Time to lift embargo on Cuba?

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wnied

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So, do you think the embargo should be lifted?

No.

Try talking to free Cubans living here in the U.S. before assuming "Uncle Fidel" is as harmless and as victimized as he portrays himself to be. To think that this guy is anything less than the same type of despot we usurped in Iraq, is to deny the atrocities he and his government have used to terrorize Cuban citizens for the last almost half of a century.

I say keep up the embargo, Fvck Fidel!
~wnied~
 

nutxo

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Hmm, if we liberated Cuba we could have another country like mexico to send jobs to...

 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: wnied
So, do you think the embargo should be lifted?

No.

Try talking to free Cubans living here in the U.S. before assuming "Uncle Fidel" is as harmless and as victimized as he portrays himself to be. To think that this guy is anything less than the same type of despot we usurped in Iraq, is to deny the atrocities he and his government have used to terrorize Cuban citizens for the last almost half of a century.

I say keep up the embargo, Fvck Fidel!
~wnied~

Dang, where ya been for the last month and two days
:confused:


:p
 

kylebisme

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i don't have any respect for Fidel either, but i don't think we should punish a whole nation of people just becasue they are being misslead by a despot.
 

Zephyr106

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LOL lifting the embargo would hurt Uncle Fidel more than keeping it. With the embargo he can say "look how the Americans try to economically hurt us" to Cubans, without the embargo he'd be in a constant battle to keep the peoples' ear turned to him instead of American influences. In fact if we lifted it I wouldn't be surprised if Fidel instituted an embargo to replace it.

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MisterPresident

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I found this article interesting. Although obviously Cato has a free trade tilt, many of the arguments brought up are reasonable.
It?s Time, Finally, to End the Cuban Embargo
by Aaron P. Lukas

War has a way of bringing clarity to international relationships. As president Bush has repeatedly announced, ?You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists.?

That test is appropriately applied to our black-sheep neighbor in the Caribbean. For Cuba, however, it might better be phrased as, ?You are either with the terrorists, or you are with us.? Held to that standard, it?s clear that Cuba is not in the terrorist camp, and therefore are not against us. And so the time has come to end the Cuban embargo.

It?s true that many Cubans have long been suspicious of the U.S. government. But they don?t, in the main, wish Americans harm. Indeed, 80,000 U.S. citizens visit Cuba each year and are warmly received. At the same time, thousands of Cubans risk their lives to cross the 90 shark-infested miles to Florida. Without the estimated $800 million in annual remittances from friends and family in the United States, many Cubans would starve.

In other words, except at the official level, relations between Americans and Cubans are anything but hostile.

Even the despicable government headed by Fidel Castro doesn?t seriously threaten us. Cuba?s military impotence is accepted fact. The island no longer serves as a base for Soviet intelligence operations, nor does it attempt to export the Communist economic system that has so spectacularly failed at home.

Perhaps more salient today is the fact that Cubans don?t commit acts of terror on our shores, hijack U.S. planes, or attack us with micro-organisms. Cubans aren?t, in short, our enemies, and most Americans know it. But unlike the sanctions on Iraq, we?re told, the Cuban embargo isn?t designed to punish a dangerous enemy. Rather, it?s a gift to the Cuban people; a sort of ?tough love? that is ultimately in their own best interest.

That line is wearing thin after four decades. In a new Cato study, interviews with leading Cuban dissidents reveal a preference for engagement and little support for the embargo. If Mr. Castro?s staunchest opponents think the embargo has helped keep him in power, we shouldn?t doubt them.

History shows that isolation isn?t necessarily an effective means of fostering change. In 1970, 17 of 26 countries in Latin America and the Caribbean had authoritarian regimes. Today, only Cuba has a dictatorial regime. Yet only Cuba has been subjected to a comprehensive embargo. Elsewhere, economic engagement has been the rule. That the Cuban people have suffered under a brutal tyrant is indisputable; that the embargo has made their plight worse is equally obvious.

No significant U.S. industries would be threatened by scrapping the embargo since Cuba has few competitive exports, making the political costs of freeing trade with Cuba lower than is the case with other countries. American exporters, however, pay a hefty price. The U.S. International Trade Commission estimates U.S. firms lose between $684 million and $1.2 billion worth of business per year. Those contracts go to Canadian, European, and other firms.

Not only has the embargo backfired, it wastes American resources that are needed to fight terrorism. Treasury officials who could be unraveling terrorist financial networks are instead tracing property owned by Spanish hotels in Cuba to make sure it wasn?t stolen from Americans decades ago. INS agents that could be watching our borders for suicide bombers are instead worrying about tourists who may have spent money in Havana. These shouldn?t be our top priorities. In fact, they shouldn?t be priorities at all.

Along with an end to the embargo, funds currently wasted on attempts to de-legitimize the Castro regime could be diverted to more productive uses. For instance, money currently spent on Radio Mardi (which is electronically jammed by the Cuban government) could go instead to a Radio Free Afghanistan?a region where the broadcasts might actually do some good.

But perhaps most significant would be the message that scrapping the embargo would send to the Taliban and other regimes that sponsor terrorism: foreign governments need not follow the American model, but states that attack us forfeit the right to choose their own destiny.

Of course, the reason that the embargo has persisted in the face of overwhelming evidence that it?s failed has been the strength of the Cuban-American lobby in Congress. Yet pro-embargo sentiment is weaker than ever for a variety of reasons, including bad press garnered by Miami Cubans over the Elián González standoff. Moreover, armed conflict has a way of lending political capital to presidents that is unavailable in times of peace. President Bush thus has a unique opportunity to change direction on Cuba that his predecessors lacked.

The Cuban embargo long ago outlived its usefulness. With war now raging against radical Islam, it?s time to let go of a policy that only serves to punish the innocent and antagonize our friends. Let Cubans freely taste the carrot of our prosperity through trade and let?s save the sanctions stick for true enemies.

Aaron Lukas is an analyst at the Cato Institute?s Center for Trade Policy Studies.
 

BugsBunny1078

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The only reason for the embargo on Cuba is because of the Cuban exile community in Miami and New Jersey.
They will vote to keep the embargo and that means a job for at least a few congressman is on the line to try to keep it up. Plus communists are not popular with any of us anyways.
But the big businesses want the embargo lifted, right? Why? Cigar companies I'm sure would be happy, but you can already get Cuban cigars into America, you just have to have a person that can legally bring them in (though I'm not sure how they get this status, there are a decent number of people that can do this, I assure you) and then they can be sold here. The shipping isn't as efficient, but it is considered a premium cigar after all.

I like cuban tobacco but no it is not allowed into the US people smuggle it in and it is illegal just like coke.
It is good though the cigarettes give you a euphoric high. Even when I was a 2 pack a day smoker if I could get some cuban cigarrettes I could smoke 5 a day and be completely satisfied with that all day long. One pack of cuban cigarettes lasted 4 days or equal to about 8 packs of american cigarettes nicotine content.
 

Kntx

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Originally posted by: kage69
bah, i just want to go to Cuba so i can partake in Cuban culture and perhaps get a few Cubans to sell me their old cars!

You want to buy a goat-drawn carrige? Those refurb'ed Chevys are the new cars dude!


:D jk!

They have new cars down there, lots of suzkukis and toyotas.
 

ElFenix

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the embargo has propped castro up for years. any time something went wrong castro could always blame the embargo? lack of trade? its the embargo! nevermind that castro could trade as much as he wants with every other country on the planet. failed sugar crop? its the embargo! pestilence? its the embargo!

castro would have been gone long ago without the embargo, methinks.
 

BugsBunny1078

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
the embargo has propped castro up for years. any time something went wrong castro could always blame the embargo? lack of trade? its the embargo! nevermind that castro could trade as much as he wants with every other country on the planet. failed sugar crop? its the embargo! pestilence? its the embargo!

castro would have been gone long ago without the embargo, methinks.

Well that is not true at all. People love castro in Cuba.
All the ones who dislike him have left. And also alot of the ones who left love him too, but won't admit it.
George bush has more people who hate him than Fidel does.