TIL: Building a clock in Texas is illegal

[CZroe]

The facts are not in dispute. You are defaming an innocent child. You should be ashamed of yourself. Of course, you're a shameless bigot, so that's not gonna happen. You'll just make up lies about brown people to confirm your hateful beliefs.

Where did I ever bring race into anything? Over the course of things, I actually FORGOT he was some other race and only thought about myself at his age in his situation. You're right that the facts aren't in dispute. I only disputed assumptions. I did not discount those assumptions either. He very well may have innocently made a clock thing with no intention of making it look like a bomb. He also very well may have been coached by his parents to do it for SJW or litigious purposes. Until you have proof of one or the other: Boo hoo.

 

[WelshBloke]

deniable hoax bomb

Excellent!

So, bomb, hoax bomb, possible hoax bomb, and deniable hoax bomb.

Any more?

 

[Red Squirrel]

So now we have bombs, hoax bombs, and possible hoax bombs.

This is great, are there any more classifications of not bombs you want to see people arrested for?

Maybe things that are shaped like a bomb, like if someone bites into a pop tart in such a way that it looks like the outline of a bomb. :biggrin:

 

[CZroe]

So now we have bombs, hoax bombs, and possible hoax bombs.

This is great, are there any more classifications of not bombs you want to see people arrested for?

Nope. We told you all along. You have to determine if it is a hoax to determine if it needs to be punished as a hoax. The response prior to that determination is the same. Duh. You keep trying to cast the response prior to that determination as being improper simply because it was later dismissed and treated as neither (doesn't mean it wasn't a deniable hoax, if you need another).

Real life isn't a black and white as you pretend and you can't just pretend that it is to draw your conclusions.

We've gone over this over and over but you glossed over it and kept goi g back to "show me where it is a bomb/hoax-bomb" over and over until I walked you through it like a 5yo.

 

[WelshBloke]

Maybe things that are shaped like a bomb, like if someone bites into a pop tart in such a way that it looks like the outline of a bomb. :biggrin:

I was wondering if he would go for "partial hoax bomb" and try to make it illegal to own batteries.

 

[WelshBloke]

Where did I ever bring race into anything? Over the course of things, I actually FORGOT he was some other race and only thought about myself at his age in his situation. You're right that the facts aren't in dispute. I only disputed assumptions. I did not discount those assumptions either. He very well may have innocently made a clock thing with no intention of making it look like a bomb. He also very well may have been coached by his parents to do it for SJW or litigious purposes. Until you have proof of one or the other: Boo hoo.

Ahh! I see where you're coming from.

You dont do the "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

To you, you cant "assume" that anyone is innocent, they are all potentially guilty unless they can prove things.

 

[CZroe]

Excellent!

So, bomb, hoax bomb, possible hoax bomb, and deniable hoax bomb.

Any more?

I'm sorry life isn't as black and white as you want it to be.

 

[WelshBloke]

We've gone over this over and over but you glossed over it and kept goi g back to "show me where it is a bomb/hoax-bomb" over and over until I walked you through it like a 5yo.

Yeah. Thats that "proof" thing that you need before you start saying that people are guilty of anything.

And yes you are acting like a 5 year old. At least you can see that.

 

[CZroe]

Ahh! I see where you're coming from.

You dont do the "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

To you, you cant "assume" that anyone is innocent, they are all potentially guilty unless they can prove things.

I absolutely do. I guess you've never heard of bail?

He wasn't punished and their suspicion was reasonable. Our constitution protects us from UNREASONABLE search and seizure and prevents them from detaining us without evidence/cause. They only had sufficient cause to question him so that's all they did.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm sorry life isn't as black and white as you want it to be.

Yeah you keep making those guilty/not guilty lines as fuzzy as you can fascist boy.

 

[Ichinisan]

The suspicion was not unreasonable. The brief detainment and questioning was appropriate.

If 14-year-old me made that, I would be worried about this happening -- even in 1994 (read: before 9/11). I'm Caucasian and my name doesn't sound ethnic at all.

Also, 14-year-old me would have been ashamed to build something so lame. I certainly wouldn't try to show off that I haphazardly crammed a clock's guts into a metal case and expect validation for that. That just seems...off. Maybe he didn't realize it, but the transformer has 120v AC running through it and it's dangling loose in a metal case. The first teacher should have warned him to not ever plug it in until he mounts the transformer securely, insulated from touching the case.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule

 

[WelshBloke]

The suspicion was not unreasonable.

Suspicion of what?

That he didnt have a bomb?

 

[waggy]

Suspicion of what?

That he didnt have a bomb?

fuck he has said it was possible that he might have had a fake hoax bomb. or in other words a clock!

haven't you heard of killing time? fucking terrorist in the making!

 

[Red Squirrel]

The suspicion was not unreasonable. The brief detainment and questioning was appropriate.

If 14-year-old me made that, I would be worried about this happening -- even in 1994 (read: before 9/11). I'm Caucasian and my name doesn't sound ethnic at all.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule

lol when I was that age I'd be drawing pictures of buildings blowing up on the back of my home work, because I just liked to draw destruction stuff for some reason. I did not actually want those things to happen, it was just fun to draw stuff blowing up, such as the school. Nobody ever questioned me about it. I can't imagine what would happen to me today... I wish I still had some of those drawings lol. By today's standards I'd probably be considered a radical islamist for drawing that stuff.

People need to realize that kids are kids, most don't even know or care what a terrorist is let alone want to join an organization or actually blow people up. Of course there are exceptions but don't punish everyone because of the new radicals. It's like putting sulphuric acid all over your lawn because of a dandelion.

 

[BUTCH1]

If you enlarge the picture (I supplied), and look carefully at the bottom right hand corner. You can see a moderately sized, metal box.

Depending on how he went around with that thing. That box, could help make it look like a bomb. He probably has got batteries in it. But others would NOT know this.

At this stage, we don't know (from anything I've seen about this story), if race, was a factor, in what happened.

We need to be vigilant. There are terrorist attacks (around the world), from time to time.

I would prefer there to be 25 bomb alerts, which finds one genuine bomb, and saves the lives of 26 (approximately) innocent individuals. But is wrong 24 out of 25 times.

Than one bomb gets through, and kills lots of innocent people.

It could have been a real bomb. We are not all experts in what a real bomb looks like.

If I have to choose between being politically correct (non-racial etc), but unsafe and blown up by terrorists.

Or not being 100% politically correct (racially speaking), but being a lot safer as a result.

I would prefer to be safe.

Yea, agree, the kid was not mistreated and he was released to his parents quickly. Once the device had a look-over any thought of filing any charges were dropped. I'm not seeing any problem here as to how it was handled.

 

[DrPizza]

You'd have to be the retarded child of watching too much television to think that's what a bomb looks like. You know what a bomb looks like? A pressure cooker. A moving truck. A wrapped in brown paper box. A pair of shoes. Name ONE terrorist bombing in the U.S. where the bomb looked like a clock with a great big timer. You can't.

 

[John Connor]

Fucker just got invited to the People's House.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Anyone in here defending the actions of the school or police are SCARED fucking idiots.

 

[Ichinisan]

You'd have to be the retarded child of watching too much television to think that's what a bomb looks like. You know what a bomb looks like? A pressure cooker. A moving truck. A wrapped in brown paper box. A pair of shoes. Name ONE terrorist bombing in the U.S. where the bomb looked like a clock with a great big timer. You can't.

If someone thought the kid made a hoax bomb, they'd expect it to be inspired by movies and TV shows.

 

[Ichinisan]

Anyone in here defending the actions of the school or police are SCARED fucking idiots.

So I'm "scared" because I don't blame them for checking it out?

I'm glad they didn't over-react and evacuate the school or call a bomb disposal team to detonate his clock. I couldn't be more pleased with their restraint in the way they handled it.

Talked to the kid. It's over.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

If someone thought the kid made a hoax bomb, they'd expect it to be inspired by movies and TV shows.

What kind of man wears Armour hot dogs?!

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

You'd have to be the retarded child of watching too much television to think that's what a bomb looks like. You know what a bomb looks like? A pressure cooker. A moving truck. A wrapped in brown paper box. A pair of shoes. Name ONE terrorist bombing in the U.S. where the bomb looked like a clock with a great big timer. You can't.

That could have easily been a bomb. To most people, who are not familiar with seeing complicated electronics and/or bomb technology.

School teachers, are NOT suppose to be experts in the latest bomb technologies.

If they have reason to believe that something might be a bomb (or a hoax bomb). Please alert the authorities.

Real bombs, follow...

 

[Ichinisan]

That could have easily been a bomb. To most people, who are not familiar with seeing complicated electronics and/or bomb technology.

School teachers, are NOT suppose to be experts in the latest bomb technologies.

If they have reason to believe that something might be a bomb (or a hoax bomb). Please alert the authorities.

Real bombs, follow...

...and they didn't seem to think it was a real bomb either. They thought it *might* be a hoax bomb.

 

[Aharami]

whaa?

are you insane? short on meds? something? How you don't understand what i said is rather amazing at this point.

both him and his brother often take these obtuse points and stubbornly stick to them. I think they are just trolling us.

 

[bononos]

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There you go again. That is all is was. Suspension is a punishment, yet there was no punishment/suspension issued. He was not kicked out of school or suspended from returning to school, he was taken out of class/school for questioning. He was not forced to miss a day as punishment, which is what it means to be "suspended from school." He went to school yesterday and he is welcome back today, meaning he missed a PARTIAL day due to REASONABLE concerns. Don't act childish by going back to "LOL! 'Reasonable?!' Only an idiot would think that looks like a bomb!" It looked REASONABLY like a hoax bomb, which is pretty serious on its own.

Where did you get the info that there was no suspension in the end?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/ahmed-mohameds-high-school-back-supports-teacher-reported/story?id=33829785
http://www.ktvu.com/news/now-trending/20460565-story

"He added that he was suspended for the clock for three days -- a punishment that Weaver said had not been lifted, even though police concluded that Ahmed's invention was not a bomb."

"Mohamed was suspended from school through Thursday. At a Wednesday afternoon press conference the teen said his suspension hadn’t been lifted by school officials despite charges not being pursued by police."

The racist idiots didn't bother to check the boys story with his science teacher but tried to browbeat him into admitting that he tried to make a bomb. Police are still keeping his 'bomb', probably to lessen future embarrassment. And the school continued his 3 day suspension.

No wonder the teen "has no desire to meet with MacArthur High School to further discuss the ordeal and has already made his decision to transfer to another school".