Tim McVeigh doesn't deserve this much attention

gittyup

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I have been looking at the footage on TV of the area sorrounding the prison where this POS will be executed. There are news trucks from bumper to bumper coming from all over the country and beyond to cover the execution. I can't help but think he does not deserve any of this attention. He does not deserve any spotlight in his life or death. There should be no news trucks, no reporters, and no coverage as a message to say we are not going to waste our time with you. How about just a short mention in the evening news. He is not sorry. He is not remorseful. And in my opinion is not considered a human being. His life should end with noone giving his pathetic existance on this earth another thought.

His hatred toward the US gov is what prompted this right winger to commit this horrid act of domestic violence. I say to these right winger maitia types that do not like our gov, then get the hell out of this great country. We don't want you either. Deport their asses elsewhere. Let them live in a country where they truly have no say and no rights.

My 2 cents of ranting.
 

NakaNaka

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he commited the single worst act of terrorism in United States history what did you expect?
 

Looney

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They're not glorifying anything.

Main Entry: glo·ri·fy
Pronunciation: 'glOr-&-"fI, 'glor-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -fied; -fy·ing
Etymology: Middle English glorifien, from Middle French glorifier, from Late Latin glorificare, from gloria
Date: 14th century
1 a : to make glorious by bestowing honor, praise, or admiration b : to elevate to celestial glory
2 : to light up brilliantly <a large chandelier glorifies the whole room>
3 a : to represent as glorious : EXTOL <a song glorifying romantic love> b : to cause to be or seem to be better than the actual condition <the new position is just a glorified version of the old stockroom job>
4 : to give glory to (as in worship)


They're reporting the news... if people weren't interested, then they wouldn't. But people DO want to know. Like NakaNaka said, he committed the single worst act of terrorism in the US... so this IS big news.
 

gittyup

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But people DO want to know

Know what. His last meal. His last words. His last crap. Who the hell cares what he does before he is executed. He is a heart-less killer.




BTW, thanks for the definition, that was realllllyyyyy helpful. :p
 

Looney

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I don't know what you've been watching, but i have no idea what his last meal or crap is going to be... and i don't care. But people are interested in the execution. It won't be a flashy event or anything... there'll be the media outside, waiting, maybe saying a few words and showing some clips of the aftermath of the bombing. They'll show the crowd that's waiting outside to hear the news... and they'll show the opposing people that don't want the death penalty to occur. And then some guy in a suit will come out and say that's it's done, that he's dead at so and so time. After that, they may interview a few viewers, but that's goign to be the extent of it. No fireworks, no memorial service for him... maybe a little cheering that he's dead, but that's it. It won't be spectacular and definitely won't be 'glorifying' him.
 

4824guy

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The sooner he is gone, the sooner we can start forgetting about him. I feel sorry for the people that he has hurt or killed, and thier families. The sooner he is not breathing, the sooner these people can forget about this pr!ck and heal alittle. He will be in the news for the next few days, but hopefully he will just become a bad memory soon.
 

chainbolt

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right, killing him right away, is not good enough. He should sit for the rest of his sorry life, work very hard and contemplate about his miserable existence.
 

Imported

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A lehtal injection isn't enough for this guy.. he should be put into a building and let that thing blow up.. :|
 

robp

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The media always glorifies these things. Another prime example is Columbine.
 

Elledan

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Killing McVeigh will make him a martyr.

After his execution, be sure to watch the news for the next terrorist attacks, for those will most certainly come again.
McVeigh will then be an example and an idol to those 'new' terrorists.

Also, by killing McVeigh, the US shows that it's no better than McVeigh: they're killing a defenseless man, just like McVeigh killed defenseless men and women.
 

chainbolt

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<< Killing McVeigh will make him a martyr.

After his execution, be sure to watch the news for the next terrorist attacks, for those will most certainly come again.
McVeigh will then be an example and an idol to those 'new' terrorists.

Also, by killing McVeigh, the US shows that it's no better than McVeigh: they're killing a defenseless man, just like McVeigh killed defenseless men and women.
>>




I second on this, nobody has the right to take deliberatly a life of a human being.
 

UglyCasanova

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<< I second on this, nobody has the right to take deliberatly a life of a human being. >>



You say that, but were you in OKC at the time? I lived there and believe me he caused hell! Several people I knew either died or lost relatives who died. The man needs to die.
 

Looney

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I'm normally against the death penalty... only because i'm convince there are innocent people being put to death. But in McVeigh's case, where there's absolutely no doubt he did it, i think he should. And yes, revenge is part of it... but another is to know he's never going to enjoy anything in this life again. There are some people, who even though they kill, deserves another chance at life... to reform themselves and learn from their mistakes, but in a case as heinous as this, it's hard to justify why he should be given a second chance.

This was completely intentional... it wasn't a passionate moment of anger, or of temporary insanity where he wasn't thinking straight... this was planned methodically for a year, with the plan to kill hundreds of innocent people for the crime (or so he believes) of somebody elses (federal government). If he lives, he may not be a martyr, but he would be a hero. He could be writing books and giving interviews of his beliefs. He would be worship by those insane militias, and who knows, he could actually plan more terror even though he's behind bars.

Like i said, i'm normally against harsh sentences and the death penalty, because i believe most people deserve a second chance in life... not everybody grows up and are raised in the proper environment, and sometimes people get mislead and take the wrong path in life. But they should deserve a chance to reform and lead a better life. But in this case, i don't think he should, because if anything, he'll spread more terror being alive. Look, most maniacs would at least claim some remorse (or at least fake it) for what they did... but he didn't. He wants to be remembered for what he did... so leaving him alive, do you think he'll just settle for wasting away and being forgotten behind bars? Not likely, he'll continue trying to bring sensationalism to him and his cause... and most likely that would come through more violence sooner or later.

End it now and let the world go on... i'm not saying the world is evolving around him, but letting him live, i guarantee you we'll hear more about him in the future. Kill him now and the only time we'll hear about him is with the occassional biography.
 

Lucky

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&quot;The media always glorifies these things. Another prime example is Columbine. &quot;

Hardly. :| Tell me how those of us who covered columbine, who were there before police were shooting pictures of it, who had PTSD afterwards, &quot;glorified&quot; it.

1 a : to make glorious by bestowing honor, praise, or admiration b : to elevate to celestial glory


Now explain again how we glorified it?
 

TimberWolf

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<< Killing McVeigh will make him a martyr. >>



Not likely, although it's the most favored (and un-supported) argument offered by death penalty opponants. The current media trends of creating news, rather than reporting it, and &quot;Angst Empathy&quot; demand endless &quot;exit interviews&quot; of those who will watch the video feed to inquire &quot;Do you feel better now?&quot;. The media reserves the right to confer martyrdom solely unto themselves . . .



<< After his execution, be sure to watch the news for the next terrorist attacks, for those will most certainly come again. McVeigh will then be an example and an idol to those 'new' terrorists.
>>



Again, not likely. Much to the media's collective disappointment, after 6+ years of their obsession with him, nobody has taken any hostages or planted any bombs in an attempt to publicize any &quot;Free McVeigh&quot; movement. And contrary to the media spin (which many have bought into), McVeigh's political agenda was and is questionable at best. A success at mass-murder doesn't qualify him as a &quot;terrorist&quot;.



<< Also, by killing McVeigh, the US shows that it's no better than McVeigh: they're killing a defenseless man, just like McVeigh killed defenseless men and women. >>



By fulfilling a death sentence passed on McVeigh by a jury of his peers, the US government guarentees that we are never again troubled by him. Deterrence has always been a secondary aspect of a death penalty; and &quot;moral superiority&quot; is, and always has been, irrelevent to the issue (except to the anti-capital punishment crowd).

Claiming that a self-confessed, remorseless mass-murderer is a &quot;defenseless&quot; man is absurd, as is the assertion that his execution in some way equates to the slaughter he perpetrated on innocent men, women, and children (&quot;collaterol damage&quot; indeed).

He is nothing more than a rabid predator that was captured, and having exercised his right to defend himself under the legal system, has earned the consequences of his actions.
 

Looney

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Yeah, i don't think you guys mean to use the word 'glorify', because that just seems obscene to think that the media really is doing that. I think you guys meant sensationalize, which the media does tend to do... but that's only because there's a market for it.

Main Entry: sen·sa·tion·al
Pronunciation: -shn&amp;l, -sh&amp;-n&amp;l
Function: adjective
Date: 1840
1 : of or relating to sensation or the senses
2 : arousing or tending to arouse (as by lurid details) a quick, intense, and usually superficial interest, curiosity, or emotional reaction
3 : exceedingly or unexpectedly excellent or great


 

Lucky

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&quot;I think you guys meant sensationalize, which the media does tend to do... but that's only because there's a market for it.&quot;

Thanks! I knew we had one smart one here. ;)

 

Azoth

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McVeigh may be a terrorist of sorts, but IMHO I do not see a possibility that his overglorified firecracker did the damage that they are proclaiming to the OKC Federal Building.

Neither U-Haul or Ryder trucks are air-tight nor do they have the structural integrity to be set up as shaped charges. The media is to have us believe that a low grade fertilizer bomb outside a building was able to cause said building to partially collapse.

Without shaping the charge to cause the blast to send the shockwave to a specific area, all that McVeigh had was an overglorified firecracker.

A prime example, take gunpowder and put it in a lightly sealed can with air pockets and your effect would be a loud *boom* followed by a mild concussion. Even if you were to place this right next to a building, the effect would be a scorch mark on the building and the high possibility that glass would be shattered in the building and nearby buildings.

Take the same gunpowder and put it in a can, compress it, shape the area of effect toward the wall of the building, and you will more than likely knock a portion of the wall down.

I am aware that gunpowder does not have the devestating effect that ammonium nitrate explosives do, however the theories of the explosives remain the same.

The media would have us believe that the truck did all the damage, and in all honesty could have, if the truck was located in the parking garage near a support beam, or even better between two support beams, the enclosed area of the garage could have held the shockwave and multiplied the force to the extent that it could have knocked out 2-4 support beams... That effect would have been similar to the Empire State Building bombing of a few years back.

When a company is hired to demolish a building, look at the number of shaped charges required to cause the damage. They have to be placed exactly, or the effect will not be accomplished.

Did anyone else notice that right before McVeigh caused such an uproar that the US Government was attempting to pass an &quot;anti-terrorist bill?&quot; Or for that matter, when the government was attemptint to pass a stricter gun law, a guy drove from California to the White House in record time and took pot shots with an SKS?

Did anyone also notice that for something that was supposedly so well planned by McVeigh that his primary targets were not even in the building at the time? The whole ATF staff was away on &quot;training&quot; and all that were left in the building were a few federal workers and quite a few civilian employees?

I agree that many will see McVeigh as a martyr for their cause, which is to fight back at the Government that has done so much to them, either indirectly or directly. There will be a rash of copy-cat, as well as a rash of injuries and accidents by children attempting to make something so unstble as fertilizer explosives. When the children make a fertilizer bomb, more than likely in the pipe bomb variety and take it to school, McVeigh will not be blamed for it by the media, the Internet and games will be blamed, as is common when children commit a crime.

I am not saying that this is not a tradegy, nor am I saying that McVeigh did not have the intentions of causing mass destruction and killing numerous people. What I am saying is that even with his &quot;accomplice,&quot; Terry Nichols, they did not have the force required in the detonation to cause the amount of destruction rendered unless they had more members in their party, and said other members had inside access to plant shaped C-4 or semtex charges directly to the concrete and steel support beams...

Flames on my opinion are gladly accepted and readily ignored