Three NYPD officers have been acquitted of all charges in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed man on his wedding day.

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Originally posted by: Perknose
I agree with this guy, writing for that Liberal New York Times:

THE first time I almost shot someone, I wasn?t that scared.

It was 1986, and my partner and I had responded to a report of a man waving a knife inside the Port Authority Bus Terminal. When we arrived, I saw the knife in the man?s outstretched arm. I drew my weapon, and I yelled at him to drop the knife. My partner began inching his way toward the man, pleading with him to put the knife down. I made up my mind that I was going to shoot if the man lunged toward us. My partner got close enough to swing his nightstick down on the man?s arm. The knife fell to the ground and we quickly handcuffed him.

Why wasn?t I scared? Because I could see the threat clearly; I knew what I was facing. There were plenty of other times during my 20-year police career, however, when I was afraid. Usually it was when I couldn?t clearly see a potential suspect and didn?t know if he had a weapon. For a police officer, if a suspect is ignoring your commands and you can?t see his hands, you will feel that your life is in danger.

That was the situation that faced the police detectives who shot and killed Sean Bell outside the Club Kalua in Queens on Nov. 25, 2006. So I?m glad that on Friday, Justice Arthur J. Cooperman was able to navigate through the rhetoric of the prosecution and acquit Detectives Gescard F. Isnora, Michael Oliver and Marc Cooper on manslaughter and all other charges.


Mr. Bell was killed and two of his friends, Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, were seriously wounded in a fusillade of 50 bullets. The police, who were conducting a prostitution sting, said that Mr. Bell tried to drive over an undercover detective. The officers fired because they thought one of the Bell party had a gun.

Since no gun was found in the vehicle, it is clear that the police officers made a tragic mistake. They even violated department guidelines, which prohibit using deadly force against someone in a vehicle unless he is threatening an officer?s life by means other than the vehicle, such as firing a gun at the same time. But in the end, what they did was not criminal.

When police officers are cleared of charges in a tragedy like the Bell shooting, or that of Amadou Diallo in 1999, critics will look elsewhere to assign blame. A common claim is that if the officers aren?t to blame, the fault must lie in their training. This is nonsense.

At the time of the Diallo shooting, I was an instructor in the Police Department?s in-service training unit. I trained more than 1,000 supervisors, using seminars and role-playing exercises in various subjects including deadly physical force. Trust me: training can instill good habits and safe tactics, but you can?t control the level of fear, or the individual choice that a person makes about when to pull that trigger. In that position, an officer has seconds to make a life-altering decision: Is my life in imminent danger? How to answer that question can?t be taught in a classroom.

That said, I do believe that the first officer to fire his weapon in the Bell case, Detective Isnora, carries a greater moral responsibility than the others. Once he fired, contagious shooting took hold, making it difficult for the others to stop. But this case was not about manslaughter or any other crime. It was about whether the judge believed Detective Isnora when he told the grand jury that he felt his life and the lives of his team members were at stake.

Not many people will ever know what that feels like. Most police officers, myself included, never get shot or even discharge their guns. No one can fairly say that the detectives outside the Kalua were not in a dangerous situation. Some New Yorkers seem to think it wasn?t quite dangerous enough. Well, they can debate that for an eternity. Gescard Isnora wasn?t afforded such leisure.

For most people exonerated at trial, this story would be over ? but not for the police. The officers still face the prospect of federal charges and departmental punishment. It makes me very glad I didn?t have to shoot that man in the Port Authority. Even though he had a knife, the police are always second-guessed when they use deadly physical force.

In his closing arguments last week, the prosecutor, Charles Testagrossa, said, ?We ask the police to risk their lives to protect ours.? I agree. But they shouldn?t have to gamble with them.

Kyle K. Murphy, a former lieutenant in the New York Police Department, is a graduate student in journalism at Columbia.

What a surprise one pig protecting another.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: JD50


None of us know what actually happened, and the person that has the most details as to what did happened already made his decision, the cops were acquitted. Like another poster said, both sides probably could have been a little smarter, but without having any real details we are all just guessing.

Its too bad the side that needs to start acting smarter isn't. If you can get away with almost anything, why change?

On a related note, Massachusetts Police Get Black Uniforms to Instill Sense of 'Fear'

This will certainly make everything better. Can't wait to see how badly this will turn out.

I hear they are also getting black helicopters, better keep an eye out for them....;)

The point I was making that as police adapt a more aggressive stance with the normal populace, the people respond in kind. For example, would you rather chat with Officer O'Malley in the blues with the large peaked cap? Or Officer O'Malley wearing all black with an assault rifle in hand?

Plus, if your goal in policing is to instill fear in people, you need to get out of the field immediately.
 
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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: JD50


None of us know what actually happened, and the person that has the most details as to what did happened already made his decision, the cops were acquitted. Like another poster said, both sides probably could have been a little smarter, but without having any real details we are all just guessing.

Its too bad the side that needs to start acting smarter isn't. If you can get away with almost anything, why change?

On a related note, Massachusetts Police Get Black Uniforms to Instill Sense of 'Fear'

This will certainly make everything better. Can't wait to see how badly this will turn out.

I hear they are also getting black helicopters, better keep an eye out for them....;)

The point I was making that as police adapt a more aggressive stance with the normal populace, the people respond in kind. For example, would you rather chat with Officer O'Malley in the blues with the large peaked cap? Or Officer O'Malley wearing all black with an assault rifle in hand?

Plus, if your goal in policing is to instill fear in people, you need to get out of the field immediately.

The latter. It would look cool
 

wwswimming

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this is like the New York City version of Rodney King. except Rodney King had
committed a few crimes, i forget the details.

then when the verdict came out, there's only one word, Florence & Normandie.
i was in LA in 2001 to go to the Oscars, watching them from the outside with
some friends. it was near South Central so i went there, nice day & no sound
of gunfire.

no need to repeat what happened. excessive use of force. civilian dead.