if it dies. Although I have reverted the card back to 12x1,5vp and 325/700. Runs everything fine like that.

So, moral: Don't be a OnEMoReTrY.

Pwned

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: caivoma

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Renob
You killed your card, dumb $hit and voided your warranty.

Time to be a man and BUY a new one.

your name is boner backwards.

Watch out for the Kinky Mod.

kinky like a chain or kinky like a whip?

pretty sure that mod will chained you down and whip you

is it a punishment for pointing out his name is boner backwards or is it a reward for hoping that the OP would burn in hell?

 

[Vallybally]

They burn swastikas on yards with a "Vote Bush"

Don't be an ass Rollo. Leave Bush (and your political agenda) out of this.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY
I know that most of you think this is wrong, me included, however how many of you wouldn't try to RMA after simply overclocking? Overclocking is against warranty. You all talk big, but when it comes to your 400 bux what would you do?

Here's how it works sparky. You o/c and damage your card, then try to RMA, we call those type of people "OnEMoReTrY's". Yes, your a legend. I've noticed you have backed down on your 600Mhz core o/c to 585. Are we experiencing artifacts? Did we do some damage? Are you contemplating RMA'ing because it seems like your trying to justify such a thing with this post of yours.

We all talk big? Well, that's because we are big. All grown up and stuff. Mature enough to be responsible for our own screw ups. But no, you can't handle screwing up. You have to make someone else pay for your screw up. Anyone but you. Why not BFG? or eVGA?

One day (hopefully) you will be big and all grown up too. I know if my GT fries, its because its faulty. Why? Because it has run 350/1000 out of the box and never been F**Ked with not 1 Mhz. So I know I have a full 3 years of care free gaming. Yes, my 400 bucks is important to me. That's why I dont risk it.
I bought a 6800nu that I o/c and softmodded. I got it real cheap and it wont hurt as much if it dies. Although I have reverted the card back to 12x1,5vp and 325/700. Runs everything fine like that.

So, moral: Don't be a OnEMoReTrY.

LOL Pwned.

But but Keys- if a guy who really knows how to do his OCing (he even adds a fan to the case!) just does a MILD OC on a card you sold him, you'll refund his money if it fails right?

LOL

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Vallybally

They burn swastikas on yards with a "Vote Bush"

Don't be an ass Rollo. Leave Bush (and your political agenda) out of this.

Wah. I used it as part of an analogy, and what "political agenda" would I have been advancing by mentioning that, given I'm a Republican?

:roll:

Time to bone up on your studies there Vallybally, you're missing the point.

<waits for Vallybally to post "Leave school and your academician aganda out of this Rollo! The only words allowed in this forum are "RMA", "3Dmark", and "OCing"! If it can't be said with those words, it doesn't need to be said!">