Time To End Minimum Wage

[nehalem256]

$9 an hour is in no way a liveable wage.




Lets apply that philosophy of babies to employees. Do not hire employees until you can pay them a liveable wage.

Assume working 35 hours/week (I have worked food service and know that they want to make sure employees do not exceed 40 hours) time 50 weeks /year (2 weeks vacation) results in 1750 hours/year.

9 * 1750 = $15,750

Federal poverty line is $10,890. So you would be at 144% of the poverty line.

 

[Wreckem]

$9 an hour is in no way a liveable wage.




Lets apply that philosophy of babies to employees. Do not hire employees until you can pay them a liveable wage.

For a single person, it is more than a livable wage in most places in the US.

 

[Incorruptible]

Good pay is reserved for those with actual skills. Saying "Can I take your order" does not count as a skill.

And how would you define livable wage?

Babies dont just happen. They happen by making a series of choices. Sounds to me like his gf should have gotten an abortion.

I agree about skills, there is no universal definition for a livable wage and lets say that the minimum wage is raised the business will just raise prices and pass it on to the customer

The baby could have been adopted out to a family who can take care of it

 

[nehalem256]

Have you ever worked construction in a chemical plant? Helpers make something like $18 an hour, and that is low pay.

We are talking about people with no skills besides a pair of hands and being able to follow instructions.

Construction is a skill.

So why doesnt your cousin go work there instead? Problem solved.

 

[alzan]

Why is someone who is working at minimum wage having babies, this makes no sense at all and both are clearly unfit to take care of that baby

Some people who have higher skills and are making way more than minimum wage have shown they are unfit to take care of their children.

Your point essentially wasn't?

 

[dmcowen674]

Time To End Minimum Wage

The minimum wage law discriminates against people with low skills, many people dont have the skills required to justify getting paid the minimum wage and should be paid what they are worth

If the minimum wage is $7.25/hour but a person doesn't have the skills to justify those wages they cant get a job, there would be more jobs available without minimum wage

The government doesn't have a right to tell businesses how much they have to pay their employees.

This is why I believe the minimum wage needs to be abolished, do you agree

Milton Friedman explaining minimum wage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk

Look at that post count jump.

At least you are honest on how much you hate Americans and what America stands for.

This coming from the same GOP cloth that finds it is OK for the Government to be in your bedroom when it comes to who you are in bed with.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Texashiker]

Federal poverty line is $10,890. So you would be at 144% of the poverty line.

$11,170 - http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/12poverty.shtml

Since there is a child involved, the poverty line is $15,130 for two person household.

 

[Wreckem]

$11,170 - http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/12poverty.shtml

Since their is a child involved, the poverty line is $15,130 for two person household.

Business shouldn't have to pay for a persons poor decisions.

People shouldn't have kids unless they can afford them.

The minimum wage should not ever be based on a single income 3 person family. Minimum wage should be calculated based on a single person. And if a person is stuck at minimum wage for more than a brief period of time, they are incompetent.

 

[nehalem256]

$11,170 - http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/12poverty.shtml

Since there is a child involved, the poverty line is $15,130 for two person household.

My number was for 2011, I assume it raised slightly for 2012.

So, what size household should be used to calculate a living wage?

 

[Incorruptible]

Some people who have higher skills and are making way more than minimum wage have shown they are unfit to take care of their children.

Your point essentially wasn't?

I agree that there are people who make more than minimum wage and cant take care of their babies but the argument is that people on minimum wage CANT afford to take care of a baby

 

[Texashiker]

People shouldn't have kids unless they can afford them.

Companies should not hire employees unless the company can afford to pay a decent wage.

 

[Incorruptible]

Look at that post count jump.

At least you are honest on how much you hate Americans and what America stands for.

This coming from the same GOP cloth that finds it is OK for the Government to be in your bedroom when it comes to who you are in bed with.

You can't have it both ways.

I dont hate Americans, I hate the government telling people how to live thier life, and nice job stereotyping me you ignoramus, when did I ever state that government should be in your bedroom, I said that I have no problem with gays and the government should stay out of the way

 

[Wreckem]

Companies should not hire employees unless the company can afford to pay a decent wage.

Everything always goes way over your head. Its pointless.

 

[alzan]

Why?

Because it is JACK IN THE BOX.

Maybe he should have started training for something more before he got his GF pregnant.

But know, he was thinking with the wrong head.

So upping the minimum wage for an absolutely crappy job? No.


The only change I would go for would be simple. Eliminate that lower minimum wage thing for tipped employees. We need to start getting back to where tips meant you were happy for the service, not because someone needed it to live off of.

Be sure and let us all know when you either a) get the government to pass that law and enforce it; or b) get an notarized agreement from all current and future restaurant owners to pay their waiting staff a livable wage; as well as an agreement from the restaurant-going public that they'll continue to dine out on occasion and support the commiserate price hike to pay the waiting staff.

We won't hold our breath.

 

[nehalem256]

Companies should not hire employees unless the company can afford to pay a decent wage.

You still have failed to define this.

 

[Wreckem]

Be sure and let us all know when you either a) get the government to pass that law and enforce it; or b) get an notarized agreement from all current and future restaurant owners to pay their waiting staff a livable wage; as well as an agreement from the restaurant-going public that they'll continue to dine out on occasion and support the commiserate price hike to pay the waiting staff.

We won't hold our breath.

Restaurants are already required by law, to pay minimum wage. If a tipped person fails to meet the minimum wage with their $2.13+tips, the restaurant is required to pay the difference. If you can't hit minimum wage in a waiter/waitress job you aren't going to be around for long. People who should be waiting tables, make a decent living. Those who shouldn't, just shouldn't be waiting tables.

 

[Incorruptible]

You still have failed to define this.

There is no definition its just rhetoric

 

[Atreus21]

Yes I agree. Price floors create shortages. It's that simple.

 

[5150Joker]

I think minimum wage should be dictated by the size of a business. For example, if you have 0-10 employees then you should have a lower bar for minimum wage. If you are a large corporation like Walmart, then the pay should be above minimum wage + possibly healthcare benefits.

My family owns a small business and to hire just a few workers and pay them min. wage or slightly above takes a toll.

 

[Wreckem]

I think minimum wage should be dictated by the size of a business. For example, if you have 0-10 employees then you should have a lower bar for minimum wage. If you are a large corporation like Walmart, then the pay should be above minimum wage + possibly healthcare benefits.

My family owns a small business and to hire just a few workers and pay them min. wage or slightly above takes a toll.

You are aware Wal Mart already does that right?

 

[Texashiker]

You still have failed to define this.

Define a decent wage?

Being able to buy an average priced home in the area where the person works
Being able to buy an average priced car/suv or truck in the area where the person works
Affordable benefits package
Having money left over for extra things in life

A decent liveable wage should be common sense. To ask what a liveable wage is implies you have no life experience and you live in your moms basement.

 

[5150Joker]

You are aware Wal Mart already does that right?

Walmart was just one example. I mean as a general rule for any corporation that employs an X amount of people that meet this requirement.

 

[Incorruptible]

If employers are required to pay more a livable wage all that happens is the costs get passed on to the customer

 

[cybrsage]

If anything, minimum wage for fortune 500 companies should be increased.

My cousin works at jack in the box, his girlfriend recently had a baby. Guess what, since jack in the box pays minimum wage, the mom and baby get welfare.

Why should our tax dollars supplement jack in the boxs benefits package?

Why not pay the employees a liveable wage and offer benefits? Because doing do would take money away from the ceo.

How much are you willing to pay for a burger? $10 for one?

 

[Texashiker]

If employers are required to pay more a livable wage all that happens is the costs get passed on to the customer

How did companies back in the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s,,, pay their employees a decent wage, and people were able to afford to buy stuff?

Its called greed, look it up sometime.

How much did the average CEO make in the 1950s, as compared to today?

How much are you willing to pay for a burger? $10 for one?

How about the owner of jack in the box make a few million less?