TI 4200 vs ?

[Blastman]

You entered this thread w/ every intention of getting in on the ATI/Nv flamewar, dont get mad when the fire you danced around burns your own hands.

I?m posting legitimate issues and concerns. If you want to address them then do it. It?s you who seem intent on starting a flame war. Your first comment in this thread was ? ? Please, put down the rock.? ?really constructive. It?s going to turn into a flame war because of your personal attacks and Nvidia fanboyism.

 

[Rage187]

"A Cheap upgrade would be a 9600 pro, which would give you a pretty good performance jump, and the card would allow you to play half life 2 at highest settings"


Thats legitimate?

And I'll be happy to take this to PM's if you are taking personal offense to it.


"Nvidia fanboyism. "


OMG its a direct personal attack to me, I'm hurt.

Dont you know thats against the forum rules???

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: Rage187
"A Cheap upgrade would be a 9600 pro, which would give you a pretty good performance jump, and the card would allow you to play half life 2 at highest settings"


Thats legitimate?

WHAT does that quote have to do with what I posted?

 

[Rage187]

Dude, take it to PM's, no reason to turn this into a public spectacle.

Its that little lock icon on the far right of the page.

 

[MDE]

In my experience, the FX5900 is faster than the 9600 Pro (even overclocked past XT speeds). I picked up the BFG 5900 at Best Buy for $200 after $50 rebate and don't regret it. It's very quiet in 2D mode (as quiet or quieter than a 9600) and although it isn't a listed feature, mine does have VIVO. Also, the copper heatsink on the BFG is VERY nice, and should allow great overclocking (I got mine from 400/850 up to 475/975 completely stable).

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rage187
^ if ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy fvcker.

what part of his statement makes him ignorant?

 

[Keysplayr]

Nice o/c there Monkey!! And Bonus with the VIVO...

Blastman: Not getting personal here, but I can't stand it when I post something and someone quotes me saying "You mean" to start off.
I mean exactly what I type. DirectX9 will be very slow and very trickly in getting to retail shelves. By Spring/early Summer we will have a new generation of graphics titans to choose from. All of which I am quite sure will be fully DX9 capable. THAT's when you should recommend a card to someone based on DX9 performance, not now. You would tell someone to go out and buy a 9600XT right now because it plays DX9 titles at 50fps and no telling what the min frame rate drops down to? I think that is very irresponsible to direct a person in that fashion. 95% of all popular games today are DX7/DX8/DX8.1. And thats not going to change until we are well into the next gen of cards. Maybe longer. My 5900nu kicks so much @ss it's getting hammer toe.

I am going to recommend to BigDaddyD that he pick up an Nvidia GFFX5900nu or at the very least, a 5700Ultra which is much improved over the 5600U.
Stay with Nvidia BigD. You will not have to format your hard drive or run driver cleaner or run a hundred other patches to get it to work right. I'm not saying this will happen to you if you buy ATI, but there is always a good chance that it will when moving from NV to ATI. This is a recommendation from someone who has used both cards for a long time and not just a fan of one over the other. I lie not. Some people suffer through things so others don't have to. You should be one who benefits from other people pulling out their hair.

Thanks,

Keys

 

[Blastman]

Rage187, ?you asked the question and posted the quote in public, on these forums, so I answered in public. And it?s on topic. If you are so intent on avoiding this ? so called ? ?public spectacle? ? why didn?t you PM the question and quote to me? You didn?t. I?ve received no PM from you. And why don?t you try avoiding your ad-hominem attacks to avoid these ?public spectacles?.

And regarding that quote, it isn?t mine and I made no reference to it.

 

[Rage187]

^ I got you and the other guy confused, hard to tell posters apart when they keep falling back to the HL2 argument.

 

[Naruto]

Ti4200 is still a great card for mid range gaming. My card does great with Call of Duty @ 1024x768. Just bare in mind never turn on any AA or AF. I wouldn't upgrade until the 9700 np or pros and 5900 non ultras come down to around $120.

 

[Blastman]

Rage187 ? sorry if my posts were a little terse, I was in a real grumpy mood today.

I think I need to clarify, because I think I jumped in the thread at a bad moment and it may have not been really clear what I was referring to --- and it seems like you were a little irked at someone suggesting getting a 9600XT over 5900 at the time. I actually didn?t mind the ? ?please put down the rock? ? comment LOL . A 5900 for the price of a 9600XT is a high-end card for the price of a midrange and on the face of seems like it?s ? ?nuts? ? to suggest a 9600XT as an alternative. I say seems because there could be other concerns like display IQ, card quality, availability, hassle with MIR?s ?etc , I mean a 5900 for under $200 is really cheap and cheaper than the 5700U.

Regarding my original post. Mathias99 suggested he would like to see another round of benches with HL2 with the newer drivers. I assumed to see if DX9 performance is really improved with the new Nvidia unified compiler technology. I pointed to the digilife article because they ran HL2 benches with the newer 52.16 drivers and the 5900 DX9 performance was still poor. While some people may not agree with running a HL2 beta, I think the beta is going to be very representative of what type of rendering and code will be in the actual game and therefore it is still a pretty significant benchmark. Besides his reference to the 9600XT, Dguy6789 had also suggested that DX9 performance on the 5900 was still a concern. I agree and tried to address this.

DirectX9 will be very slow and very trickly in getting to retail shelves. By Spring/early Summer we will have a new generation of graphics titans to choose from.

You know this for a fact? You could be right here but it?s hard to say how much DX9 we will see next summer. Could happen pretty fast with a new slew of games once the technology is in place.

I haven?t suggested a 9600XT over a 5900 because of DX9. (at least yet in this thread), my intent was leave that one alone. : ) But buying a 9600XT may not be the only alternative here. I?m an ATI ?guy? so my job to point out ATI alternatives. : ) He might want to consider spending more now for a 9800np. Does he want to be upgrading again in less than a year if the 5900 continues poor DX9 performance? Poor DX9 performance is still a potential issue with the 5900 IMO. For the really good prices currently for the 5900 maybe not a big issue, but still an issue. Maybe you can upgrade every 8 months but I assume most people don?t want to put out the cash for a new graphics card every year.

If he?s running a monitor in only 1024x768 he could get away with a 9600XT, but at higher resolutions the 5900 will make a big performance difference. The DX9 issue may not turn out to be a big deal because it?s still a long-shot as to how important DX9 will become in the next 2 years. But you never know. If lots of games start using DX9 and if the benches for the 5900 continue like those posted attech-report and he wants to keep this cards a couple years or more. A 9600XT might not look ? soooooo ? far fetched.

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: BigDaddyD
I was going to edit my previous post, but had trouble so....

The TI4200 has DVI. Problem is when I am in Return to Wolfenstien, the game freezes after a while. Otherwise the card is fine. That said, RTW is the only game I have played at all recently and even that has been for only a few times. I would like to have the option to game, but it is not my priority. I was recently given some cash to upgrade my computer for doing someone a favor. My first priority is to ditch my two huge CRTs and get a 17"-19" LCD. I want one that is capable of gaming, but I realize that none are as good as a CRT. I am thinking around $500 or so for the monitor and $200 for the card, but we shall see how the prices fall. I want to run the LCD on DVI to enhance its capabilities.

*AHEM * Arguing is not really helping BigDaddyD with his question/problem. * AHEM *
Stupid, trivial suggestion (on my part) is perhaps your mb or 4200 need the latest drivers? Also, I think there were some patches to RTW, which you may or may not have downloaded. Otherwise, perhaps your hs/fan combo is not cooling the gpu on your 4200 enough (or your case has poor air circulation), esp. if it locks up after playing a little while. I know there were some low end Chaintech 4200 cards with this problem. The 4200 should be a decent midrange solution, and if your card has DVI already, no reason to spend the $200 on a new midrange card. Spend the extra $200 on the monitor and get yourself a nice 18-19" LCD.

EDIT:
Seems like some complaints similar to yours, for example:

Linked

where replacing the hs/fan fixed the problem. In other cases though, irreversible damage occurred to the card already. Also, a bunch of the early Abit 4200's just seemed to have a bad batch of GPU's or something and people were returning them en masse. Not much you could do in the latter two cases, except buy a new card then.

 

[Rage187]

I apologize for quoting something you didnt say.

I really apologize that I quoted you as saying something as stupid as that

 

[BigDaddyD]

Originally posted by: geecee

Originally posted by: BigDaddyD
I was going to edit my previous post, but had trouble so....

The TI4200 has DVI. Problem is when I am in Return to Wolfenstien, the game freezes after a while. Otherwise the card is fine. That said, RTW is the only game I have played at all recently and even that has been for only a few times. I would like to have the option to game, but it is not my priority. I was recently given some cash to upgrade my computer for doing someone a favor. My first priority is to ditch my two huge CRTs and get a 17"-19" LCD. I want one that is capable of gaming, but I realize that none are as good as a CRT. I am thinking around $500 or so for the monitor and $200 for the card, but we shall see how the prices fall. I want to run the LCD on DVI to enhance its capabilities.

*AHEM * Arguing is not really helping BigDaddyD with his question/problem. * AHEM *
Stupid, trivial suggestion (on my part) is perhaps your mb or 4200 need the latest drivers? Also, I think there were some patches to RTW, which you may or may not have downloaded. Otherwise, perhaps your hs/fan combo is not cooling the gpu on your 4200 enough (or your case has poor air circulation), esp. if it locks up after playing a little while. I know there were some low end Chaintech 4200 cards with this problem. The 4200 should be a decent midrange solution, and if your card has DVI already, no reason to spend the $200 on a new midrange card. Spend the extra $200 on the monitor and get yourself a nice 18-19" LCD.

My chieftec should have all of the airflow it needs. It doesn't get much hardcore use and the HSF is an upgraded unit that can more than handle the 1700 chip in there. The side panel also has fan that directly blows on the video card. Perhaps it is a patch issue for that game...I really don't know since I don't have any other games at the moment. I will look into it. I do know that it works fine otherwise. I would like to keep it if it works, but I don't know that I need a 19" I have had my eye on the Samsung, I think it is the 193T or something, but I just don't think I need all of that monitor. Maybe.

 

[geecee]

Sorry, wasn't clear, I meant the hs/fan combo on your vid card. I actually edited my post above to include a link to some messages where people were having various game lockups. Several attributed it to lack of cooling/poor hs/fan on the vid card.

EDIT:
BTW, about feeling like the 19" LCD is overkill, you don't know what you're missing until you have it.