nick1985
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Hayabusa Rider
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I'll give it a shot. Obama and the Dems have fallen short in the eyes of the independents, who determine the results of the elections. We weren't happy with the last guy, and the Dems haven't proven competent. You may disagree, but if you are a partisan you'll vote the party line with few exceptions and that pretty much one side cancels the other out.
We independents aren't impressed.
Pens1566
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zsdersw
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Hayabusa Rider said:
I'm referring to my comment about the Republicans not having a Newt Gingrich ala 1994 to lead them and create a coherent message. Since they don't have one, like they did in 1994, 2010 will not be as bad for the Democrats as 1994 was.
Polls and Obama/Democrat woes do not address that.
nick1985
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Larry Sabato predicts a Republican House majority
1. In a report issued this morning, University of Virginia political handicapper Larry Sabato estimated that Republicans will pick up 47 seats in the House on Nov. 2, more than enough to restore the party to majority status at the start of the 112th Congress.
"Conditions have deteriorated badly for Democrats over the summer," writes Sabato. "The economy appears rotten, with little chance of a substantial comeback by November 2nd. Unemployment is very high, income growth sluggish, and public confidence quite low."
He adds: "To most voters--fair or not--it seems that President Obama has over-promised and under-delivered."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/-1-2-3-5.html
I guess he predicts a few less seats than what they got in 94. Point still stands, Democrats are going to get creamed. To think otherwise right now is delusional.
1. In a report issued this morning, University of Virginia political handicapper Larry Sabato estimated that Republicans will pick up 47 seats in the House on Nov. 2, more than enough to restore the party to majority status at the start of the 112th Congress.
"Conditions have deteriorated badly for Democrats over the summer," writes Sabato. "The economy appears rotten, with little chance of a substantial comeback by November 2nd. Unemployment is very high, income growth sluggish, and public confidence quite low."
He adds: "To most voters--fair or not--it seems that President Obama has over-promised and under-delivered."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/-1-2-3-5.html
I guess he predicts a few less seats than what they got in 94. Point still stands, Democrats are going to get creamed. To think otherwise right now is delusional.
GTaudiophile
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Looks like the Germans are having their cake and eating too...
An efficient, manufacturing-based economy. Lower unemployment than the US. Higher economic growth than the US. A dual-education system, providing workers for their manufacturing-based economy. Greener urban landscapes, bolstered by a booming "green" industry. And last but not least, one of the world's best social-market economies. Not to mention, Autobahns, Oktoberfest, etc.
Not bad.
An efficient, manufacturing-based economy. Lower unemployment than the US. Higher economic growth than the US. A dual-education system, providing workers for their manufacturing-based economy. Greener urban landscapes, bolstered by a booming "green" industry. And last but not least, one of the world's best social-market economies. Not to mention, Autobahns, Oktoberfest, etc.
Not bad.
Hayabusa Rider
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No, and it wasn't addressed by "health care reform" either. As usual, DC starts top down and doesn't take into account why there's health care to begin with. It should have been called the "Regulation of the Insurance industry".
It in no way decreases costs (which was the wrong way to think about this to begin with) and doesn't address the quality of care.
What should have been done is that instead of a partisan hack job people who have a clue should have been called in before a single letter was committed to paper to examine the entire system with the goal of improving patient outcomes. Improved outcomes in turn reduce additional treatments which in turn reduces costs.
No one got that, but we have "health care reform". Thank Cthulhu that they didn't design the Saturn V by legislation. It would have blown up every time.
BoomerD
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As I've said before, the average American voter can't remember what the hell he had for breakfast, he dammed sure can't remember that it was Bush and 6 years of Republican control (or lack of control) that got the USA into this mess in the first place...It's for sure he doesn't remember that it was the Republicans who caused the financial meltdown in the first place with their Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that removed many of the financial safeguards that kept banks and investment houses in check.
No sirree...the Average American voter expected Obama to take office, wave his magic wand, and everything would be all hunky-dory again...
No sirree...the Average American voter expected Obama to take office, wave his magic wand, and everything would be all hunky-dory again...
Jaskalas
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Maybe they expected that, hell I'm sure they did. It did not help when Obama promised it and proclaimed the Summer of Recovery that wasn't. Mission accomplished, only this time it's personal and hits home.
hal2kilo
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Yea, bu, bu , bu Clinton sighed it, so he and the Democratic party own it. So saith the Repugs.
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No, it's not.
2008 GDP was higher than 2009. It's too early to speak about about 2010; but it doesn't look to be better at this point.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com...&fy=fy11&chart=&bar=0&stack=1&size=m&title=US Gross Domestic Product GDP History&state=US&color=c&local=s
The unemployment rate was 5.4% in Jan 2008, it's now at 9.6% or thereabouts.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds...ate&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment+rate
Fern
Jaskalas
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Maybe the very essence of Obama's decline is that the Stimulus bill was supposed to fix things. They fought a hard battle for it and Democrats clung to the notion that, after that, everything was okay. That they caused a recovery that did not exist.
After believing their own lies, the Democrats and Obama have delayed a real solution, a real stimulus, for far too long. It may be inaction, and the ineffective action of a year and a half old stimulus bill that has everyone upset.
You don't have to wave a magic wand, but you do have to at least pretend to live in reality and actually CARE, and actually attempt to fix the problem instead of beating your chest and singing praise over this supposed recovery.
After believing their own lies, the Democrats and Obama have delayed a real solution, a real stimulus, for far too long. It may be inaction, and the ineffective action of a year and a half old stimulus bill that has everyone upset.
You don't have to wave a magic wand, but you do have to at least pretend to live in reality and actually CARE, and actually attempt to fix the problem instead of beating your chest and singing praise over this supposed recovery.
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Yes he is becoming unpopular. The problem is there's no one on the horizon any better from either party. Right now the Republicans have the Tea Party Clowns who are all rhetoric and no substance. By 2012 they'll be exposed and the Republicans will be back to square one.
On the other side, if the Republicans take control of the house that cancer named Pelosi will be muzzled Obama won't have her dragging him down and he "might" recover some of his popularity.
On the other side, if the Republicans take control of the house that cancer named Pelosi will be muzzled Obama won't have her dragging him down and he "might" recover some of his popularity.
Jaskalas
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Just how does a Democrat President survive a Republican Congress? I'm just not sure how losing legislative power helps President Obama.
nick1985
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It would help him if he had half a brain and moved to the center to pass legislation that isn't so bitterly opposed by Americans, like Clinton did after '94.
Problem is Obama is a die hard idealogue who wont budge or change.
zsdersw
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Red Dawn
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Helped Clinton by allowing him to make them his bitch. Instead of him getting the blame they got it.
Anyway as we saw with Bush and Obama having the White House and Congress in the grasp of one party wasn't/hasn't been that good for America.
Jaskalas
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All of Clinton's strengths are (thus far) Obama's weaknesses. Economy, public relations.
Sound reasoning, but for the average voter? No way.
Pens1566
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nick1985
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nick1985
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Of course you would. You are infatuated with Obama. You do not believe anything if it puts Obama in poor light. He can do no wrong.
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zsdersw
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/opinion/19brooks.html?_r=1
David Brooks is hardly one who "loves" Obama. Neither am I.
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Quite easily, in fact.
How does a democratic President survive a Democratic controlled Congress is the more difficult question.
Right now, because of his inexperience IMO, Obamma is Pelosi and Reid's bitch. Pelosi is largely responsible for the mostly unpopular stim package. Reid is no better. You can disagree with that. But there are many strategic advantages in politics would he have to to deal with (or suffer with) a Repub controlled Congress. Others above have pointed this out.
At the very least, you end up with a more centrist type government, IMO this is popular with the vast majority; perhaps not with 'progressives' or neocon types, but certainly with most I believe.
Fern
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