Got my first speeding ticket on my way to work this morning. The speed was recorded using VASCAR, however the citation does NOT list the distance or time traveled to make the calculation, it only lists "55.1 in a 40 zone, using VASCAR." Is this information supposed to be present?
Ticket citation lacking info
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Pay the ticket you were speeding
And, if it is anything like the system here they don't need that info, and the judge will laugh at you. Not to mention they probably have it on record and would whip it out in court.
And, if it is anything like the system here they don't need that info, and the judge will laugh at you. Not to mention they probably have it on record and would whip it out in court.
Hi, I robbed the 7-11 and they have me on video. However, I was wearing a different shirt when I was caught, Can I get out of it because of the different shirt?
SoulAssassin
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Better yet, when the cops come for you take your shoes and shirt off and say you don't own any and therefore have never been in a 7-11 because they won't serve you.
In all seriousness to the OP, I don't believe they're required to include that information on the ticket itself though they should be able to provide it in court if necessary.
Alright, that's fine, I just don't like how I have no basis for the number at all, especially considering the officer who recorded the number is not the same officer who gave me the citation.
Demon-Xanth
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I've talked to family/friends that were a CHP officer, an LAPD officer, and a judge who all confirmed, beating a traffic ticket is harder than anything else because it's your word vs. the cops. And it's assumed that he's telling the truth, and you're telling a lie. And if he says you broke the laws of physics, you did.
Example:
A friend of mine lost a case where he was clocked at doing 85MPH up an 8% grade in a 3 cylinder Geo Metro, when the grade was 5 miles before the onramp that he got on the freeway. Because the cop in the plane and on the ground were "pretty sure" that it was him. When he was in traffic school and he said what he did, the entire room laughed at the absurdity of a 3 cylinder Geo Metro doing more than 55 up that hill.
Example:
A friend of mine lost a case where he was clocked at doing 85MPH up an 8% grade in a 3 cylinder Geo Metro, when the grade was 5 miles before the onramp that he got on the freeway. Because the cop in the plane and on the ground were "pretty sure" that it was him. When he was in traffic school and he said what he did, the entire room laughed at the absurdity of a 3 cylinder Geo Metro doing more than 55 up that hill.
SearchMaster
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I had a friend that beat a speeding ticket because of something like this (clocked at ~45 in a 30mph zone, 100 feet or so from a stop sign). She got the judge to drop the ticket, but then again she's a female.
what makes you think they need to give you more information than that?
go to court and ask for "discovery" to get more information at that time, they don't have to give you more information when they charge you (giving you the ticket is the charging you with speeding part)
just pay your ticket for speeding, you know you are guilty
go to court and ask for "discovery" to get more information at that time, they don't have to give you more information when they charge you (giving you the ticket is the charging you with speeding part)
just pay your ticket for speeding, you know you are guilty
SoulAssassin
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Request that they provide it in court. You can ask for the last time the equip was calibrated, find out what the required interval is, etc. Major PITA and you risk pissing the judge off. In my experience, your best bet is getting to court early and pleading your case with the prosecutor/officer to see if they can reduce the charge to a non-moving violation but that's by no means a guarantee either.
JulesMaximus
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Not sure if it is a requirement to have that info or not. I have gotten several tickets in the past and I always call up one of those agencies which goes to court for you and gets rid of the ticket as well as prevents you from having to do other things like going to some driving class. The process takes like 10 min over the phone and then you just need to wait for them to go to court and you get your letter in the mail saying everything went fine. There is a slight chance that you may have to pay some court fees after the case is done, but those are usually minimal and the total cost of the service and court fees is usually less than the ticket.
I'm not going to do discovery or anything, just wanted to see if it made an immediate difference. Thanks.
all the cop has to do in court is say he determined you were speeding and that's word enough for the judge. prodding for stone-cold "proof" is no good
If it was two different cops, one writing the ticket and one who clocked you, in some states you can subpoena both of them if you contest. If one shows up and the other doesn't, anything the other officer says about what the other officer did is hearsay and you can probably get the case thrown out.
As already said by others. If the cop says it happened most Judges will take his word for it and completely ignore anything you say. Traffic court is complete BS. I have never heard of the services Xavier434 mentioned, but I know an attorney who gets tons of tickets and never pays for any of them. According to him beating a ticket is easy, but you need to know what you are doing.
Actually if you want most speeding tickets you can get thrown out or moved to a non moving cell phone violation or something. I've had to do it 3 times because of my license and being at 12 points. You pay around 600$ for an attorney that knows the judge, and boom, no points and a different violation. Just ask around.
Here is the service that I use, but they are Florida only I think:
Ticket Clinic
There are similar services everywhere. In fact, the yellow pages for my county have over 200 listings of offices that do this. That is also why people get a bunch of junk mail from law firms after they get a ticket. Traffic court is worthless if you represent yourself, but all of these law firms make a living off of the business so they must know something. Also, it is very common that these firms have a money back guarantee just like Ticket Clinic does if they lose in court.
Beating traffic tickets is all about the judge. If your area is known for judges being hard on people who fight tickets then you may as well pay and not waste your time. However, in my hometown showing up basically ment the judge was going to drop it. I had a friend always fought tickets with excuses like "It was downhill and I had my foot completely off the gas" and "I wasn't speeding, the gun must need to be fixed" yet he somehow always got it dropped.
youre not beating the cop.
last time i attended court, we had a situation where the cops worked in teams pulled people over en masse and issued tickets like a factory
one guy received a physical ticket that was not even his (it was meant for a lady). however, his info was entered into the system when the cops recorded the tickets. at court, the actual officer who gave the guy the ticket was not present...
nevertheless... his appeal failed.
last time i attended court, we had a situation where the cops worked in teams pulled people over en masse and issued tickets like a factory
one guy received a physical ticket that was not even his (it was meant for a lady). however, his info was entered into the system when the cops recorded the tickets. at court, the actual officer who gave the guy the ticket was not present...
nevertheless... his appeal failed.
He didn't get out of it even though his officer wasn't present? How can it not be tossed out if the prosecutor doesn't show up?
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