I am not in the US. Maybe that's why my laptop is not on the list.
I am not in the US. Maybe that's why my laptop is not on the list.
All things considering, I would consider myself to be more impartial than before - I now to just vote with my wallet (price, performance, heat, power draw, and the things mentioned in this thread kind of lead me away from nVidia this last gen).
I agree, if your around long enough you will see or unfortunately experience many disappointments related to design or manufacturing.
I have a 2004 Sony Vaio laptop ,2000 dollars bricked with a ATI discrete gpu, The gpu died. Probably heat related.
A original owner of the Xbox 360, I believe I was one of the first 300 to sign up for Live, Red Ring of Death.
A special edition model of car. One of 400 made with a supposedly hand assembled engine. = Blown head gasket
Early adopter of DvD, 1998, Sony DvD player ,retail 500 dollars. 13 months dead.
When i brought my laptop, I also also brought extended warranty and was hoping it will die right after the default warranty. The sales rep told me that I will get a new laptop even if the dvd rom breaks. I believed I was a smart buyer at the time until the extended warranty expires...Yea exactly.
I have lost two cards to bumpgate. Thing is, I have used both without a problem for about 2 years, before they died.
After about 2 years, you are more or less expecting such hardware to break down anyway. Wouldn't be the first time a videocard broke down on me. Wouldn't be the quickest either (that record is held by a Radeon 9600Pro, which crapped out after about 3 months).
In my case it meant that I had to upgrade a few months before I actually planned. I wanted ride out my 8800GTS320 until the Fermi release... although it was already a bit long in the tooth. It didn't make it that far, so I bought an HD5770 instead. In retrospect I shouldn't have had to wait for Fermi anyway, I'd probably still would have gotten a Radeon at that point... Either that, or waited for the GTX460, which I have now.
I'm not really bothered... the card had already served its purpose, and I was in 'bonus time'. I enjoyed the heck out of it while it lasted.
When i brought my laptop, I also also brought extended warranty and was hoping it will die right after the default warranty. The sales rep told me that I will get a new laptop even if the dvd rom breaks. I believed I was a smart buyer at the time until the extended warranty expires...
I have let it run for days, I have play games with it. I have even put in a database and a application server on it, but other than it runs slow, nothing else happened. I even ran off trying to overclock it, but other than artifacts, it doesn't die.
It has been 6 years now...
I should have phrased it slightly differently.
Its not that I am more annoyed because I own AMD hardware, its just that I am more aware of their poor practices. The way they acted with regards to PhysX & artificially limiting it in peoples systems is out of line imo. I don't need to reiterate all the things that nVidia has done in the last two years - these reasons are one of the primary reasons why I choose to go with AMD this time.
When i brought my laptop, I also also brought extended warranty and was hoping it will die right after the default warranty. The sales rep told me that I will get a new laptop even if the dvd rom breaks. I believed I was a smart buyer at the time until the extended warranty expires...
I have let it run for days, I have play games with it. I have even put in a database and a application server on it, but other than it runs slow, nothing else happened. I even ran off trying to overclock it, but other than artifacts, it doesn't die.
It has been 6 years now... stuck with a single core CPU, a 128mb video card and a wireless G...
If that sounds like a robust laptop, then check out the one my boss brought. He put it on the driveway, forgot and ran over it with a rav 4. The screen broke, but surprisingly, it still works with a external monitor. It is older than my laptop and is still running somewhere in the office. Everyone wants it to die, but it just doesn't. We put it under a table no airflow, and it still won't die...
If Nvidia would collaborate with ATI - or even just stop open hostilities, for starters - it would be SO MUCH better for PC gaming as a whole and ultimately for Nvidia too, in the long-term. Fact.
No point, just sharing some experience of mine. I do agree with you on how not to take hardware's reliability for granted.What is your point though?
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Great thread btw...
For example, NV locking physX out of a system with an ATI card is SO petty, Nvidia seems like a spoilt child throwing its rattle out of the pram, Nvidia really needs to grow up. It would be like Valve banning any games by Bioware or Blizzard or Bethesda or any other developer from being sold on Steam (except Valve would never do that because Valve is not like Nvidia). Valve cares about PC Gaming and itself (hint hint NV, it is possible to do both).
Me along with alot of other I'm sure would like to see nvidia's offer of physX. With the terms and conditions as presented to ATI at the time.
Get your facts straight. AMD does NOT sponsor Charlie. Period. If you knew anything about pay per click and pay per view banners, it would be obvious to you. Charlie runs ads he wants to run, and no surprise he runs AMD centric banners. But AMD does not pay Charlie anything.AMD have Charlie - he quite clearly shows massive bias against nvidia, well bias isn't strong enough, he shows hate, and is quite clearly paid by AMD via adverts on his site. If AMD were above board they wouldn't sponsor Charlie.
Beyond3D and a few others, Charlie does reveal who he is. And if he doesn't reveal who he really is in some cases, how do you know it is him? And what member here is actually Charlie in disguise? What is their user name?Charlie is known to be on many forums, always uses another alias and mostly doesn't reveal who he really is, he is almost certainly present here.
Stop making BS up, cripes.However to even use Charlie in any nvidia vs ati thread is viral marketing by AMD in action and working.
The way bumpgate has been handled is atrocious. Even if you get your laptop repaired, you get the same defective GPU/motherboard all over again. It's going to fail down the road because the actual issue was not fixed. A faster spinning fan only delays the inevitable. This is why class action lawsuits happen. I have seen quite a number of people extremely turned off to Nvidia products because their laptop died (and died again) and there is no proper fix, except to replace the entire unit.I think you have to be pretty warped in the head if you think that nVidia deliberately caused bumpgate.
I think nVidia handled the situation quite well, they put money aside to compensate their customers.
AMD dropped the ball for sure, and it cost them dearly, in reputation and sales. But I believe you are incorrect that AMD never offered a replacement. Pretty sure if you experienced the bug and did not want to only do a bios patch, AMD would replace the processor free of charge (this was mainly to corporate customers, end users rarely if ever saw the actual problem happen). That does not absolve AMD from any responsibility, they should have never released a bugged product like that in the first place.Fast-forward to AMD's Barcelona architecture. Whoops, again a bug related to memory addressing... this time the TLB was broken. Did AMD recall the CPUs? Nope.
Ask the guys over at NGOHQ.
Here is a very good place to start your quest.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nvidia-Helps-Porting-PhysX-on-Radeon-89601.shtml
Yeah, that's the type of bullcrap that was debunked already -the part were some guys from the corner was requesting access to low-level architectural secrets was an absurd joke.
It was a pretty lame PR hoax by NV, nothing else - if you need any proof then consider this: why NV rejected ATI when THEY said they will do it?
It was pure BS, typical NV style PR stunt that didn't even work (sans people with little or no technical understanding.)
And thats the point. nVidia wasnt replacing anything or taking blame until a lawsuit was won against them. Thats not taking care of your customer. Plain and simple.Yea well, nVidia didn't do that on purpose.
It's not like nVidia's chips are the only reason laptops would ever break down.
I have plenty of broken unfixable hardware that doesn't have an nVidia chip on it.
These things just happen. That's not the point. The point is how you deal with it when it does.
Yeah, that's the type of bullcrap that was debunked already -the part were some guys from the corner was requesting access to low-level architectural secrets was an absurd joke.
It was a pretty lame PR hoax by NV, nothing else - if you need any proof then consider this: why NV rejected ATI when THEY said they will do it?
It was pure BS, typical NV style PR stunt that didn't even work (sans people with little or no technical understanding.)
I may be wrong, but I didn't see anything that confirmed that Nv started it, but if you have something I would like to see it as I may be wrong like I said.
Anyway, judging by SirPauly's Xbit link, it looks like ATI probably was guilty here as well.....
Yeah, that's the type of bullcrap that was debunked already -the part were some guys from the corner was requesting access to low-level architectural secrets was an absurd joke.
It was a pretty lame PR hoax by NV, nothing else - if you need any proof then consider this: why NV rejected ATI when THEY said they will do it?
It was pure BS, typical NV style PR stunt that didn't even work (sans people with little or no technical understanding.)
I think its quite funny how so many people are getting riled up over the most evil company for their questionable antic, when really, neither is a patch on the US govt and what it gets up to in the name of the American people.
AFAIC, either company can do as it likes with its intellectual property. Hundreds of software house make unilateral decisions and changes to their software with upgrades as even as the consumer buys it, the software house still own the product. On this note, I have no problem with PhyX and the previous hardware card (Agrea?) and stopping the product from working should ATi be the primary card. Neither with Batman AA as they did the code. ATi\AMD needs to start doing software stuff itself like its great eye-infinity product.
Anyway just IMHO....
And thats the point. nVidia wasnt replacing anything or taking blame until a lawsuit was won against them. Thats not taking care of your customer. Plain and simple.