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sdifox

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Hell I got it for $150 or $200...it was fine for the price.

:) I got my son a cheap-ass Daytek HTIB and for the money it sounded ok. It was 130 I think.
I think I paid 500 for a Kenwood mini component. It is currently serving as my computer speakers for the secondary computer.

1K for good (well, decent) stereo is doable.
 
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heyheybooboo

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find a place with the Energy Take 5 setup and listen. They are great especially for the price. But of course you can just keep the Z560s

I was really surprised about the performance of those speakers.

On eBlast they were one heck of a bargain. I was initially concerned about that rear-firing port but there was no reverb I could detect. I liked them so much I purchased another set for the 2nd bedroom when the eBlast came back around.

Since there are roommates involved maybe the OP should consider a really nice set of headphones first with his SR receiver purchase ....





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jlee

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I have Sennheiser wireless headphones and wasn't as impressed as I had hoped to be..probably because they're wireless.

I have two roommates in a huge 3 story house, and often if I am watching a movie it's with one of them (or both, if they're home) so headphones wouldn't be a complete solution either.
 

sdifox

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I have Sennheiser wireless headphones and wasn't as impressed as I had hoped to be..probably because they're wireless.

I have two roommates in a huge 3 story house, and often if I am watching a movie it's with one of them (or both, if they're home) so headphones wouldn't be a complete solution either.

wireless anything = the suck when it comes to audio.

build a sonotube sub if you are handy.
 
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jlee

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Maybe I should look into a set of wired headphones, then..but see, by the time I get those and a headphone amp, I might as well not and put that towards a real receiver. Humph. :/

I have a circular saw and a drill..that's about it as far as woodworking goes. Never was a big fan of carpentry/stuff.
 
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sdifox

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Maybe I should look into a set of wired headphones, then..but see, by the time I get those and a headphone amp, I might as well not and put that towards a real receiver. Humph. :/

I have a circular saw and a drill..that's about it as far as woodworking goes. Never was a big fan of carpentry/stuff.

that and caulking gun is what you need. There is plenty of diy plans out there.
 

kalrith

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I agree with some parts of what several people on here are saying. Here are my thoughts. You should spend less on the receiver than on the speakers; however, I would recommend getting some kind of automatic room correction (like Audyssey) especially given your less-than-optimal room. If you had a perfect room for the setup, then automatic room correction would make less of a difference

For the receiver I would recommend looking at the Denon B stock on Dakmart. They are an authorized Denon reseller, and they offer a 1-year warranty just like you'd get with a new receiver. They have several choices under $400 that offer some sort of room correction (590, 689, 789, 790, and 2308), but I think the 2308 at about $350 shipped is the best deal. The only negatives I see are 2 HDMI inputs (easily fixed with a remote-controlled switch like this $30 one) and no pre-outs (you'd have to spend $500 or more to get those and Audyssey, and you don't need to worry about pre-outs with a $1,000 budget anyways). Here's Denon's product page for the receiver.

That leaves $650 for a pair of speakers. At this point I would try to determine what your future budget is going to be for this system. If you think that next year you'd have $1500 to drop on a couple more speakers, then the $650 pair should be bookshelves that will some day be surrounds. If you're not going to spend more than $325 on any one speaker in the setup, then you might as well get the speakers that you plan on having as your mains. If that's the case, then you need to also consider what center channel goes with those speakers as you'll want to buy the center speaker from the same brand and product line as your mains in order for them to be timbre-matched. This doesn't matter for your surrounds or your sub. Those can be any brand or product line, and it won't matter.

There's nothing wrong with using bookshelves as mains, but you'll likely get more bass from floorstanders, so I'd recommend going with those unless you plan on moving these speakers to your surrounds someday (or you could just go with bookshelves in order to keep your options open). It seems like I'm rambling at this point, so I'll try to wrap this up :p.

I checked around for some good deals on speakers in your price range and didn't find any. It would be best if you auditioned some speakers to see what kind of sound you like. Sound preference is very subjective, so one person might love their Energy speakers, and you might dislike them. Some online companies will cover the shipping costs for you to try them out for 30 days, so you might try that route as well. If you do go somewhere to audition speakers, be sure to bring some CDs that you know very well and have listened to on your current setup. That will allow you to see the differences between your setup and another one. You could also have them hook up just two speakers with no sub, so you get an idea of what that will sound like.
 

jlee

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If I go with two bookshelf speakers (and a center), then replace them with floor speakers, I will have to match the floor speakers with the center, correct? Unless you think I could get by without a center, in which case I could just do bookshelf speakers and a sub.

It does make me wonder if I should just wait and do it all at once.
 

sdifox

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If I go with two bookshelf speakers (and a center), then replace them with floor speakers, I will have to match the floor speakers with the center, correct? Unless you think I could get by without a center, in which case I could just do bookshelf speakers and a sub.

It does make me wonder if I should just wait and do it all at once.

You don't have to limit yourself to bookshelf. I use floor-standing speakers for surround.

Timbre matching however is important. But you could just move the centre to the back as surround centre.
 

jlee

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You don't have to limit yourself to bookshelf. I use floor-standing speakers for surround.

Timbre matching however is important. But you could just move the centre to the back as surround centre.

Touché...but that would then require a 6.x or 8.x system?
 

jlee

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It can be accommodated is all I am saying. I don't think you need a centre for your setup. 2 Channel is fine.

Would I have better quality sound going with a receiver, a subwoofer and the Energy set, or going with the Denon receiver above and $700-800 for two floorstanding speakers? I will get a subwoofer eventually, but if the speakers do a halfway decent job it's not critical immediately (I see deals pop up every now and again - could easily wait for one of those).

I will have to find a local audio shop and do some listening. I have a few months yet - if I decide to set this up it will likely be this summer.
 

sdifox

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Would I have better quality sound going with a receiver, a subwoofer and the Energy set, or going with the Denon receiver above and $700-800 for two floorstanding speakers? I will get a subwoofer eventually, but if the speakers do a halfway decent job it's not critical immediately (I see deals pop up every now and again - could easily wait for one of those).

I will have to find a local audio shop and do some listening. I have a few months yet - if I decide to set this up it will likely be this summer.

The Energy set is decent performers. A lot of people were surprised by their sound. Floor-standing will extend further down in terms of bass and will be easier to drive to produce a certain SPL.
 

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If you road trip to Boston, Q Audio carries NAD and Paradigm: http://www.qaudio.com/ If you go to Boston, you could also check out the Boston area Craigslist and see if any good stereo gear is being sold there.

Looking at photos, speakers might sound best firing down long axis of room (wall left of tv with purple curtain on it), if you can rearrange sofa, tv, etc. to accomodate that. Your computer work area is nice area to run home theater components from if you.

Totally different option is Magneplanar home theater:http://magneplanar.com/model_MMGW

They only extend to 100 hz, so you definitely need a sub (Parts Express sells Dayton subs that were designed by Hsu research). 5 Ohm load, so sound like they might need a beefy avr that can deliver a good deal of current without overheating a lot (?) 8 or 10 inch sub might be enough for your needs and inability to play loud and disturb roommates (check out Yoyo's sticky at top of forum; there are sometimes really good deals on these subs on sale: http://www.parts-express.com/wizard...AT&srchCat=620&CFID=20695672&CFTOKEN=82617234

Regarding the Hsu I mentioned previously, you could just buy a front left and right HB-1 mk. 2 and see if you like house sound. If so, you can later add sub (this is what I did). I forgot if they have restocking fee, but if not, you could probably return them and just be out round trip shipping costs. If you cal Hsu, you will probably end up speaking directly with designer, Pete Hsu, and he might be able to help you decide if his speakers are right for you. In terms of tonal balance, they remind me of Klipsch (full-bodied weighty sound, perhaps a little dark), but have much more refined treble than Klipsch and are much more laid back in overall demeanor than Klipsch (i. e. not quite so up front and in your face in terms of presentation).

If you decide to go with the refurb Harmon Kardon vi edit mentioned, Ascend Acoustics speakers are supposed to be particularly synergistic: http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/elect/electintro.html

If your focus is mainly multi-channel, and satellite sub system (typical crossed over at 80 - 100 hz), front minimonitors is really all you need because sub picks up rest. If you also want 2 channel audio, full range left and right fronts may make sense, but I would then look of an avr that has a digital bypass or direct pathway that bypasses internal crossover and dsp in receiver and send analog signal directly to speakers.

Good Luck!
 
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vshah

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another option is to get 3x bookshelves, that can be used for fronts and center. get them from a range that includes floorstanders as well. that way, you can eventually move 2 of the bookshelves to the rear, replace them with fronts, and still have them be timber matched to your center.


you could consider a stretch to ~$1350 and get the svs 5.1 system and a refurb denon or onkyo. a full 5.1 system, with a great sub that will last several years. you can sell/upgrade the rest of the speakers as time goes on.


of course, i didn't have that much and ended up doing a similar thing but lower end - 5.1 system from the speaker company and a denon 1610 all for just under $500, and beats the pants off of any HTIB
 
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jlee

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If you road trip to Boston, Q Audio carries NAD and Paradigm: http://www.qaudio.com/ If you go to Boston, you could also check out the Boston area Craigslist and see if any good stereo gear is being sold there.
That's not a bad idea either - might have to take a ride down there this spring. I can also rearrange stuff, but I will lose some seating space - not much of an issue, though, as there's rarely more than two people up here.
you could consider a stretch to ~$1350 and get the svs 5.1 system and a refurb denon or onkyo. a full 5.1 system, with a great sub that will last several years. you can sell/upgrade the rest of the speakers as time goes on.
Yeah I could do that - might be the easiest option, but I'll have to figure out where to put the surrounds. This room wasn't built for sound. :p
 

vshah

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keep an eye on the b-stock section of av-123, there are some good deals to be had there. unfortunately right now they don't seem to have 2 of any of the mid-towers in the same color

they also have a 5.1 system for 999 + shipping that is a better looking alternative to the svs system.

although looking at the pics of your room again, it seems either of those would be overkill for your current situation.
 
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jlee

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keep an eye on the b-stock section of av-123, there are some good deals to be had there. unfortunately right now they don't seem to have 2 of any of the mid-towers in the same color

they also have a 5.1 system for 999 + shipping that is a better looking alternative to the svs system.

although looking at the pics of your room again, it seems either of those would be overkill for your current situation.

Yeah...pretty much anything probably would be overkill. I wonder if I might be best off waiting 'till I have a better room to set it up in.
 
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kalrith

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Yeah...pretty much anything probably would be overkill. I wonder if I might be best off waiting 'till I have a better room to set it up in.

It depends on when you would have that room. If you're going to move within a couple years, then it might be worth waiting, because the size and layout of the room makes a big difference in recommendations. However, if you're going to be in this room for 3 years or more, then that's a long time to stick with what you have.

Another option is to just buy a very inexpensive system and save your $1k or more budget for down the road. You could buy a used stereo receiver for $50 and buy a pair of used bookshelves for $100. That would fill your room with sound, and you'd probably be able to sell the stuff for the same price in a few years. If they're decent enough bookshelves, you can even use them as your surrounds later on.
 

jlee

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It depends on when you would have that room. If you're going to move within a couple years, then it might be worth waiting, because the size and layout of the room makes a big difference in recommendations. However, if you're going to be in this room for 3 years or more, then that's a long time to stick with what you have.

Another option is to just buy a very inexpensive system and save your $1k or more budget for down the road. You could buy a used stereo receiver for $50 and buy a pair of used bookshelves for $100. That would fill your room with sound, and you'd probably be able to sell the stuff for the same price in a few years. If they're decent enough bookshelves, you can even use them as your surrounds later on.

Would that be much of an improvement over the Z560's I have now?

I didn't plan on being here for 3 more years, but what with housing costs around here, I can save a boatload of money by staying.
 

kalrith

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Would that be much of an improvement over the Z560's I have now?

I didn't plan on being here for 3 more years, but what with housing costs around here, I can save a boatload of money by staying.

Well, I guess it would depend on what kind of deal you got on the speakers. If you're just planning on accomodating two speakers, then I don't see a problem with the stereo receiver unless you just want some of the features of a newer receiver. Also, you could use your Z560s as your surrounds, which might work well with a 7.1 receiver, which would lead me to my previous recommendation for the Denon 2308 receiver.

There are lots of recommendations on here and different ways to take it. You could keep what you have now, spend a little money on a minor upgrade, or spend a lot of money on a major upgrade. That major upgrade could be a $50 receiver plus $950 mains, a $350 receiver plus $650 mains while reusing your Z560s, a $350 receiver plus a complete 5.1/7.1 setup, etc.

It really comes down to what you want to do. I think your setup right now doesn't lend itself well to more than 2 speakers. You could lose the second couch and center the TV on that wall (or on the wall with the bed) and have enough separation to make 3 front speakers work well together. Then I would probably just use the Z560s as surround for now unless you go with the Energy Take 5 setup.
 

kalrith

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Also from that other thread, I mention that you could get 2 Monitor 70s plus a CS2 for $590 shipped. Those plus the Denon 2308 would put you at about $950. Then, you could fill out the surround with your current speakers. I think the Monitor 70s would do well without a sub, but any setup is better with a sub, so you could think about adding one down the road.
 

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I have a pair of the Monitor 50s and for music they're actually pretty good but they lack the impact needed for movies. Of course you can't expect that kind of bass performance from a pair of 5.25" woofers but it's hard to beat the price.
 

sdifox

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I have a pair of the Monitor 50s and for music they're actually pretty good but they lack the impact needed for movies. Of course you can't expect that kind of bass performance from a pair of 5.25" woofers but it's hard to beat the price.

That is why my mains are bipoles with 2x1" and 4x 6.5" and a 15" active sub