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Time to move on from ATA/PCI? (Updated with pics)
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Flipped Gazelle
Diamond Member
PATA and LPT ports.
Zap
Elite Member
I have this board and it's close. Just has one IDE connector, but no FDD, no PS/2. The Foxconn G33 chispet board used in the Dell Vostro 200 may not have had legacy connectors. I know it didn't have PS/2 or IDE.
Originally posted here.
It's time for a least one mobo to boldly move beyond ATA and PCI...
I like my motherboard to be neat, so getting rid of those two legacy buses should free up a bit of real-estate to make better board layouts that reduce pcb layers, and hopefully cost less too.
I made some mock-ups (yes I AM a hardware geek 🙂)
Tell me what you think.
original
Ver1
...And if you're into SLI:
Ver2
It's time for a least one mobo to boldly move beyond ATA and PCI...
I like my motherboard to be neat, so getting rid of those two legacy buses should free up a bit of real-estate to make better board layouts that reduce pcb layers, and hopefully cost less too.
I made some mock-ups (yes I AM a hardware geek 🙂)
Tell me what you think.
original
Ver1
...And if you're into SLI:
Ver2
I'd like a motherboard with 7 (physical) PCIe v2.0 x16 slots that can be configured via bios with whatever lanes configuration I want x16, x8, x4, or x1, in any slot I want, with any 2 or 3 slots I want for SLI/Crossfire. Motherboards could come with varying amounts of PCIe lanes depending on class of board: budget, normal, pro, elite, etc.
How 'bout this one then? 🙂
I thought that six PCIe makes sense because at the moment 4 x double-height cards leaves no slots left what-so-ever. So with six, one could either to 2 x double-height cards and have two PCIe left to use, or 4 x single-height (preferably water-cooled) cards and have two PCIe left.
I thought that six PCIe makes sense because at the moment 4 x double-height cards leaves no slots left what-so-ever. So with six, one could either to 2 x double-height cards and have two PCIe left to use, or 4 x single-height (preferably water-cooled) cards and have two PCIe left.
wwswimming
Banned
i'd like to see a micro-ATX core i7 with the full 1366 pins and all 6 memory slots.
that won't leave much room for legacy stuff.
that won't leave much room for legacy stuff.
mindless1
Diamond Member
It would be senseless to get rid of features, even if only 10% of users needed any particular one. The reason is one feature is for 10% of users, another feature for a different 10%, etc. There is nothing untidy about having a connector not used, and in fact almost everyone has some connector or other not used. Your ver 1 board reminds me of the PC Chips econocrap boards.
It would increase costs to get rid of features, because you reduce the desirability of the product, the sales rate per R&D and manufacturing costs, to an extent that exceeds the cost savings of leaving off a 50 cent connector. It would be different if expensive silicon were needed to support the features but it is not, you'd just waste capabilities of existing silicon on the board in many cases. It is not likely they'd get rid of layers by only removing what you suggested, a layer is still needed to support the rest, it's just a matter of which areas it covers which means no practical gain. You don't mention any particular layout issues, as it's obvious they did succeed in making the original board so acting as though it is problematic is defied by the direct evidence, that it exists.
BTW, I fully support the idea of having parallel and serial ports too. Never get rid of a feature unless it is mandatory in order to support some other more desirable feature. Since practically nobody has as many PCIe cards needed as slots in your example, but most veterans own several PCI cards they'd like to reuse, even that makes no sense today contrasted with years from now (just as it was with ISA slots slowly becoming fewer with each generation of boards).
Lastly, please keep the same topic in the same thread. This thread should just be locked as it is redundant and looks a bit like trolling. You remind me of someone who trolled on this topic previously, and perhaps have been banned since then so you created a new user profile? Sorry if that seems mean spirited but some coincidences, aren't.
It would increase costs to get rid of features, because you reduce the desirability of the product, the sales rate per R&D and manufacturing costs, to an extent that exceeds the cost savings of leaving off a 50 cent connector. It would be different if expensive silicon were needed to support the features but it is not, you'd just waste capabilities of existing silicon on the board in many cases. It is not likely they'd get rid of layers by only removing what you suggested, a layer is still needed to support the rest, it's just a matter of which areas it covers which means no practical gain. You don't mention any particular layout issues, as it's obvious they did succeed in making the original board so acting as though it is problematic is defied by the direct evidence, that it exists.
BTW, I fully support the idea of having parallel and serial ports too. Never get rid of a feature unless it is mandatory in order to support some other more desirable feature. Since practically nobody has as many PCIe cards needed as slots in your example, but most veterans own several PCI cards they'd like to reuse, even that makes no sense today contrasted with years from now (just as it was with ISA slots slowly becoming fewer with each generation of boards).
Lastly, please keep the same topic in the same thread. This thread should just be locked as it is redundant and looks a bit like trolling. You remind me of someone who trolled on this topic previously, and perhaps have been banned since then so you created a new user profile? Sorry if that seems mean spirited but some coincidences, aren't.
mindless1
Diamond Member
That would be pretty unforward thinking, since ATA and PCI devices are contemporary designs sold new today, and not all with a good, if any, selection of PCIe and SATA alternatives. Then there's the benefit of reducing landfill waste and total system cost, by supporting continued sales of previously manufactured, or continued use of previously purchased products.
If you're just suggesting that old tech is eventually reduced and displaced by new, this is not a new idea, more like an observation of how it's been all along.
If you're just suggesting that old tech is eventually reduced and displaced by new, this is not a new idea, more like an observation of how it's been all along.
bruceb
Diamond Member
I like a board that would still have a Serial / Parallel / PS2 connectors and also IDE interface for at least 4 drives. In addition to at least 4 PCI type expansion slots and one or two video slots. On board SATA for at least 6 devices would be good also. On board NIC interface. On board sound is not too important, but if it is good quality, fine.
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