Three years in prison for intoxicated manslaughter

[Texashiker]

Related to the thread about universal health care - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2316789

Man who turned in front of a car, which resulted in the death of an 11 year old girl, served 3 years in prison for intoxicated manslaughter from 2006 - 2009.

http://www.ktre.com/story/22123090/zavalla-family

Rather than being drunk, he was on cocaine during the first crash.

How does society deal with someone who has contributed to the death of two young ladies?

How does someone high on cocaine get in a wreck, someone is killed, and only serves 3 years in prison?

If true justice had been served the first time the guy would still be in prison. Rather then keeping people like him in prison, the system turns them back out on the streets.

 

[Incorruptible]

Our justice system is horribly corrupt and being run by bleeding heart liberals. According to them it's never the criminals fault.

This guy killed two people and he should never have got 3 years for this. A bare minimum of 25 years or life with no chance of parole would be much more appropriate.

 

[jhbball]

Our justice system is horribly corrupt and being run by bleeding heart liberals. According to them it's never the criminals fault.

This guy killed two people and he should never have got 3 years for this. A bare minimum of 25 years or life with no chance of parole would be much more appropriate.

which mental illness do you have?

 

[Incorruptible]

which mental illness do you have?

I don't have a mental illness. I call for justice and for this guy to be locked up and you get upset.

This is the bleeding heart liberals in action.

 

[fskimospy]

Related to the thread about universal health care - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2316789

Man who turned in front of a car, which resulted in the death of an 11 year old girl, served 3 years in prison for intoxicated manslaughter from 2006 - 2009.

http://www.ktre.com/story/22123090/zavalla-family

Rather than being drunk, he was on cocaine during the first crash.

How does society deal with someone who has contributed to the death of two young ladies?

How does someone high on cocaine get in a wreck, someone is killed, and only serves 3 years in prison?

If true justice had been served the first time the guy would still be in prison. Rather then keeping people like him in prison, the system turns them back out on the streets.

How long should he have been in prison for?

 

[momeNt]

Rehabilitation through incarceration doesn't work at all, so why send him to jail?

Better off exiling him to a penal colony, perhaps make new one in a remote area of Alaska, let them start off from scratch.

 

[Texashiker]

How long should he have been in prison for?

How much is a life worth?

 

[fskimospy]

How much is a life worth?

So should he have been in jail for the rest of his life?

 

[boochi]

Did Ted Kennedy do any time?

 

[Texashiker]

So should he have been in jail for the rest of his life?

Negative.

But I do feel 3 years was a little short.

Texas has something like 15 or 17 years,,, as the maximum sentence for manslaughter. If having cocaine in your system does not justify close to the maximum, then what does?

 

[fskimospy]

Negative.

But I do feel 3 years was a little short.

Texas has something like 15 or 17 years,,, as the maximum sentence for manslaughter. If having cocaine in your system does not justify close to the maximum, then what does?

Manslaughter is used instead of murder basically when someone didn't have the intent to kill. While this is a tragedy I don't think sending people away for most of their adult life is a good answer for crimes without intent.

 

[Texashiker]

Manslaughter is used instead of murder basically when someone didn't have the intent to kill. While this is a tragedy I don't think sending people away for most of their adult life is a good answer for crimes without intent.

Did you leave out the word "negligence" for a reason?

If something was an honest accident, then you are correct.

But when you start dealing with negligence, then its a whole different story.

If having cocaine in your system while involved in a wreck in which someone is killed is not negligence, or even gross negligence, then what is?

 

[fskimospy]

Did you leave out the word "negligence" for a reason?

If something was an honest accident, then you are correct.

But when you start dealing with negligence, then its a whole different story.

If having cocaine in your system while involved in a wreck in which someone is killed is not negligence, or even gross negligence, then what is?

No particular reason, no. I felt that intent was the important part.

 

[Texashiker]

I felt that intent was the important part.

You are correct, intent is a very important part, but so is negligence.

How negligent does someone have to be before they deserve more than a slap on the wrist.

 

[SaurusX]

Too bad he wasn't an attractive young girl. It would have made all the difference in the world. Girl who worked at Texas capitol was driving home drunk when she hit and killed a jogger and just kept on going.

Nestande sentenced to 180 days in jail

 

[2timer]

I don't have a mental illness. I call for justice and for this guy to be locked up and you get upset.

This is the bleeding heart liberals in action.

I guess if the conservative groups weren't such a bunch of pussies they wouldn't let those bleeding heart liberals run all over them in the justice system, eh?

 

[2timer]

Negative.

But I do feel 3 years was a little short.

Texas has something like 15 or 17 years,,, as the maximum sentence for manslaughter. If having cocaine in your system does not justify close to the maximum, then what does?

I'm a Saudi Arabian Liberal. I would've locked him up for 10 years and chopped off his foot for good measure.

 

[xj0hnx]

Did you leave out the word "negligence" for a reason?

If something was an honest accident, then you are correct.

But when you start dealing with negligence, then its a whole different story.

If having cocaine in your system while involved in a wreck in which someone is killed is not negligence, or even gross negligence, then what is?

Why do you keep mentioning cocaine as if that caused the wreck?

 

[IBMer]

IMO its not man slaughter when you are under the influence of something you chose to take and knew it would adversely effect you. That is enough intent.

 

[Screech]

IMO its not man slaughter when you are under the influence of something you chose to take and knew it would adversely effect you. That is enough intent.

This is why CA has a dui murder law.....that said, while I assume it would apply to coke I'm really not sure.

 

[piasabird]

If you get drunk and jump in a motor vehicle that is not an accident it is premeditated murder.

 

[fskimospy]

If you get drunk and jump in a motor vehicle that is not an accident it is premeditated murder.

It definitely isn't, at least not by the standard definition of murder. You must have intent to commit the direct action that leads to the person's death and do so with malice. Merely getting into a car while drunk generally does not fit that description as presumably you aren't getting into the car with the intent of running someone over.

There are lots of other homicide laws that can cover this, but premeditated murder isn't it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't understand why people put such value on intent. Prison exists (in theory/optimism) to reduce crime by punishing criminal behavior and keeping those that can't be rehabilitated away from the general populace. When a murderer kills a family member or blackmailer in cold-blooded hate, the chances of him repeating his actions are nowhere near as high as a person that regularly drives DUI and kills people out of neglegence indiscriminately. Rational intent can be argued with. A sheer lack of caring is far more dangerous. Life in prison sounds perfectly acceptable to me.

 

[IBMer]

I have to disagree with you there Eskimosphy, they might not be intending to kill someone but it is pretty common knowledge that people get killed by drunk drivers frequently. Getting to a car and driving while intoxicated might be the result of impeded judgement, but you weren't impeded when you could have arranged precautions to not get into that situation. I know that law doesn't agree with me, but it should.

 

[Texashiker]

Why do you keep mentioning cocaine as if that caused the wreck?

Most rational people do not take drugs and drive.