Tiger escapes cage at S.F. zoo

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Vic

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: cyclohexane
let see, the tiger gets locked up for years and years and then gets taunted by a bunch of assholes...why am I not surprised by the attack?

:thumbsup:

Yep, locked up for years and years with never ever a history of prior attack.

Let's see, you (and others) keep repeating these same lies over and over again despite the fact that they have been disproven, and then you wonder why people speak of a smear campaign or a ax to grind? Really.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: Vic


Like I said earlier to another poster, do you tell rape victims that they had it coming for dressing seductively too?

There's a difference between a human and a tiger. Humans are supposedly thinking rational creatures that can be expected to behave in a largely set pattern, while wild tigers are well, wild tigers. You never know what can set them off.

Hmmm. I'm thinking just the opposite. Tigers are rather predictable. They're gonna act just exactly like tigers.

People, OTOH, are unpredictable.


Otherwise, I'd really like to see if there's anything on their phones. I hope they are subpeona'd etc.

Fern
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: Vic


Like I said earlier to another poster, do you tell rape victims that they had it coming for dressing seductively too?

There's a difference between a human and a tiger. Humans are supposedly thinking rational creatures that can be expected to behave in a largely set pattern, while wild tigers are well, wild tigers. You never know what can set them off.

Hmmm. I'm thinking just the opposite. Tigers are rather predictable. They're gonna act just exactly like tigers.

People, OTOH, are unpredictable.


Otherwise, I'd really like to see if there's anything on their phones. I hope they are subpeona'd etc.

Fern


what does it matter whats on the phone? did they call the tiger?


the only thing that matters is the Tiger escaped its pen. thats it. The Zoo had the responsibility to keep the tiger in its pen. they failed that.


The smear campaign is disgusting though. The slingshots have been proven false (now the zoo is backing off saying they never said they had them). the shoe in the pen has been proven false. etc.

but of course thats how you win case's. smear the victim.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: waggy
what does it matter whats on the phone? did they call the tiger?

Video, pics and text messaging.

If it doesn't matter, why not cooperate?

Maybe one of them did dangle their legs over the wall and the tiger used it to climb out etc.

Fern
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: waggy
what does it matter whats on the phone? did they call the tiger?

Video, pics and text messaging.

If it doesn't matter, why not cooperate?

Maybe one of them did dangle their legs over the wall and the tiger used it to climb out etc.

Fern

I'm guessing that even if they did the zoo is still liable, of course that would weaken their case/settlement.
 

BoomerD

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From the sounds of their names, I'd guess they're of Indian decent...Maybe the tiger just recognized his natural food when he saw it...:shocked:
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
From the sounds of their names, I'd guess they're of Indian decent...Maybe the tiger just recognized his natural food when he saw it...:shocked:

LOL, I didn't even think of that! Give me some of what he's smoking!!!
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
From the sounds of their names, I'd guess they're of Indian decent...Maybe the tiger just recognized his natural food when he saw it...:shocked:

I'm sure you're joking, but it's a Siberian tiger, not a Bengal. And the last name of the surviving brothers is Punjabi, and IIRC there are no tigers native to that region.
 

randym431

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Ohhhhh mannnnn
Law suit """BIG""" time a comin...

I cant believe on the Today Show a zoo spokesman actually said "we have a lot of homeless and people with drug problems, all of a sudden two boys run over and say a tiger is loose. We don?t know to take that seriously".

WHAT?????

He's suggesting these two were homeless? Druggies?

So only if some white guy in a suit runs over, THEN do you believe a tiger is loose???

Oh man.. what he said. I wish I were an attorney on this case.
These two survivors are going to own that zoo before this is over. :D
 

piasabird

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The zoo is still responsible to create an exhibit where both the Animal and the patron are safe. Doesnt matter who got hurt or who was taunting who. Where was the Zoo Staff while all this was going on?

The courts should have shut down the entire zoo.
 

WHAMPOM

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Lets apportion blame, 1% for the zoo for having a wall no tiger as jumped over before, 1% for the well fed tiger that never had a reason to jump the wall before, 98% for the three alone in the park without witnesses, with the peer group shit-for-brains(com'on, do it, chicken, dar'ya) syndrome. Now come on, the tiger did not jump the wall out of hunger, but anger?
 

KMFJD

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Vic

As for clamming up... who cares? I would to. I don't talk to cops. Nor does anyone else with any intelligence.

Originally posted by: Vic

Of course I would. That's the law's problem, not the "next guy's". Don't be an ass. You just got your attacked at the fsckin zoo by a tiger that escaped its cage. Does it really matter that you were talkin shit to tiger over the wall and the moat prior to? WTF.
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So which is it? You'd clam up or you'd try to provide information to the authorities? Make up your mind.

As for my dislike for corporations, that's because they seem to own our government. The episode in the zoo has nothing to do with that...and no, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the zoo and their insurers did their best to try to spin this in their favor, they ARE about to be sued for millions of $$$, and they'll want to try to garner as much sympathy from potential jurors as possible. (yet another reason I dislike lawyers)...neither side will want the "truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" to come out in this...both sides will try to spin things so far out of reality that no one will have any real idea wtf actually happened or who's at fault.

:confused:
 

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(01-15) 19:30 PST SAN FRANCISCO -- A San Francisco judge ruled late Tuesday that police have legal authority to examine the car and cell phones belonging to the survivors of the Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo.

The decision seems to have renewed the investigation into whether the two brothers - Paul Dhaliwal, 19, and Kulbir Dhaliwal, 23 - taunted the animal before it escaped and killed their friend. The criminal investigation had been described last week as "inactive" by city attorney's representatives.

The Dhaliwals' attorney could not be reached for comment Tuesday evening. Attorney Mark Geragos has repeatedly said the brothers did not taunt or tease the Siberian tiger, and he has accused city officials of running a public smear campaign against his clients.

The cell phones and car have been at the center of a continuing evidentiary dispute among attorneys for the city, the zoo and the brothers. The city and zoo want access to the phones and car to see if they contain any evidence that helps to prove the animal was teased. Officials said such information might help defend against the civil lawsuits expected from the brothers or the family of their friend, Carlos Sousa Jr.

The city and zoo went to court last week to preserve the potential evidence, a legal battle that has not yet been decided and is scheduled for a hearing Wednesday in Santa Clara County.

Although the cars and phones remain in police custody, police officials had said they didn't have legal authority to search the items. They indicated that the investigation was all but over and that it was unlikely charges would be filed against the Dhaliwals.

Geragos argued that the phones and car should be returned to the brothers, without being searched.

On Tuesday, San Francisco Superior Court Judge Richard Kramer approved the police request to search the phones and car.

It is unclear the exact legal basis for the search, but sources close to the investigation have told The Chronicle that it appeared the brothers made a pact of silence while riding together in the ambulance to the hospital.

"Don't tell them what we did," Kulbir reportedly told Paul in the ambulance, paramedics told police.

Sources also said Paul was drunk at the time of the attack, Kulbir had been drinking and both had used marijuana. Court documents indicate a bottle of liquor was spotted in the car.

Authorities also have the report of a zoo visitor who said she saw a group that included Sousa taunting the zoo's lions shortly before the tiger escaped.

However, Sousa's mother said that when she spoke with Paul Dhaliwal, he assured her they did nothing to provoke the attack.


so... When has it been ok to goto the zoo dunk and stoned????????


Seen these dudes rap sheet?

One of the two brothers who survived a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo was charged Tuesday with misdemeanor battery on a police officer stemming from a drunken scuffle with San Jose police in September.

Paul Dhaliwal, 19, was not in Santa Clara County Superior Court when the charge was added to misdemeanor counts of public intoxication and resisting arrest he already faced.

His brother, Kulbir Dhaliwal, 23, is also charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest in the Sept. 7 incident, which happened when police intervened after seeing the brothers chase two men near their San Jose home, according to court documents.

Paul Dhaliwal is accused of hitting an officer in the chest with his forearm as the officer tried to restrain him, leading to the battery charge, prosecutor Stuart Scott said. Dhaliwal stopped resisting arrest only when an officer held a stun gun to his neck, according to a police report.

Kulbir Dhaliwal cursed at officers while kicking the security partition in a squad car, forcing police to pull him out and put him in leg restraints, the police report says.

It is unclear from the court documents why the Dhaliwal brothers were allegedly chasing the two men, whom police did not locate.

The brothers are scheduled to return to court Feb. 13. Scott called their alleged behavior "needlessly belligerent."

Both brothers have pleaded not guilty. Paul Dhaliwal's attorney, Cory Fuller, declined to comment about the case.

Both Dhaliwal brothers were injured Christmas Day when a Siberian tiger escaped from its outdoor grotto at the zoo and killed Paul Dhaliwal's friend Carlos Sousa Jr., 17, of San Jose.

At the time of the escape, Paul Dhaliwal was on felony probation after pleading no contest Oct. 31 to reckless driving, driving under the influence, resisting an officer and providing a false name, court records show.

He was arrested after leading a Santa Clara County sheriff's deputy on a chase of up to 140 mph before crashing into a tree in San Jose, according to a police report. At one point he drove over traffic cones placed near a Caltrans work crew, the report said.

Paul Dhaliwal tried to run away when an officer attempted to handcuff him, and he later identified himself to police as his brother Kulbir, the police report said.

Paul Dhaliwal also has an outstanding misdemeanor case for underage drinking, prosecutors and his attorney said. A separate misdemeanor case for public drunkenness was dismissed in July after Dhaliwal attended 10 Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, court records show.


Model Citizens eh? If anyone had a brain we would lock these jokers up for 10 years and ban them from attending ANY zoo in the nation for life.....

C'mon they were intoxicated assholes ... That should tell your something eh??? Huh? Get a clue people.... These clowns had a plan when they arrived at the zoo.

 

Muse

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Originally posted by: ericlpModel Citizens eh? If anyone had a brain we would lock these jokers up for 10 years and ban them from attending ANY zoo in the nation for life.....

C'mon they were intoxicated assholes ... That should tell your something eh??? Huh? Get a clue people.... These clowns had a plan when they arrived at the zoo.

Hopefully, that type of information will be admissible in court so the jurors know how incredibly unsavory and troublesome those guys are. I'm sure they got what was coming to them already as far as last Christmas is concerned.
 

Slew Foot

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They said on the radio here today that they found blood INSIDE the tiger exhibit, not sure how verifiable that is.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: ericlpModel Citizens eh? If anyone had a brain we would lock these jokers up for 10 years and ban them from attending ANY zoo in the nation for life.....

C'mon they were intoxicated assholes ... That should tell your something eh??? Huh? Get a clue people.... These clowns had a plan when they arrived at the zoo.

Hopefully, that type of information will be admissible in court so the jurors know how incredibly unsavory and troublesome those guys are. I'm sure they got what was coming to them already as far as last Christmas is concerned.

Should we bring back the gladiators too?
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: ericlpModel Citizens eh? If anyone had a brain we would lock these jokers up for 10 years and ban them from attending ANY zoo in the nation for life.....

C'mon they were intoxicated assholes ... That should tell your something eh??? Huh? Get a clue people.... These clowns had a plan when they arrived at the zoo.

Hopefully, that type of information will be admissible in court so the jurors know how incredibly unsavory and troublesome those guys are. I'm sure they got what was coming to them already as far as last Christmas is concerned.

The fact remains the tiger got out. Taunted or not, it should have never have been able to climb out of it's cage. It could have just as easily attacked some innocent bystanders.
 

rpanic

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At least the dad came forward saying that his son admitted to taunting the tiger. I wonder if he is coming forward now because the are about to look at the cell phone.

I know, I know, the tiger shouldn?t have been able to get out, but it makes me feel a lot better that the tiger at least got to chew on them a little before going.
 

1EZduzit

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And the tiger paid the ultimate price for doing that.

The problem is it could just as well have been a completely innocent kid.
 

Vic

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It does not matter one bit how much they "taunted" the tiger. Why is this simple fact so hard to get across?

Now if they had gotten into the tiger enclosure, or if it could be proven that they somehow had direct involvement in the tiger's escape, that might have some relevant meaning here.

Otherwise, all this taunting talk, how "incredibly unsavory and troublesome" the victims might be, or how "they got what was coming to them," well... you should be ashamed of yourselves IMO.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: ericlpModel Citizens eh? If anyone had a brain we would lock these jokers up for 10 years and ban them from attending ANY zoo in the nation for life.....

C'mon they were intoxicated assholes ... That should tell your something eh??? Huh? Get a clue people.... These clowns had a plan when they arrived at the zoo.

Hopefully, that type of information will be admissible in court so the jurors know how incredibly unsavory and troublesome those guys are. I'm sure they got what was coming to them already as far as last Christmas is concerned.

Should we bring back the gladiators too?

You should join non-sequitors anonymous.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: ericlpModel Citizens eh? If anyone had a brain we would lock these jokers up for 10 years and ban them from attending ANY zoo in the nation for life.....

C'mon they were intoxicated assholes ... That should tell your something eh??? Huh? Get a clue people.... These clowns had a plan when they arrived at the zoo.

Hopefully, that type of information will be admissible in court so the jurors know how incredibly unsavory and troublesome those guys are. I'm sure they got what was coming to them already as far as last Christmas is concerned.

The fact remains the tiger got out. Taunted or not, it should have never have been able to climb out of it's cage. It could have just as easily attacked some innocent bystanders.
Since we are talking about facts here, the fact is that the victims were not innocent.

 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Vic
It does not matter one bit how much they "taunted" the tiger. Why is this simple fact so hard to get across?

Now if they had gotten into the tiger enclosure, or if it could be proven that they somehow had direct involvement in the tiger's escape, that might have some relevant meaning here.

Otherwise, all this taunting talk, how "incredibly unsavory and troublesome" the victims might be, or how "they got what was coming to them," well... you should be ashamed of yourselves IMO.
Vic, the simple fact is that people aren't agreeing with you. It's not true! You aren't going to get it unless you take off your blinders.

The headline article in today's SF Chronicle makes it completely clear that all 3 of the victims taunted the tiger. One of them said this to the dead boy's father right after the attack. Sheesh.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: ericlpModel Citizens eh? If anyone had a brain we would lock these jokers up for 10 years and ban them from attending ANY zoo in the nation for life.....

C'mon they were intoxicated assholes ... That should tell your something eh??? Huh? Get a clue people.... These clowns had a plan when they arrived at the zoo.

Hopefully, that type of information will be admissible in court so the jurors know how incredibly unsavory and troublesome those guys are. I'm sure they got what was coming to them already as far as last Christmas is concerned.

Should we bring back the gladiators too?

You should join non-sequitors anonymous.

I wasn't the one who equated death by tiger with justice.