Matt1970
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To avoid poverty a woman is better off marrying a guy with just a HS diploma than being a college educated single mom.
Owned.
Owned.
HumblePie
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Stoning happens today in some places around the world. Especially some religious middle east countries.
Also, what happened during that time frame was a lot of infanticide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
Woman tended to hide themselves and then kill or abandon babies as soon as they were born if they had a child out of wedlock.
As for bastardy.
http://alanmacfarlane.com/TEXTS/bastardy.pdf
There is also notes about while many things were recorded back then, most was not.
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DrPizza
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Don't worry, Texashiker, a lot of other people have trouble realizing that correlation doesn't equal causation.
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Care to explain?
Seems to me people in this thread are more concerned with posting insults rather than discussing the linked article in the opening post.
DrPizza
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Wait...
Is Texashiker saying that birth control has caused more children to be born out of wedlock? I'm not sure he knows what birth control is used for.
Is Texashiker saying that birth control has caused more children to be born out of wedlock? I'm not sure he knows what birth control is used for.
That happens today. In fact it was so common that laws were passed to make it so women could dump their babies consequence free at a hospital.
DrPizza
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Factually the out of wedlock birth rate has increased with greater access to birth control
Every analysis requires a plausible causal mechanism. Can you explain to us the causal mechanism that has made the advent of birth control lead to more children being born out of wedlock?
Can you explain to us the causal mechanism that has made the advent of birth control lead to more children being born out of wedlock?
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Is birth control 100% effective?
Do condoms break? I have a grandson thanks to a broken condom.
Do antibiotics interfere with the birth control pill?
Geosurface
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Amusing, but unlike ice cream and murder I don't think it's completely out of this world to wonder if there is a connection between birth control and out of wedlock births because the connecting vector could be a general societal erosion of respect for the institution of marriage and its importance.
Just a thought. I actually support birth control and abortion.
Wait, your argument is that the failure rate for birth control accounts for more out of wedlock births than the existence of birth control prevents????
Wow, you're going to need some pretty impressive evidence to back that up. Let me guess, you have none.
Exactly! The difference between the two is simple: causation occurs when you like the person who is presenting the information, while correlation occurs when you dislike the person presenting the information.
Everyone who is jumping on the correlation vs. causation, do the exact same thing on a range of other topics.
Exactly! The difference between the two is simple: causation occurs when you like the person who is presenting the information, while correlation occurs when you dislike the person presenting the information.
Everyone who is jumping on the correlation vs. causation, do the exact same thing on a range of other topics.
No, the issue here is not that there is a correlation present, it's that it's very difficult to figure out a plausible causal mechanism for why one would cause the other.
MomentsofSanity
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Factually the out of wedlock birth rate has increased with greater access to birth control
Honest question. How accurate do you think the records are for the 40's, 50's etc... given the way society viewed anyone who gave birth out of wedlock which lead to many people being shipped off and hidden who was pregnant, or children to be claimed to be born to the parents of the actual birth mother?
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Sexual revolution, television, music, womens rights groups, feminist,,, teach girls it is ok to have out sex with no commitments.
Men naturally want to have sex. Its what we do.
Birth control is wide spread and socially acceptable.
When you combine all of those, things can and will go wrong.
Did you read the linked article in the opening post?
Without access to effective birth control and abortion people will tend to be a lot more careful about who/when they have sex. Such lack of access also leads to a general societal stigma against pre-marital sex for obvious reasons.
Since birth control has a failure rate, especially when combined with general human stupidity, you get a rise in the bastard rate.
HumblePie
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Dropping a child off legally at a police station, fire station, church, orphanage, or hospital isn't quite as bad a dropping them into rivers.
But the point remains, the good ol' days were anything but.
I have never seen any evidence claiming the numbers were unreliable. I would think if there was evidence to this there would be ample people who would love to jump at the chance to prove there hasn't been a break down in societal values after all.
And the reason that such a law was passed is that women were still killing their babies and dumping them in a river.
Perhaps if safe-haven laws had existed in the past there would have been less infanticide
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