Time Magazine: Toying With Terror Alerts?

sadguy

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Right on. Echoes what many of us have already suspected.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1211369,00.html

In these perilous days, we must be ready to think the unthinkable. No, I don't mean the possibility of a catastrophic terrorist attack. After 9/11, that's all too easy to imagine. No, I'm talking about a thought that even now seldom forces its way into respectable conversation: the quite reasonable suspicion that the Bush Administration orchestrates its terror alerts and arrests to goose the GOP's poll numbers.

Now, I'm a respectable columnist. I don't want to draw rolled eyes. But think about it.

The 18 months prior to the 2004 presidential election witnessed a barrage of those ridiculous color-coded terror alerts, quashed-plot headlines and breathless press conferences from Administration officials. Warnings of terror attacks over the Christmas 2003 holidays, warnings over summer terror attacks at the 2004 political conventions, then a whole slew of warnings of terror attacks to disrupt the election itself. Even the timing of the alerts seemed to fall with odd regularity right on the heels of major political events. One of Department of Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge's terror warnings came two days after John Kerry picked John Edwards as his running mate; another came three days after the end of the Democratic convention.

So it went right through the 2004 election. And then not long after the champagne corks stopped popping at Bush campaign headquarters, terror alerts seemed to go out of style. The color codes became yesterday's news. With the exception of one warning about mass-transit facilities in response to the London bombing on July 7, 2005, that was pretty much it until this summer. I live in lower Manhattan and my wife works in a building overlooking Ground Zero. So I want to know when something's really up and not worry that I'm getting bamboozled to amp the President's approval rating.

Can I prove any of this was politically motivated? Of course not. But that's the magic of the terror-alert song and dance. There's no way to know. All the key facts are veiled in secrecy, as they must be. So it's impossible to know from the outside whether it's on the level or not. But with another election looming, it seems we're about to get a bunch of new chances to wonder.

On June 23, cable-news channels went gonzo over a raid on a homegrown terror cell in Miami that foiled an alleged plot to blow up Chicago's Sears Tower. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales held a press conference to announce the arrests. Even Vice President Dick Cheney weighed in and called the group a "very real threat." He did so at a political fundraiser.

But as often is the case in these announcements, it turned out to be a lot less than advertised, unless you were a writer for Saturday Night Live. When the FBI raided the abandoned warehouse where the group hung out in Miami's impoverished Liberty City neighborhood, they found no weapons, no money and no evidence of ties to any terrorist group anywhere. Indeed, these would-be jihadis were so early in their planning for jihad that they hadn't yet set aside time to become Muslims. The group, according to a follow-up report from Reuters, "mixes Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Freemasonry, Gnosticism and Taoism." Their covert methods included taking turns guarding the abandoned warehouse (which served as their clubhouse) wearing black uniforms, ski masks and combat boots in the hot Florida summer. Their leader, Narseal Batiste, roamed the streets in a bathrobe with a crooked wooden staff recruiting men to join his group. The oath of allegiance to al-Qaeda they allegedly made to an FBI informant seems as likely as not to have been prompted by the informants' offer of new pairs of boots for the gang. Shoes were apparently in short supply.

You don't need to be a Muslim or even that bright a bulb to create deadly mayhem. Richard Reid, the would-be shoe bomber, was a klutz, but one who might have downed an airliner en route to the U.S. in the days after 9/11. But the Miami warehouse cult that gave Cheney the willies seemed like they'd have trouble finding a Sears let alone blowing up the Sears Tower.

Two weeks later there was another report of a foiled plot, this one a far more serious-sounding scheme to blow up the Holland Tunnel, which connects New Jersey to Manhattan. Sensing their credibility might be running thin, FBI officials as well as members of media started referring to these plotters as the "real deal" plotters, presumably to distinguish them from whack jobs in Miami. These guys too, it turned out, hadn't done much more than talk in an Internet chat room about blowing something up. And their plan to flood downtown New York City with sea water from a demolished tunnel would have been complicated a bit by the fact that, unlike New Orleans, Manhattan is well above sea level.

The "tell" in this case was the date. The FBI got wind of this plot last summer and arrests were made back in April. So why did we hear about them on July 7, the anniversary of the London bombings? I believe the question answers itself. The story was leaked to pump up the anniversary of the London subway bombings on July 7, 2005, and remind people that if it could happen in London it could happen here. The dozens if not hundreds of law enforcement folks who worked on thwarting this embryonic plot were not part of some political scheme. But whoever chose July 7 to leak the story clearly was. With the mid-term election less than four months away, for some people, that's a helpful message.

 

Polish3d

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It just keeps getting worse. What's the history on this with other admins doing stuff like this ?
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: Frackal
It just keeps getting worse. What's the history on this with other admins doing stuff like this ?

No history, the terror alerts are new. Maybe you meant something else by "this". This has Rove written all over it...
 

Genx87

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I knew this topic was going to be brought back from the dead with the latest round of warnings from those 40 dimwits trying to down 10 planes.

The left keeps recycling their talking points, only a matter of time till they come back around on the wheel o doom.
 
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It's just the coincidental timing, why no alerts after the election with so many before? If you can't see the timing, you're either not looking for it or you're blind.
 

Polish3d

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It's bad for the economy to run terror alerts so perhaps they do not when it isn't politically expedient. I am more willing to accept the plausibility of this because of Ron Suskind's "One Percent Doctrine" which I recently finished. In it, he documents that the Bush admin exaggerated the usefulness of Zubadyah (sp) for political reasons, misrepresented why Qadaffi gave up his nuclear weapons program, the question of whether Tenet really used the term "slam dunk" (Tenet doesn't remember saying it), among other things. Assuming the accuracy of that, this thing isn't too hard to believe.

This shiat happens, the Clinton admin supposedly struck Iraq (which killed people) to divert attention from the Lewinsky thing, but I haven't looked into it and besides, its unalterable history, whereas Bush is the current pres. No matter what this ****** is unacceptable, really unacceptable.
 

Starbuck1975

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It's just the coincidental timing, why no alerts after the election with so many before? If you can't see the timing, you're either not looking for it or you're blind.
Or we dismiss such allegations as unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

Let's look at the facts of this current terror alert. The investigation did not occur on American soil, and from what we know so far, actually involved Pakistani and British intelligence collaborating on tracking suspected Al Quaida operatives...dating to information gathered several months ago in an unrelated arrest.

If the Bush Administration is able to manipulate international intelligence operations, and orchestrate said activities to align with American elections, then perhaps it is not as incompetent as some of you claim.

Bush cannot simultaneously be the buffoon you paint him as and a mastermind of political intrigue.

And I wonder why Target was out of tin foil this afternoon.
 

Polish3d

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Bush could be good with people which makes him a decent politician, but bad at making serious strategic decisions. His political strategists could be the ones suggesting this stuff. This incident seems like a pretty serious one but it's hard to know. If this incident isn't a case of politically motivated alert-raising, it doesn't mean previous cases of it weren't, which could make people think future cases that are perhaps real (like this case) are from the same motivation
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
It's just the coincidental timing, why no alerts after the election with so many before? If you can't see the timing, you're either not looking for it or you're blind.
Or we dismiss such allegations as unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

Let's look at the facts of this current terror alert. The investigation did not occur on American soil, and from what we know so far, actually involved Pakistani and British intelligence collaborating on tracking suspected Al Quaida operatives...dating to information gathered several months ago in an unrelated arrest.

If the Bush Administration is able to manipulate international intelligence operations, and orchestrate said activities to align with American elections, then perhaps it is not as incompetent as some of you claim.

Bush cannot simultaneously be the buffoon you paint him as and a mastermind of political intrigue.

And I wonder why Target was out of tin foil this afternoon.


You only look at ONE terror alert and dismiss the whole issue in the magiazine?
 

Starbuck1975

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You only look at ONE terror alert and dismiss the whole issue in the magiazine?
I dismiss the entire argument because it makes several logical leaps without any evidence to support its core theory...this article is very much an opinion piece, and not a very good one.

It could very well be that terrorist groups purposely time their attacks around election years as a means of influencing said elections...it certainly worked out that way in Spain.
Which would certainly correlate to the timing of terror alerts and our elections.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
You only look at ONE terror alert and dismiss the whole issue in the magiazine?
I dismiss the entire argument because it makes several logical leaps without any evidence to support its core theory...this article is very much an opinion piece, and not a very good one.

It could very well be that terrorist groups purposely time their attacks around election years as a means of influencing said elections...it certainly worked out that way in Spain.
Which would certainly correlate to the timing of terror alerts and our elections.

The Miami group??? Padilla? Those don't exactly fall in line with your theory.
 

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If we keep up our record as a monster to the rest of the world it won't be the timing of threats of terrorist attacks that we will be discussing but an endless stream of actual attacks.
 

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
It's just the coincidental timing, why no alerts after the election with so many before? If you can't see the timing, you're either not looking for it or you're blind.
Or we dismiss such allegations as unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

Let's look at the facts of this current terror alert. The investigation did not occur on American soil, and from what we know so far, actually involved Pakistani and British intelligence collaborating on tracking suspected Al Quaida operatives...dating to information gathered several months ago in an unrelated arrest.

If the Bush Administration is able to manipulate international intelligence operations, and orchestrate said activities to align with American elections, then perhaps it is not as incompetent as some of you claim.

Bush cannot simultaneously be the buffoon you paint him as and a mastermind of political intrigue.

And I wonder why Target was out of tin foil this afternoon.


You mean Rove and Cheney. Take out the name Bush from your post and put in Rove and Cheney if you want to talk about who is really steering the ship.
 

jpeyton

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Is this story just online or in the magazine too? With Time behind it, it will at least get significantly more reads, and will get people talking.

People are tired of this terror alert BS.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Is this story just online or in the magazine too? With Time behind it, it will at least get significantly more reads, and will get people talking.

People are tired of this terror alert BS.

I'm running out of duct tape and plastic for my windows.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Frackal
This shiat happens, the Clinton admin supposedly struck Iraq (which killed people) to divert attention from the Lewinsky thing, but I haven't looked into it and besides, its unalterable history, whereas Bush is the current pres. No matter what this ****** is unacceptable, really unacceptable.
It was Al Queda.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I knew this topic was going to be brought back from the dead with the latest round of warnings from those 40 dimwits trying to down 10 planes.

The left keeps recycling their talking points, only a matter of time till they come back around on the wheel o doom.

That's funny...this is where a rebuttal would normally go, but all I hear is that old standard of righty tactics...insinuations about the left. Interesting...
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
You only look at ONE terror alert and dismiss the whole issue in the magiazine?
I dismiss the entire argument because it makes several logical leaps without any evidence to support its core theory...this article is very much an opinion piece, and not a very good one.

It could very well be that terrorist groups purposely time their attacks around election years as a means of influencing said elections...it certainly worked out that way in Spain.
Which would certainly correlate to the timing of terror alerts and our elections.

The terrorists time everything around democrat announcements...gotcha......And the terrorists do things around the elections to HELP Bush get re-elected.. gotcha.. those terrorists... the ones that hate Bush... they don't seem too bright under your theory.

 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I knew this topic was going to be brought back from the dead with the latest round of warnings from those 40 dimwits trying to down 10 planes.

The left keeps recycling their talking points, only a matter of time till they come back around on the wheel o doom.



Hahaha... That is some good ******!
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Genx87
I knew this topic was going to be brought back from the dead with the latest round of warnings from those 40 dimwits trying to down 10 planes.

The left keeps recycling their talking points, only a matter of time till they come back around on the wheel o doom.



Hahaha... That is some good ******!

Speaking of recycling their talking points, remember the "terror alert" that just happened to coincide with the end of the Democratic Convention in 2004? Or the "terror alert" about imminent attacks against buildings in New York, Newark, NJ, and Chicage that made huge headlines just before the 2004 election that turned out to be based on TWO YEAR OLD INTELLIGNECE???

Yeah, recycling talking points or recycling "terror alerts", the "right" is certainly as guilty or more than anyone.

 

Rainsford

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Most of you who read this forum know I'm not exactly a standard bearer for alarmist conspiracy theories...I generally tend to dismiss them as nonsense, even the ones that would seem to benefit my political "team". My feeling is that we have enough REAL arguments, there is no need to bring out the silly ones and make ourselves look less credible in the process.

That being said, it seems pretty clear that terror alerts are, in addition to being used every once in a while for a real reason (the thwarted attack this week and the bombing in London last year), quite often being used as nothing more than a political tool. The same goes for the "terror" press conferences. Sometimes they really are used to keep us informed of a real threat, but often they seem to be intentionally overblown simply to make political points for the Republicans, who learned long ago that the more afraid you are, the more likely you are to vote Republican. No one can dispute the timing of terror alerts before and after the 2004 election, and the season before the midterm elections certainly seems to have its fair share of terror alerting as well. And there is clear evidence that terror alerts, or other reminders of the threat of terrorism, give a significant boost to Bush's approval ratings.

Those facts are indisputable, but I suppose that the interpretation is up in the air. After all, who's to say that it's not just coincidence? Perhaps political activity is actually a target of terrorists, perhaps they want to stir up the elections over here by timing their actions around political ones. Of course this begs the question of why terrorists want the Republicans to win, after all, Republicans are supposedly (according to Republicans) the only ones who want to fight terrorists...but if Dems are so eager to lay down and surrender, it seems like the terrorists could be doing more to help them win. But in either case, the reason this "coincidence" seems less plausible is that, with a few previously noted exceptions, terror alerts and the terror-inducing news conferences seem to have very little to do with real threats. The bozos in Florida provide an excellent example, they did not seem to have the capability to carry out any attacks at all...yet Bush and Co were acting like those losers were a group of crack terrorist commandos. As for the terror alerts themselves, they never really seem to result in anything...and there is never any follow up. They sound a lot more like reminders that we are not safe in general than helpful warnings.
 

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The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level, Ridge now says.

Ridge, who resigned Feb. 1, said Tuesday that he often disagreed with administration officials who wanted to elevate the threat level to orange, or "high" risk of terrorist attack, but was overruled.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-10-ridge-alerts_x.htm

This is old news and is known by all except apologist with their heads in their a$$, Genx87 and his crowd...