Threats of Violence Against ICE

[SlowSpyder]

Wasn't so long ago, that the Gestapo was complaining about the same thing.

Think there could be a pattern?

Got it, threatening someone's kids, potentially criminally, is fine and dandy today because it once happened to someone that was part of the Gestapo.

 

[Viper1j]

Got it, threatening someone's kids, potentially criminally, is fine and dandy today because it once happened to someone that was part of the Gestapo.

You apologizing for Nazis now?

 

[Vic]

Got it, threatening someone's kids, potentially criminally, is fine and dandy today because it once happened to someone that was part of the Gestapo.

Got it, running over peaceful protesters, definitely criminally, is fine and dandy with you because you hate free speech.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Ok so you do want to have someone enforce immigration, just don’t call them ICE and since they are all bad we start from scratch?

It is worth noting that ICE has only existed since 2002, and it does not secure the border. That is done by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, a completely different agency.

We could try to reform the organization but that is often harder than just starting over, and it would not get rid of one of the worst problems of the organization, that it is politically convenient for both sides to use as a ball to kick around for political points.

Personally I would remove the entire agency and hand over the majority of it duties and budget to a different organization, the FBI. Customs I would return to it's own agency and hand it over to the Treasury Dept, or even the IRS, since it is tax enforcement and not security. The FBI can absorb the investigative parts of ICE into it's main body, and form the immigration enforcement and removal into a new branch of the main FBI org. That way is the Republicans or Democrats want to mess with their funding they have to mess with the FBI's funding, and that is not going to be popular with anyone.
There would be a number of advantages to this, including that the training and expectations for FBI agents are considerable higher than that of ICE currently. Since it would be a part of a larger organization it would be able to draw on resources as needed to handle sudden surges of immigration, or move those resources to other tasks when immigration is low.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Got it, threatening someone's kids, potentially criminally, is fine and dandy today because it once happened to someone that was part of the Gestapo.

On one hand we have a group of people saying threats against kids, on the other we have people actually harming kids. Guess which one are you siding with?

 

[SlowSpyder]

On one hand we have a group of people saying threats against kids, on the other we have people actually harming kids. Guess which one are you siding with?

Children are harmed by sex traffickers, what families were separated over in the first place. Before liberals decided it mattered today, unlike 2015.

 

[Jhhnn]

Children are harmed by sex traffickers, what families were separated over in the first place. Before liberals decided it mattered today, unlike 2015.

Which isn't why they're being separated today & which isn't about ICE, either. ICE just locks up parents & leaves the kids to fend for themselves.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Children are harmed by sex traffickers, what families were separated over in the first place. Before liberals decided it mattered today, unlike 2015.

I don't know what you mean about the last sentence, but the first one only works until you are fairly certain they are not sex traffickers. Once you start to hold children in cages with bare concrete floors with no privacy or even turning the lights out for months at a time after you are pretty sure they were not being trafficked you are harming the kids for no reason other than you are evil.

 

[Viper1j]

Children are harmed by sex traffickers, what families were separated over in the first place. Before liberals decided it mattered today, unlike 2015.

Children are harmed through sleep deprivation (considered torture under the Geneva Conventions) being subjected to extreme temperature conditions, (also considered torture), beng deprived of adequate food, and hygiene. All under the American flag.

I would not be shocked at all, if Trump hasn't started growing a few future serial killers with his acts. And I'm not even including the children that have been molested by ICE. A few future pedos in the making there.

Could this be Slow?

 

[ElFenix]

Why though?

because the institutional knowledge is bad.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You apologizing for Nazis now?

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"now" ???

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't know what you mean about the last sentence, but the first one only works until you are fairly certain they are not sex traffickers. Once you start to hold children in cages with bare concrete floors with no privacy or even turning the lights out for months at a time after you are pretty sure they were not being trafficked you are harming the kids for no reason other than you are evil.

Anybody with a lick of sense realizes that the vast, vast majority of asylum seeking children aren't being trafficked at all. It's a really fucking stupid conspiracy theory.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Anybody with a lick of sense realizes that the vast, vast majority of asylum seeking children aren't being trafficked at all. It's a really fucking stupid conspiracy theory.

If I may -- Let me add -- SMOGZINN If you or anyone else believes that the vast majority of asylum seeking chilfdre3n are being trafficked then all you are Fuckin stupid!!

 

[SMOGZINN]

If I may -- Let me add -- SMOGZINN If you or anyone else believes that the vast majority of asylum seeking chilfdre3n are being trafficked then all you are Fuckin stupid!!

Just to set the record straight, I believe that almost no children are being trafficked across the border. I have not seen a single piece of evidence that we have managed to catch a single human trafficker with this administration's child torture program. Almost all human trafficking is domestic not international.

I was simply making the argument that even if you believed this silly fairy tail about child trafficking then what they are doing is still beyond the pale. None of their excuses are anything more than lip service, and none of it holds up to even the most basic of scrutiny. It is an official program of torturing children to cause terror, and this administration needs to be brought to account for it.