Thunderbolt - Intel releases their 10Gb/sec pipe

[SolidSnake42]

Doesn't matter gates and his sidekick stole the ideas from Jobs. It was Apple that made USB successful. It will be apple the makes USB useless.

I also hope you do realize that Apple or MS didn't make USB right?

 

[TridenT]

I also hope you do realize that Apple or MS didn't make USB right?

He's a tool. Stop cranking him.

Regardless, Thunderbolt... that's a pretty fucking horrible name.

I don't think anyone genuinely believed (unless they were uninformed) that intel's next tech would be optical at this point. People bend shit like crazy and fiber can't handle it yet.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Sounds like fun times for Desktop Support in the future

"My mouse isn't working"
"Have you shoved it into your Thunderbolt port?"
"How dare you!"

Sounds like a name a five year old would think up.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Doesn't matter gates and his sidekick stole the ideas from Jobs. It was Apple that made USB successful. It will be apple the makes USB useless.

Yeah I'm sure they made it successful with their 5% marketshare.

 

[Tsavo]

I cannot WAIT to buy Thunderthighs peripherals from Apple. Just imagine how much faster this will be than USB 3 when backing up data to a 5400 RPM external drive.

OMEEGAW, the speed will be unbelievable.

 

[ShadowVVL]

Im still wondering what causes people to buy apple computers other then to show off there wallet.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Im still wondering what causes people to buy apple computers other then to show off there wallet.

This is funny, because its true. For most PC manufacturers, the low end PCs are what drives volume. 70-80% of high end(or high cost) PCs end up being Apple PCs. If anyone wants to bet anything to be successful, I think they'd have the best chance to have Apple on board than any other manufacturer. Can you guys imagine, Dell, Asus, HP, Acer being the driver of new interfaces?

 

[Arkadrel]

I cannot WAIT to buy Thunderthighs peripherals from Apple. Just imagine how much faster this will be than USB 3 when backing up data to a 5400 RPM external drive.

OMEEGAW, the speed will be unbelievable.

wiki - usb3:

A SuperSpeed (USB 3.0) rate of 4800 Mbit/s (~572 MB/s).

USB3 is probably faster than your HDD, can read/write.... THUS... thunderbolt you not give you any gains in performance with your harddisk, since usb3 isnt holding it back.

Unless you where being sarcastic in your post... my sarcasme meter isnt funktional.


I only see 3 reasons for thunderbolt > USB3:

10 meter cable vs 5 meter (if you need insane long cables, thunderbolt for you)
You have solid state external hard drives that are very fast, and need 10 Gbit/s speeds.

 

[playah]

Yes it was sarcasm

 

[Idontcare]

This is funny, because its true. For most PC manufacturers, the low end PCs are what drives volume. 70-80% of high end(or high cost) PCs end up being Apple PCs. If anyone wants to bet anything to be successful, I think they'd have the best chance to have Apple on board than any other manufacturer. Can you guys imagine, Dell, Asus, HP, Acer being the driver of new interfaces?

Pissed me off to no end that DELL would take your ordinary run-of-the-mill firewire device (like a CD drive or DVD drive) and make it proprietary to their latop by BIOS lockdown or what have you.

Then I bought a Sony Viao and in their infinite wisdom of how to force their "standards" onto the world they refused to put USB connectors on the laptop (this was 2004), it was all Sony crap that no one else had or wanted (like a memory stick interface, argh).

I like USB for the same reasons that I like the fact that all my household electrical outlets are the same. I can take my USB stick from my house and plug it into any of my friend's and family's computers. I can dig through a box that is 5yrs old and pull out legacy USB stuff and still plug it into my computer and access the device.

I have little desire to complicate my computing experience by having yet another semi-proprietary interface standard...especially when that standard is hardly leaps and bounds superior to the one I already got.

But this is the Intel way. Leave it to Intel to obsolete their existing flagship $1000 3.33GHz 980X by way of releasing a $1000 3.46GHz 990X that is an earth-shattering 3.9% faster.

I loves me some mediocre incremental performance bumps, so much better than what USB has been doing for us so far.

 

[Tsavo]

But this is the Intel way. Leave it to Intel to obsolete their existing flagship $1000 3.33GHz 980X by way of releasing a $1000 3.46GHz 990X that is an earth-shattering 3.9% faster.

I loves me some mediocre incremental performance bumps, so much better than what USB has been doing for us so far.

Intel has been on some serious crack lately. No USB 3 for SB chipsets. No Thunderthighs, for that matter. No Quickpath decoding with discrete cards, self cooking SB chipsets, et cetera.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Intel has been on some serious crack lately. No USB 3 for SB chipsets. No Thunderthighs, for that matter. No Quickpath decoding with discrete cards, self cooking SB chipsets, et cetera.

Intel's strategy seems to be wanting to fragment the market into tons of little itty-bitty pieces, not to deliver "wholesome" solutions to the masses, to make money.

 

[Idontcare]

Intel's strategy seems to be wanting to fragment the market into tons of little itty-bitty pieces, not to deliver "wholesome" solutions to the masses, to make money.

If consumers prefer it that way then more power to them I suppose.

Personally I see this playing out like the whole Rambus vs DDR debacle.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I also hope you do realize that Apple or MS didn't make USB right?

You need a history lesson on this stuff . I never said Apple or MS invented USB. It was Apple who Used USB when no others would use it . As far as gates stealing from Apple that is all about Windows.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Intel has been on some serious crack lately. No USB 3 for SB chipsets. No Thunderthighs, for that matter. No Quickpath decoding with discrete cards, self cooking SB chipsets, et cetera.

Someone is on crack . I think you need to read the NEW AMD Intel agreement.
Usb 3 doesn't have to be an intel chipset design. As far as I know you can get USB 3 on Intel M/B . You need to get some cheese to go along with that whine.

Intel doesn't need your money,AMD does however . So just buy AMD its that simple non care what you buy. AMD has USB 3 on chip so buy AMD make yourself happy and at same time help a struggling company.

 

[Tsavo]

Someone is on crack . I think you need to read the NEW AMD Intel agreement.
Usb 3 doesn't have to be an intel chipset design. As far as I know you can get USB 3 on Intel M/B . You need to get some cheese to go along with that whine.

Intel doesn't need your money,AMD does however . So just buy AMD its that simple non care what you buy. AMD has USB 3 on chip so buy AMD make yourself happy and at same time help a struggling company.

You need to learn how to read.

 

[Tsavo]

You need a history lesson on this stuff . I never said Apple or MS invented USB. It was Apple who Used USB when no others would use it . As far as gates stealing from Apple that is all about Windows.

Wrong. Apple used ADB and firewire before they used USB. In fact, Apple were the last of the computer makers to jump on the USB wagon.

 

[Nemesis 1]

wiki - usb3:
USB3 is probably faster than your HDD, can read/write.... THUS... thunderbolt you not give you any gains in performance with your harddisk, since usb3 isnt holding it back.

Unless you where being sarcastic in your post... my sarcasme meter isnt funktional.


I only see 3 reasons for thunderbolt > USB3:

10 meter cable vs 5 meter (if you need insane long cables, thunderbolt for you)
You have solid state external hard drives that are very fast, and need 10 Gbit/s speeds.

So what do you do if ya need a 20m cable . use lightpeak over optics for internal networking(business model)

I see you either fail to understand daisychaining or can't see the practical applacation of its use.

The Inquirer has a nice video up on thunderbolt. Watch it, As for USB 3 it can only do at best 3gbits even tho its rated at about 5gbits.

I think many here need to unload their intel hardware and buy AMD for peace of mind . At the same time you will be helping them survive. Which is good for all of us according to many here. Arm is a monopoly in the making . If you say they are fabless so it doesn't matter. AMD is also fabless. So they don't matter as arm devices become more powerful the industry will adapt . MS will lose its monopoly on OS and that will be the best thing ever . Once non x86 products become dominate Intel will lose its monopoly tag and be unleashed.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Wrong. Apple used ADB and firewire before they used USB. In fact, Apple were the last of the computer makers to jump on the USB wagon.

Get your link and I will get mine.

Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a set of connectivity specifications developed by Intel in collaboration with industry leaders. USB allows high-speed, easy connection of peripherals to a PC. When plugged in, everything configures automatically. USB is the most successful interconnect in the history of personal computing and has migrated into consumer electronics (CE) and mobile products.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I am still waiting on that link . Get it and You can have mine . Heres a copy paste extract.

[1]: The IBM PC-AT was the second generation of IBM PCs. The first generation, although using the same exact plug for the keyboard, did not have compatible keyboard types.

[2]: I’d like to say thanks to Steve Jobs, for if it wern’t for Macs pushing USB, they wouldn’t have become popular on PCs; before that, they were only shipping with maybe one or two plugs plus PS/2 keyboards and mice.

 

[Nemesis 1]

He's a tool. Stop cranking him.

Regardless, Thunderbolt... that's a pretty fucking horrible name.

I don't think anyone genuinely believed (unless they were uninformed) that intel's next tech would be optical at this point. People bend shit like crazy and fiber can't handle it yet.

A tool ! LOL .

People bend shit like crazy and fiber can't handle it yet.[/QUOTE] This is true if you replace the word People with idiots.
Its more to do with Cost at this time than anything . I have installed alot of fiber cables and have had problems only in the early days when alighnment of connectors was critical . Now its easy !

 

[Diogenes2]

What does Thunderbolt have to do with CPU's and Overclocking ?



Let me guess.. If you posted in another forum, no one would read it...

 

[Dribble]

Right now we already have usb 3, it is backward compatible and hence works with everything - it is the universal peripheral standard, why do we need this?

The only thing that needs the extra performance is a monitor, but that's not going to go over to this - it's not a universal standard with all the required DRM for use by tv's, etc - it's just intel's baby.

 

[SolidSnake42]

Right now we already have usb 3, it is backward compatible and hence works with everything - it is the universal peripheral standard, why do we need this?

The only thing that needs the extra performance is a monitor, but that's not going to go over to this - it's not a universal standard with all the required DRM for use by tv's, etc - it's just intel's baby.

Usually how Apple works is that they like the ability to have proprietary cable connections added to their systems, such as Mini-DVI, Firewire, 30-pin iPod connection and so on. It's so they get more money with specific ports that go towards the devices they make (usually). Kinda like how Sony has Memory Stick Duo, which is just usually used for Sony products. Also, since Intel has not made it (USB 3.0) native on their systems, they probably have a say in what Apple can produce and in doing so, there is no USB 3.0. In turn, they agreed on something Intel made and put onto an Apple system. From what it looks like, Intel made Thunderbolt instead of trying to make the universal standard of USB 3.0 work natively on their systems.

But the only real reason for Thunderbolt is another monitor. Why not just use Mini-DVI or just a normal DisplayPort?

That is what I take from it anyways.

 

[tweakboy]

Is it just me, or does new technology come out every 2 weeks now.



I don't get it what about the poor peep who got a sandy which is 6gbps right right?