Three things the RepubliKlans don't want to talk about concerning the Re-Count in Florida.

[I'm Typing]

1) The republiKlans say that we cannot trust a hand count because of the possibility of fraud. What they DON'T say is that when they do a manual recount in Florida, there is a Republican and a Democrat standing behind each person counting the votes, watching every move they make!!!
Are they implying that their own monitors are so incompetant that they could not catch fraud happening right in front of them?

2) Their beloved candidate has campaigned on "States Rights" since he won the primaries. His attack dog lawyers went to FEDERAL court to try to overturn the recount process!!! Does this mean that Bush only believes in "states rights" only as long as the state does what Bush wants?

3) It is interesting how they keep pointing out that Gore chose democratic counties for the hand recounts, in essence saying that the people running the polls in Palm Beach, Broward, Dade and Volusia cannot be trusted...but they like to portray the Secretary of State (Staunch Republican and Bush supporter) as unbiased and following the law?????


Frankly, if I took anything you ba$tards did seriously, I would be insulted.

 

[Russ]

Everything you've outlined has been thoroughly debated and debunked in the dozens of other threads about the issue. Read first, post second.

Russ, NCNE

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Three things the RepubliKlans

Bigot.

1) The Republicans present at the handcounts in PBC complained about improper handling of the ballots, but the votes were still counted.

2) Nothing to do with state's rights. The whole process is absurd, and questionable techniques are being used in the manual recount process.

3) The Secretary of State was elected to her office by the people of Florida. Yes, she is partisan. Everyone is partisan. BTW, as I said before:

The state judge handling a challenge brought by the Democrats in Palm Beach County is a Democrat whose husband contributes to the Democrats.

The federal judge who heard Bush's injunction motion is a Clinton appointee and a well-known liberal Democrat who used to be involved in Democratic politics.

Two of the three members of the Palm Beach County election board are Democrats, and they've called for recount after recount in order to find votes for Gore.

The attorney general of Florida is a Democrat, who also was chairman of the Gore campaign.

Why don't you try turning off NBC news and thinking for yourself.

 

[I'm Typing]

Oh please, Russ...that tactic is as old as Ronald Reagan...deny, deny, deny, then claim it is "old news."

Entertain me. Tell me how, with two people standing behind each counter, is the Republican party going to get bamboozled?

Tell me, why do the Bush lawyers go to a Federal Court FIRST, when the party is supposed to believe in "State's Rights?"

Tell me, why are you so sure that Kate Harris is NOT going to get a cushy job in the Bush administration, providing she makes sure he wins Florida?

For you to say that all of this has been covered already in other threads is a joke. How can you possibly think that I don't watch what goes on in this BBS???

 

[Hulk]

There was a vote and a count - Bush won.

There was a mandatory recount - Bush won again.

On their own volition the Democrats began the manual recount. Don't act like Bush was the first one to intervene with Florida's system. Gore was. I belive they filed something like 8 lawsuits.

Finally a few days later Bush files against them and he is accused of litigating first??? What? The media is so biased it's simply amazing.


On the manual recount. Whether or not my candidate was ahead or behind I would not want old ladies holding cards up to the light to determine the vote. Those cards were designed to be read by a machine.

If you stare at a voting card long enough, it'll confess.

Kate Harris is doing her job. Nothing more nothing less. I wouldn't like it if I were on the other side but I wouldn't cry like a baby and make up ridiculous stories.

Listen. If you're really so scared of Bush taking office, just take the money you'll save on your income tax return and donate it to the charity of your choice.

Oh yeah, and before you start talking about the environment make sure you're driving a fuel efficient car, car pool whenever you can, don't keep the heat/air conditioning up to high/low, have a degree in science or engineering so you know what the hell you're talking about, don't throw cigarette butts on the ground, etc...

 

[etech]

Anyone that types RepubliKlans is so obviously biased and stupid as to not deserve any reply to their blathering.

 

[Stark]

The guy who introduced bill gates at comdex had a pretty good line:

"You'd think with all this IT experience, we could decide our next president without using fingers and toes."

Here's an idea... have people make sure there aren't any "chad" hanging off the punchcards, then run them through again. Hand tallies are rediculous.

 

[DefRef]

If Bush loses this mess, it'll be because he was naive enough to trust the people and the vote count while Gore sent an army of lawyers and spinners down to Florida to whip up the population into a crying froth and to mobilize their partisans into "finding" the votes neccesary to steal the election. That'll teach him to underestimate experienced election fraud perpitrators like the Democrats.

Has anyone noticed that when these recounts happen, that Gore picks up many, many times more votes than Bush? Good thing that all those Gore votes are being discovered in time to reverse the election, huh?

 

[fragarific]

The citizens(people from America the candidates keep talking about) of Palm Beach county were the ones to file the law suits. Gore filed no suits.

<edit> fragarific

 

[fragarific]

AND steal the election, HA. Counting the votes so that its more accurate is not close to what i would call innapropriate behavior.

 

[HotShot]

I'm Typing:

In response to your 3 questions to Russ:

1. It is not as hard as you think. The volunteers that make up these counting teams are usually old, retired folk and not, by any means, experts. They have there own idea of what the standards are and how they are applied (case in point, the Palm Beach Offical Ballot had directions (the standard) but, as we all know, were applied in many different ways). Remember, these are people (on the Democrat side) that feel that they are having there basic rights withheld from them by the very person that is on the ballot that they are counting. There is certainly a bias in favor of Gore which is why Bush is saying that these counts are unfair. A machine has no bais to one party or another it &quot;just counts&quot; the facts. If a ballot with a mark that could be a dimple comes up and the &quot;team&quot; cannot agree if they should count it or not then it goes to the county election officials for review. It is here where the most &quot;bias&quot; could come to play. What happens if in this private room (with the counties head Democrat election officals vs. Republican &quot;observers&quot the Election officals place a disputed ballot in the tally for Gore? It becomes the Republicans responsibility to claim fruad and to then prove each and every case of it in front of a Democrat appointed Judge until it gets apealled all the way up and then who knows if they could prove it. By then, the final count is known and it could spoil the outcome for Bush. I'm not saying this will happen but you have to admit that the opportunity is present.

2. This one is very easy. Any United States Constitutional Issue can only be litigated in a Federal Court of Law. In the complaint filed by the Bush campaign, it sited Equal Rights and one other Article as being violated on what is essintially the &quot;special concideration&quot; that these few votes are getting compared with the rest of the population. As you may know, there are also complaints filed in Florida State Court that refer to Florida State Law. Perhaps Bush made a mistake by filing his Federal complaint before his State complaint because of this kind of public misunderstanding (or confusion) of the issue. But when siting the U.S. Constitution, know matter who you are, you have to file in Federal Court. He didn't have a choice to file in State court on the complaint he brought forth.

3. This is politics we are discussing here, right? Your saying that there have never been any &quot;friends&quot; of Clinton that received cushy jobs...one Mrs. Monica by one Mr. Vernon. I am not saying that if Bush wins Florida she will not be &quot;rewarded&quot; within the party, but lets be real about this, it happens. By Democrats and Republicans alike.

Oh, an the deal about Reagan (deny, deny, deny...) well at least you can say that Clinton learned well by being able to look into the faces of all Americans' during the Monica deal and deny it to our faces, then lie to a Federal Grand Jury. My point here is that sh*t goes on in both parties, not just one. Be real.

What is going on in Florida is ALL politics. Do you really think the Democrats would fight for these votes if Bush was leading by a large margin? Do you really think that the Gore campaign would say that because the ballot was fuzzy we will fight to have your votes counted even if we would lose anyway just so your basic right to vote is intact? No. Flat out no. The reason they are saying all this stuff is because the election is close and they have to say it to stay in the game. Likewise, Bush has to say that he is simply abiding by the current understanding of the law, and by that law he will win. Only a judge can change it now. The game continues...

 

[wj]

Gore is just a sore loser



wj

 

[mrVod]

You want to rant about post-election appointees? Just imagine Carol Roberts, the chain-smoking, hillbilly, trailer-park barfly of the microphone millenium being appointed as Secretary of State by the Sore Loserman administration...don't forget that your buddy Clinton had the intellect to appoint Jocelyn Elders--think Sore's gonna do better than that?? HAHA!! I think not.

In addition, it's now been brought to light that the majority of the Buchanan votes in the counties in question were actually cast by the African American voters in those counties, NOT those condominium-based nursing home residents who were plagerized by Sore Loserman telemarketing campaigns trying to convince them by way of doubt that they had maybe voted for the wrong guy. Your good buddy Sore sure knows how to look after the elderly now doesn't he? Good thing he's not an insurance salesman.........casting the tie-breaking vote to raise the taxes on Social Security income on those poor folks was bad enough.

Lastly, it wasn't a Republican who was apprehended by the police on 11-11 with a stolen Vote-O-Matic in the trunk of his car...it was one of your good Liberal friends in the &quot;vote-deprived&quot; counties tryin to figure a way to twist the results a little more....maybe he was WORKING for Carol Roberts. IN any case, you got a lot more fact-finding to do before you start slingin, dude....

 

[MrPALCO]

<< Entertain me. Tell me how, with two people standing behind each counter, is the Republican party going to get bamboozled? >>



The votes were counted and Bush won.

State Law required a recount, based on the percentage gap, Bush won that.

George W. Bush will be the President elect, after the absentee ballots are counted today. The law mandates a 12 midnight deadline.

The rules were clear before the election, going to the courts now, is like going to the courts to reverse a Superbowl victory.

This type of &quot;the rules can be changed after the game&quot; thinking, is why Democrats have always been easily lead, by the Outlaw.

 

[ToBeMe]

Ha Ha, This is getting so damned funny......it doesn't matter anymore anyway! The Democrats are just going to keep pushing until they have manufactured their desired result....whatever the cost! Actually, I'm beginning to kind of hope Gwhore does get in.......why? So he can be run through the mill so hard his head will spin from day one! The cry in the entire Midwest (in fact, 2/3 of the States) will be for his Impeachment and with all of this, any movement to further any more gun control laws will probably lead to a near civil war! These &quot;small town&quot; midwest papers are already pouncing on what &quot;may&quot; happen if Gwhore &quot;bully's&quot; his way into the Presidency.....Paul Harvey had a piece on it just yesterday where a group of KS farmers were so put out by what's going on, they stated &quot;fine, if that's the way he wants to get in let's see what he does without any grain/livestock out of the entire midwest!&quot; That's a huge statement for them to make.......but what if? Don't underestimate these midwest states.....they may not be population mekas but, they do hold perhaps the largest key to our economy......and they are extremely upset at the Gore/Leiberman people! No, actually like I said, either of them will have a rough go of it, but if Gwore succeeds.......it could be REALLY something to watch....or watch out for!

 

[Balt]

<<Anyone that types RepubliKlans is so obviously biased and stupid as to not deserve any reply to their blathering. >>

I couldn't agree more. I'm not even a Republican and I find that EXTREMELY offensive.

Don't forget Alan Keyes and Colin Powell(sp?) are also &quot;RepubliKlan&quot; and have accomplished more in life than you ever will by just mindlessly tossing out stupid derogatory phrases.

 

[I'm Typing]

Balt: Keyes is a goofball in his own right. But we are not talking about that. Colin Powell might be a good man for the Republican party, but the republiKlans will never listen to him, or give him any power in the party.

Funny how people like Rush turn &quot;liberal&quot; into a word dirtier than &quot;Fsck&quot; for 8 years, and you get all up in arms about &quot;republiKlans.&quot;

Saying that I am a bigot comes from ignorance. My father was a Republican, my wife is a Republican, and there are many good Republicans out there. Frankly, I rooted for McCain all through the primaries, and would have voted for the guy if the republiKlans had let him actually go up against Gore.

I use those terms because they denote disrespect for certain portions of the party, not because I am a bigot.

 

[bigjon]

fragarific,

<<Counting the votes so that its more accurate is not close to what i would call innapropriate behavior.>>

Recounting the votes in 4 highly democratic counties while leaving the rest of the counties alone is not promoting accuracy - any additional &quot;found&quot; ballots will probably go to Gore, and that is precisely why Gore chose those counties for the revote. Gore will only accept that the votes were accurate once he's ahead.

The chad issue aside, each recount is less accurate than the previous recount because it is being counted differently from the rest of the counties in the country. If we recounted the entire country there's no telling what would happen. Elections have never been perfectly accurate, that's why there are rules against too many recounts (deadlines). Nixon was man enough to accept defeat in 1960, why can't Gore?

 

[Balt]

&quot;Liberal&quot; has no universal meaning. It is entirely up to you whether or not you think it's derogatory. It describes an ideology, nothing else.

&quot;Klan&quot; however, well that is universally disgusting.


<<I use those terms because they denote disrespect for certain portions of the party, not because I am a bigot.>>

You think there aren't fanatic democrats? I don't see you calling them something that has NOTHING to do with their ideology. Calling anyone that doesn't denote disrespect, it denotes your inability to come up with a more fitting term.

BTW, Colin Powell doesn't WANT to run for any high office as I understand it. If he really wanted to run, I think the Republicans would pee their pants in excitement. That would extend their electorate quite effectively, if nothing else. Don't forget, PEOPLE choose their presidential candidates (primaries, remember?). Even if the people don't make a good choice (I think that is true this election) it's still the PEOPLE's choice. I realize the party can throw their support behind one candidate, but Powell's fame would allow him to succeed without their full support (and I don't think they would deny him that support).

aaaaaaaaaanyway, back to the point. You are free to use whatever language you want, of course, but I think using the term &quot;RepubliKlan&quot; is just likely to make people think you ARE a bigot.

P.S. - Keyes is no goofball.