Three cheers for Jerry Brown

[Keeper]

HOLY CRAP... OK, You guys are rolling way faster than I. I will step back annd hit refresh......And I thought this topic was about his gun control issues....

 

[Keeper]

Wow,



So the public is funding the education of illegal immigrants.

Come to US
Get education paid for
Go back to home country
Wipe butt with student loan agreement
Flush student loan agreement down toilet

And nobody seems to care.

DING DING DING... We have a winner. Welcome Tex.... Listen, I agree with you. BUT even though most, if not all my friends agree with our shock and horror (Wait for it.....) Sheet like this keeps going like this. Its insane. Nucking FUTS. But it goes on. DAILY. We vote "New guys" in, it gets worse. Red lies. Blue lies. they all LIE. they are in it for themselves....

 

[RampantAndroid]

Brown is a true blue far left progressive. That movement assumes that almost all people are unable to correctly make decisions about their own lives; instead, an enlightened government bureaucracy must make those decisions for you. Why on Earth would people who believe you are unable to provide your own health care, day care, etc. trust you with a firearm? Only the State's agents, on the State's business, deserve to be armed. (And of course the bodyguards of the important people, that goes without saying.)

Besides, a key tenant of progressive "thought" is that the individual is worthless and interchangeable; only the group has value. If you get murdered by some gang banger or junkie, there are plenty of people to replace you so that government doesn't suffer. Besides, that gang banger or junkie is worth just as much as you, if not more - why should the State allow you to take his life to possibly save your own?

You know, there's a great clip from Ron Paul where some overweight guy questions him on that fact that Paul wants to give up the war on drugs (the clip is from the early 90s, I think?) and let people figure out on their own that drugs are bad. Paul retorts with something along the lines of "Why should the government tell you what to do? You're a little overweight, maybe they should make you go on a diet" (the crowd just goes insane, completely missing the point.)

Did you even read my message? You of all people should know android phones have a lot of protection in them if they are lost or stolen.

Anyway, back to your jibberish. I kinda support the phone search. Most dealers have all their contacts and notes and what not in their phones. If we can get a few more creeps off the streets... I'm all for it!

If you got nothing to hide ... then why worry? Do you plan to be target by the police? If you plan to rob someone or do illegal activities then here is a Hint for ya... Don't carry your phone that day and you'll be protected!!!

I don't even own a smart phone, yeah I can check my email and crap on my phone but I don't.... I hardly ever go online with my phone even tho I have unlimited data plan. I use it mostly for a phone! I have no problem showing a cop my call directory. If they want to look at my email? No problem! Hack my account! I'm not going to provide passwords.

Your thinking is flawed. Police already abuse power, this is a further allowance to do so. Want to search someone's emails? Just find some hokey reason to arrest them. I don't want police to be able to freely check my emails, either by intercepting them when they come through the intertubes (hurray for HTTPS?) or by grabbing my phone. Hell, I bet this law says that you must provide unlock codes! It's not whether I have anything to hide, it's that my phone is my business. By the 4th amendment, it is NOT an open container, and as such they have no (read, ZERO) justification to search it WITHOUT A WARRANT.

Also, Android OS was released in 2008. My join date here is what, 2003? 2004? I started using this name in 2000? It's a play on Paranoid Android? It has nothing to do with the turd that Google shit out back in 2008.

 

[Drako]

California: A state where it is illegal to go to a tanning salon if you are under 18, even if you have your parents permission. However, you can get an abortion with or without your parents permission.

 

[IGBT]

California: A state where it is illegal to go to a tanning salon if you are under 18, even if you have your parents permission. However, you can get an abortion with or without your parents permission.

liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[RampantAndroid]

DING DING DING... We have a winner. Welcome Tex.... Listen, I agree with you. BUT even though most, if not all my friends agree with our shock and horror (Wait for it.....) Sheet like this keeps going like this. Its insane. Nucking FUTS. But it goes on. DAILY. We vote "New guys" in, it gets worse. Red lies. Blue lies. they all LIE. they are in it for themselves....

You know what I want? Term limits. For every elected office in the US. 2 terms. Then you're finished. No more 25 term reps. You go in for two and back out. And you encourage normal people...your neighbor who is a vet, the farmer down the road, the guy who drops off your UPS packages...to run. You make it so the lawyers aren't the people going to run government...you stop writing 1,000 page laws and passing them...you make government simple. Enough of the bullshit. Enough of the two party cluster**ck. The framers did NOT intend for a two party system...but it became one by the time Jefferson took office. This is insane. Let's see some fresh ideas, and less career politicians...

 

[Moonbeam]

California: A state where it is illegal to go to a tanning salon if you are under 18, even if you have your parents permission. However, you can get an abortion with or without your parents permission.

But but, that makes perfect sense. Both are designed to protect kids from parents who are idiots, brainwashed that way or otherwise. You just think it's your sacred duty and right to fuck over your kids without any limits at all. But crazy ass shit-heads like you don't get to dump millions of unwanted babies onto welfare to become psycho criminals and killers because of the stupidity of your religion or bury our hospitals in folk dying of skin cancer. Society has a right to defend itself against morons.

 

[werepossum]

Yes, liberalism is an evil and misanthropic ideology that espouses hatred of people. It's worse than fascism. So says werepossum, the authority on liberal philosophy.

No no no. Liberalism loves people, including individualism. However liberalism has largely been supplanted by the progressive movement which is just another form of incremental Marxism. Witness how the left treats a woman or minority who dares venture off the plantation.

 

[werepossum]

You know, there's a great clip from Ron Paul where some overweight guy questions him on that fact that Paul wants to give up the war on drugs (the clip is from the early 90s, I think?) and let people figure out on their own that drugs are bad. Paul retorts with something along the lines of "Why should the government tell you what to do? You're a little overweight, maybe they should make you go on a diet" (the crowd just goes insane, completely missing the point.)
SNIP

Exactly. I'm no great fan of Dr. Paul - I think the libertarian movement fails at protecting/controlling the border and at regulating business - but he is spot-on here, and overall he is hands down the best candidate on either side in a LONG time of basic human rights and what the government should and should not be able to do to you, or on your supposed behalf. (And great tag, by the way.)

You know what I want? Term limits. For every elected office in the US. 2 terms. Then you're finished. No more 25 term reps. You go in for two and back out. And you encourage normal people...your neighbor who is a vet, the farmer down the road, the guy who drops off your UPS packages...to run. You make it so the lawyers aren't the people going to run government...you stop writing 1,000 page laws and passing them...you make government simple. Enough of the bullshit. Enough of the two party cluster**ck. The framers did NOT intend for a two party system...but it became one by the time Jefferson took office. This is insane. Let's see some fresh ideas, and less career politicians...

Again, exactly right. We need term limits worse than any other single thing. The longer one stays in D.C. the farther one gets from reality and the more the lobbyists and bureaucrats seem to be America rather than just some small, perverted part of America.

 

[woolfe9999]

No no no. Liberalism loves people, including individualism. However liberalism has largely been supplanted by the progressive movement which is just another form of incremental Marxism. Witness how the left treats a woman or minority who dares venture off the plantation.

Semantics. You were attacking "progressivism" which is nothing more than an alternative name for what used to be (and still often is) referred to as liberalism.

Anyway, I could meet your rant with a similar disquisition on how conservatism is based upon having contempt for one's fellow man but we all know how much value these one sided lectures hold.

 

[werepossum]

Semantics. You were attacking "progressivism" which is nothing more than an alternative name for what used to be (and still often is) referred to as liberalism.

Anyway, I could meet your rant with a similar disquisition on how conservatism is based upon having contempt for one's fellow man but we all know how much value these one sided lectures hold.

It's hardly semantics. Liberalism classically was that movement pushing for individual rights and empowerment; progressivism is the movement seeking to minimize individual rights and empowerment, replacing them with group identity. Liberalism is all about the individual; progressivism is all about the state and the group. Liberalism seeks to arm the individual against the state's power; progressivism seeks to disarm the individual against the state's power. The two movements may find common cause in many things, especially when united against the conservatives, but at their hearts the two are antithetical.

 

[woolfe9999]

It's hardly semantics. Liberalism classically was that movement pushing for individual rights and empowerment; progressivism is the movement seeking to minimize individual rights and empowerment, replacing them with group identity. Liberalism is all about the individual; progressivism is all about the state and the group. Liberalism seeks to arm the individual against the state's power; progressivism seeks to disarm the individual against the state's power. The two movements may find common cause in many things, especially when united against the conservatives, but at their hearts the two are antithetical.

And at the core of conservatism is the amoral and totally misanthropic notion of social darwinism, which not coincidentally was a core principle of fascism.

In all seriousness, I disagree with your assertions about progressivism. It's just the classic fallacy of the excluded middle that all ideologues seem to engage in. To you, progressivism=marxism, since your definition of progressivism is indistinguishable from Marxism. Sure, if we define progressivism as marxism then your definition is correct. The trouble is you fail to see a middle ground between the pure statism of the Bolshevics and the anarcho-capitalism of the libertarians. That middle ground is where modern U.S. progressives lie. To be sure, depending on the individual they are at different places within that spectrum. The trouble is you don't see the spectrum.

 

[Kadarin]

California: A state where it is illegal to go to a tanning salon if you are under 18, even if you have your parents permission. However, you can get an abortion with or without your parents permission.

Bolded part is as it should be. Parental permission (or even notification) should absolutely NOT be required.

 

[FDF12389]

Bolded part is as it should be. Parental permission (or even notification) should absolutely NOT be required.

On what basis should this medical procedure be an exception to the rule?

 

[Doppel]

But but, that makes perfect sense. Both are designed to protect kids from parents who are idiots, brainwashed that way or otherwise. You just think it's your sacred duty and right to fuck over your kids without any limits at all. But crazy ass shit-heads like you don't get to dump millions of unwanted babies onto welfare to become psycho criminals and killers because of the stupidity of your religion or bury our hospitals in folk dying of skin cancer. Society has a right to defend itself against morons.

You need to learn how to make your point without resorting as you always do to grade-school insults. As I've told you before, use your grown up words. Thesaurus.com if you need it.

 

[BladeVenom]

If you got nothing to hide ... then why worry?

Police don't seem to like it when you videotape them, or put transmitters on their cars, yet everything they do should be public record.

 

[Moonbeam]

You need to learn how to make your point without resorting as you always do to grade-school insults. As I've told you before, use your grown up words. Thesaurus.com if you need it.

Thank you for a constructive criticism. I appreciate it. I learned, however, over in L & R, to adjust my language to fit the lingua franka of the particular forum in order to harmoniously blend in. And I always try to reveal hidden things by using a mirror. I remain convinced that the best chance folk have for developing some awareness of how contemptible they are is by seeing the same thing in me. I also try to practice a certain emotional detachment from the implication of the words I use and the words used against me such that the shit I have thrown at me has very little effect and the words I use in turn, I don't believe at all. There is only love but to see that is a challenge. How many times have I told folk that they are never harmed by words they don't already believe. I can demonstrate half of that with the hope the rest becomes more obvious.

 

[Moonbeam]

Police don't seem to like it when you videotape them, or put transmitters on their cars, yet everything they do should be public record.

I think this no filming thing is pretty sick. Has it gone to the Supreme Court, I wonder.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Police don't seem to like it when you videotape them, or put transmitters on their cars, yet everything they do should be public record.

It is 100% legal to videotape a cop...but heaven forbid you do it - they'll harass you, threaten you and strong arm you. Most cops in the US are absolute an absolute waste of space. Example: Dealing with Redmond PD or Seattle PD usually results in them belittling you, mistreating you, and heaven forbid you did something like jwalk - seattle PD will arrest you. And should you protest saying "dude, I jwalked. Give me a ticket and let me go" they'll get physical (look on youtube, there's a video of someone being beaten down WHILE HANDCUFFED. For some strange reason however, King country sheriffs are no problem. All dealings with them are mature, controlled, and easy.

Got pulled over for speeding by a sheriff. The sheriff's car was driving towards me when he tagged me (and while I realized the headlights coming at me looked like a crown vic, I didn't break fast enough) - pulled a 3 point uturn and pulled me over. Came up to my car, asked for license and registration (didn't give me a sobriety test, and I'd just had a beer...) and he told me I was speeding, but that he couldn't ticket me since he was in motion, and by WA law you must be stopped, or you must speed match. Then he warned me that he'd seen a deer on the road and let me go. He was very professional. Why can't all cops be like him?

Anyway...that's a tangent. Whoops...

 

[zinfamous]

hrm. sounds like the republicans here are soon going to have a huge issue with Governor Rick Perry.

that is...if they truly believe in their principles.

 

[zinfamous]

On what basis should this medical procedure be an exception to the rule?

 

[werepossum]

And at the core of conservatism is the amoral and totally misanthropic notion of social darwinism, which not coincidentally was a core principle of fascism.

In all seriousness, I disagree with your assertions about progressivism. It's just the classic fallacy of the excluded middle that all ideologues seem to engage in. To you, progressivism=marxism, since your definition of progressivism is indistinguishable from Marxism. Sure, if we define progressivism as marxism then your definition is correct. The trouble is you fail to see a middle ground between the pure statism of the Bolshevics and the anarcho-capitalism of the libertarians. That middle ground is where modern U.S. progressives lie. To be sure, depending on the individual they are at different places within that spectrum. The trouble is you don't see the spectrum.

I see the spectrum, I just recognize that progressives are quite near one end of it. The very name says it - progressive action to enact the Marxist policies other nations have adopted through revolution. The Occupy Wall Street crowd is an excellent example - they aren't waving signs against capitalism by accident.

 

[Infohawk]

You can't be a moderate and pass the Dream Act.

Schwarzenneger was a moderate. vetoed it. He was pro-choice and pro-environment too IIRC correctly.

 

[LunarRay]

I think this no filming thing is pretty sick. Has it gone to the Supreme Court, I wonder.

I think the highest the issue has gotten - in federal court - is: Simon Glik vs.The City of Boston and IIRC, the first circuit ruled in the favor of Glik who was apparently charged with illegal wiretapping.

I am of the opinion that IF there are no collateral violations of law then it is a First Amendment Right... One cannot reasonably expect to be within feet of a police action and be free to film or to record the dialog between an officer and suspect when either may have an expectation of privacy etc...

 

[JSt0rm]

But but, that makes perfect sense. Both are designed to protect kids from parents who are idiots, brainwashed that way or otherwise.

lmao. Fucking owned.