Tiger Woods #1 again in Golf

[JEDI]

http://www.cbssports.com/golf/blog/...er-woods-wins-at-bay-hill-for-the-eighth-time

wow

last time he was #1 was Oct. 30, 2010.
In his 16yr career, Tiger's had the #1 spot for ~75% of that time.

Tiger's back on the prowl!
assuming he doesnt do a Lance and his comeback is a result of illegal drugs.
wait.. does that even matter in Golf?

 

[MontyAC]

Tiger needs his blond chicks to golf well.

 

[JEDI]

Well, Tiger WAS leading the Masters at one point.
but he's still on the prowl, tied at 7th place at end of round 2

 

[stalin123]

Woods will always be #1.

 

[Printer Bandit]

Guan Tianlang, a 14yr old chinese 8th grader made the cut.

 

[JEDI]

Guan Tianlang, a 14yr old chinese 8th grader made the cut.

yup. +4 over par was the cut and he was +4.
altho he should only be +3.

WTF 1 shot penalty for slow shots?! there hasnt been a penalty issued at the Masters in the past 30yrs!

it would have REALLY REALLY sucked if that penalty caused him to miss the cut.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

assuming he doesnt do a Lance and his comeback is a result of illegal drugs.
wait.. does that even matter in Golf?

Maybe his comeback is a result of illegal drops.

Unless The Masters rules committee and CBS conspire to find a way to change/waive the rules of golf Tiger is going to get disqualified for taking an illegal drop on #15 during the second round.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Maybe his comeback is a result of illegal drops.

Unless The Masters rules committee and CBS conspire to find a way to change/waive the rules of golf Tiger is going to get disqualified for taking an illegal drop on #15 during the second round.

I think it's hilarious that something like this is even possible. Highly televised sport, judges everywhere, and no one notices in time to stop him? I know players are responsible for themselves but if this were my product I would be damn sure the primary draw of said product doesn't screw up and get DQ'd.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Well looks like it just came out that they're going to dock him another 2 strokes. Wow crazy to think it all happened because he hit a shot that was so good only the stick could screw it up.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I think it's hilarious that something like this is even possible. Highly televised sport, judges everywhere, and no one notices in time to stop him? I know players are responsible for themselves but if this were my product I would be damn sure the primary draw of said product doesn't screw up and get DQ'd.

We now have a resolution. CBS and the Masters cheated to allow Tiger to cheat without getting DQ'd. While he should have (and anyone else on Earth would have) been disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard because of the penalty, the powers that be didn't want him out. So they pretty much just looked the other way on the signing the incorrect scorecard thing and will only assess the original 2-stroke penalty which allows him to stay in the tournament.

 

[Fingolfin269]

We now have a resolution. CBS and the Masters cheated to allow Tiger to cheat without getting DQ'd. While he should have (and anyone else on Earth would have) been disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard because of the penalty, the powers that be didn't want him out. So they pretty much just looked the other way on the signing the incorrect scorecard thing and will only assess the original 2-stroke penalty which allows him to stay in the tournament.

I don't disagree that they probably did this just because it is Tiger but apparently they're following a new rule. Per ESPN:

Woods was not disqualified because of a relatively recent rule that allows the rules committee discretion when it comes to violations reported after the fact. Masters officials reviewed the drop on Saturday morning, applying the revision to "Decision 33-7/4.5", which, according to the USGA's website, addresses "the situation where a player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card.

"Under this revised decision and at the discretion of the Committee, the player still receives the penalty associated with the breach of the underlying Rule, but is not disqualified."

http://espn.go.com/golf/masters13/s...asters-tiger-penalized-2-strokes-ball-drop-15

 

[Kyle]

We now have a resolution. CBS and the Masters cheated to allow Tiger to cheat without getting DQ'd. While he should have (and anyone else on Earth would have) been disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard because of the penalty, the powers that be didn't want him out. So they pretty much just looked the other way on the signing the incorrect scorecard thing and will only assess the original 2-stroke penalty which allows him to stay in the tournament.

yep...listening to the guys on the golf channel saying he needs to DQ himself...I'd be shocked if he actually does...

 

[darkxshade]

I don't follow golf, what's an illegal drop? Did he take a shit in the hole? That's what it sounds like! :sneaky:

 

[Kyle]

I don't follow golf, what's an illegal drop? Did he take a shit in the hole? That's what it sounds like! :sneaky:

Basically he broke the rules by where he dropped the ball after hitting it in to the water- there are a few specific places he could have dropped, and where he dropped was not one of them.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I don't disagree that they probably did this just because it is Tiger but apparently they're following a new rule. Per ESPN:
Woods was not disqualified because of a relatively recent rule that allows the rules committee discretion when it comes to violations reported after the fact. Masters officials reviewed the drop on Saturday morning, applying the revision to "Decision 33-7/4.5", which, according to the USGA's website, addresses "the situation where a player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card.

"Under this revised decision and at the discretion of the Committee, the player still receives the penalty associated with the breach of the underlying Rule, but is not disqualified."



http://espn.go.com/golf/masters13/s...asters-tiger-penalized-2-strokes-ball-drop-15

Ummm, wrong. 33-7 is in place to protect players from breaking rules they didn't know they broke. It's the HDTV rule where maybe a viewer sees a ball move in slow mo replay, but where the player could not reasonably see the ball move and couldn't reasonably apply a penalty. The language of the ruling EXPLICITLY covers this: A Committee would not be justified under Rule 33-7 in waiving or modifying the disqualification penalty prescribed in Rule 6-6d if the player’s failure to include the penalty stroke(s) was a result of either ignorance of the Rules or of facts that the player could have reasonably discovered prior to signing and returning his score card. In this case Tiger had all the information. He broke the rule through ignorance and had all the information necessary prior to signing his scorecard. He admitted the drop was in a different place to gain advantage. Rule 33-7 DOES NOT APPLY.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Ummm, wrong. 33-7 is in place to protect players from breaking rules they didn't know they broke. It's the HDTV rule where maybe a viewer sees a ball move in slow mo replay, but where the player could not reasonably see the ball move and couldn't reasonably apply a penalty. The language of the ruling EXPLICITLY covers this: A Committee would not be justified under Rule 33-7 in waiving or modifying the disqualification penalty prescribed in Rule 6-6d if the player’s failure to include the penalty stroke(s) was a result of either ignorance of the Rules or of facts that the player could have reasonably discovered prior to signing and returning his score card. In this case Tiger had all the information. He broke the rule through ignorance and had all the information necessary prior to signing his scorecard. He admitted the drop was in a different place to gain advantage. Rule 33-7 DOES NOT APPLY.

I guess the people who get paid to make those decisions feel otherwise. Of course, like I said earlier, that's because we're talking about Tiger.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Should be DQ'd. Do the right thing and withdraw Tiger, I would have so much respect for him if so and I hate the guy.

 

[waggy]

I guess the people who get paid to make those decisions feel otherwise. Of course, like I said earlier, that's because we're talking about Tiger.

right. tiger won't drop out. BUT it is makeing the Masters look bad and golf in general look bad.


it's all over the news and most are saying that allowing him to stay is a mistake. lol kinda funny how big it is actually.

 

[JujuFish]

This kind of thing happens in every sport. Stars get babied.

 

[Kyle]

Interesting that the rules commission reviewed the drop and cleared it while he was playing and it wasn't until his interview that they decided it was a penalty...if he had not talked about going back a couple yards there would have been no penalty...now if he truly didn't know if that was a penalty or not who knows- though you'd think if he knew that was illegal he wouldn't have said anything in the post round interview.

Also, if they determined it was a penalty when they reviewed it and he was still on the course, it'd be a 2 stroke penalty - no DQ.

 

[a123456]

Interesting that the rules commission reviewed the drop and cleared it while he was playing and it wasn't until his interview that they decided it was a penalty...if he had not talked about going back a couple yards there would have been no penalty...now if he truly didn't know if that was a penalty or not who knows- though you'd think if he knew that was illegal he wouldn't have said anything in the post round interview.

Also, if they determined it was a penalty when they reviewed it and he was still on the course, it'd be a 2 stroke penalty - no DQ.

He obviously didn't know it was illegal or else he wouldn't have said anything.

It's kind of hard call because the rules people did do a video replay of his drop at 15 while he was on 18 and gave him the okay that everything was fine so he signed his scorecard with a 6. Then, later, after he's signed, they call him up and said it wasn't kosher and needed the 2 stroke penalty.

The celebrity status goes both ways. If it was Random Joe (like Alan Dunbar) doing the same thing, you don't have 30 million replays of it along with people asking about it so it never comes up and that guy never gets penalized at all for the extra 2 strokes.

I agree that he probably should withdraw but if he doesn't, I'm not going to put an asterisk next to his 15th win, if it happens.

 

[Cuda1447]

I guess I'm alone here but I would really hate to see Tiger get DQ'd or drop out. Did his drop really make any difference? He dropped it further back and I was under the impression that ordinarily you can drop anywhere from where the shot was or further back. I'm not sure how this situation is different, I recognize it is, but it seems like a technicality type of thing. 2 strokes is already a pretty big penalty, no?

 

[waggy]

He obviously didn't know it was illegal or else he wouldn't have said anything.

It's kind of hard call because the rules people did a video replay of his drop at 15 while he was on 18 and gave him the okay that everything was fine so he signed his scorecard with a 6. Then, the next day, they call him up and said it wasn't kosher and needed the 2 stroke penalty.

The celebrity status goes both ways. If it was Random Joe doing the same thing, you don't have 30 million replays of it along with people asking about it so it never comes up and that guy never gets penalized at all for the extra 2 strokes.

I agree that he probably should withdraw but if he doesn't, I'm not going to put an asterisk next to his 15th win, if it happens.

he said he won't withdraw. Also they said the odds of him winning NOW are very not good. but hell this is Tiger you can NEVER count him out.

 

[waggy]

I guess I'm alone here but I would really hate to see Tiger get DQ'd or drop out. Did his drop really make any difference? He dropped it further back and I was under the impression that ordinarily you can drop anywhere from where the shot was or further back. I'm not sure how this situation is different, I recognize it is, but it seems like a technicality type of thing. 2 strokes is already a pretty big penalty, no?

the drop is huge. he dropped it in a spot that made his shot better.

you are to drop as close to the orginal position as possible. he dropped it 2 yards away from that spot to improve his shot.

2 stroke is big.

 

[a123456]

The take it back as far as you want rule is if you use the place where the ball went in the hazard.

But the ball went in the hazard to the "left-ish" so going back from there would have been in the trees or whatever.

The other options were a drop zone (which probably has crappy grass from all the people using it) or you can put the ball where you hit the previous shot.

The penalty is already pretty huge, yeah. He's basically taking a triple bogey on a hole he almost played perfectly and would have probably gotten a birdie on.