Thousands of Marines face involuntary recalls

[JEDI]

Stop loss..

Holy crap for volunteering to help out your country.

you just entered into Slavery :Q

 

[straightalker]

Originally posted by: JEDI
Stop loss..

Holy crap for volunteering to help out your country.

you just entered into Slavery :Q

The USA/Israeli/British Military Industrial Complex that own these three respective Governments, HAVE AN AGENDA.

These involuntary recalls for further servitude is for no good reason, as can plainly be seen in the Neo-Fascist agendas described above.

The average high school kid has no idea what's really going on. They think they will do their Country a service by joining the USA Armed Forces, but that's only partly true. The USA does need a strong National defense, but the Neo-Fascist war doctrine of the current occupants of the WhiteHouse has turned that upside down on it's head. Service to Country is service to the Regime in power who uses the USA Military in unauthorized UnConstitutional wars of pure aggression.

Iran is next on the AGENDA. The latest news on that is Cheney in a recent secret meeting called the Israli invasion of Lebanon a "curtain call" for the attack on Iran and so Cheney encouraged the Lebanon invasion to go forward immedietely. The alleged 2 capture Israeli soldiers that started this 33-day war were inside Lebaneses territory when they were apprehended by Lebanon's resisdent guerilla forces known as Hezbollah. But the lie was cooked up and sold that Hezbollah snatched the two Israeli soldiers in Israel, ...just to get the war started at the right time for Cheney to fit within his planning for attacking Iran.

Forcing Marines and other servicemen and women back into a war footing involuntarily is just part of Cheney's buildup in preparation for the coming nuclear war on Iran. That is the concensus held among most observers regarding all these preparations.

What has me especially worried is having so many of our USA soldiers within range of Iran's thousands of Chinese and Russian imported surface-to-surface missiles that can strike the American bases in the region. Potentially killing and crippling tens of thousands of our Nation's finest.

It ought not to happen i know. But it's what happens after the year 2000 coup which installed the "crazzies" in power. Israel first! Israel hates Iran. The use of American soldiers and hardware to settle that hatred is much of what this is ALL ABOUT.

 

[Craig234]

sorry bud, thats not why Im in the Army... and im not a kid either....

well, bud, if neither money nor a vague patriotism is your reason, you're unusual. I agree that some are outside the two main groups.

And of course not all are kids, but many are, and kids are the most susceptible to BS seducing them to kill for others, for whatever real reasons.

Older people who do - some are the same, some are career military, some just drank the kool-aid.

There's a reason Thomas Jefferson said that a standing military was incompatible with democracy, why Lincoln warned of the president being too easily able to use it.

You have agreed to let the government decide for you who you should kill. To my view, that is an immoral abdication of responsibility when absent a Hitler-like threat.

I'll make exceptions for a small force for protection, but beyond that, I see it as a tragic folly that leads to unnecessary suffering no matter how good the motives of the soldiers.

They say it's hard for a man to understand something his income needs him not to understand. That's a dangerous truism for a military man.

Questioning the morality of the use of force is not good for business, and it's pretty difficult to do in a culture built around the readiness to do so.

 

[GrGr]

Bush just said that Iraq had "nothing" to do with 9/11.

Now why is the US in Iraq again? Why has the US put the blight of war on people who had nothing to do with 9/11 and for what political agenda are Americans being "stoplossed"?

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Bush just said that Iraq had "nothing" to do with 9/11.

That's just the meme for this week. They'll be right back to the IRAQ...911...AL QAEDA..TERRA-TERRA-TERRA message in a couple of days.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: GrGr
Bush just said that Iraq had "nothing" to do with 9/11.

That's just the meme for this week. They'll be right back to the IRAQ...911...AL QAEDA..TERRA-TERRA-TERRA message in a couple of days.

Considering he tried to make the insinuation just before, but a reporter called him on it, yeah, pretty much.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: GrGr
Bush just said that Iraq had "nothing" to do with 9/11.

That's just the meme for this week. They'll be right back to the IRAQ...911...AL QAEDA..TERRA-TERRA-TERRA message in a couple of days.

Considering he tried to make the insinuation just before, but a reporter called him on it, yeah, pretty much.

Yes, you are correct. I heard the same interview. He started squeezing out the standard "9/11 attack justifies the Iraq war" loaf, and got stopped butt-cold.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: straightalker

Originally posted by: JEDI
Stop loss..

Holy crap for volunteering to help out your country.

you just entered into Slavery :Q

The USA/Israeli/British Military Industrial Complex that own these three respective Governments, HAVE AN AGENDA.

These involuntary recalls for further servitude is for no good reason, as can plainly be seen in the Neo-Fascist agendas described above.

The average high school kid has no idea what's really going on. They think they will do their Country a service by joining the USA Armed Forces, but that's only partly true. The USA does need a strong National defense, but the Neo-Fascist war doctrine of the current occupants of the WhiteHouse has turned that upside down on it's head. Service to Country is service to the Regime in power who uses the USA Military in unauthorized UnConstitutional wars of pure aggression.

Iran is next on the AGENDA. The latest news on that is Cheney in a recent secret meeting called the Israli invasion of Lebanon a "curtain call" for the attack on Iran and so Cheney encouraged the Lebanon invasion to go forward immedietely. The alleged 2 capture Israeli soldiers that started this 33-day war were inside Lebaneses territory when they were apprehended by Lebanon's resisdent guerilla forces known as Hezbollah. But the lie was cooked up and sold that Hezbollah snatched the two Israeli soldiers in Israel, ...just to get the war started at the right time for Cheney to fit within his planning for attacking Iran.

Forcing Marines and other servicemen and women back into a war footing involuntarily is just part of Cheney's buildup in preparation for the coming nuclear war on Iran. That is the concensus held among most observers regarding all these preparations.

What has me especially worried is having so many of our USA soldiers within range of Iran's thousands of Chinese and Russian imported surface-to-surface missiles that can strike the American bases in the region. Potentially killing and crippling tens of thousands of our Nation's finest.

It ought not to happen i know. But it's what happens after the year 2000 coup which installed the "crazzies" in power. Israel first! Israel hates Iran. The use of American soldiers and hardware to settle that hatred is much of what this is ALL ABOUT.

thanks for the link the wacko , way-biased, conspiracy website :roll:....

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Craig234

sorry bud, thats not why Im in the Army... and im not a kid either....

well, bud, if neither money nor a vague patriotism is your reason, you're unusual. I agree that some are outside the two main groups.

And of course not all are kids, but many are, and kids are the most susceptible to BS seducing them to kill for others, for whatever real reasons.

Older people who do - some are the same, some are career military, some just drank the kool-aid.

There's a reason Thomas Jefferson said that a standing military was incompatible with democracy, why Lincoln warned of the president being too easily able to use it.

You have agreed to let the government decide for you who you should kill. To my view, that is an immoral abdication of responsibility when absent a Hitler-like threat.

I'll make exceptions for a small force for protection, but beyond that, I see it as a tragic folly that leads to unnecessary suffering no matter how good the motives of the soldiers.

They say it's hard for a man to understand something his income needs him not to understand. That's a dangerous truism for a military man.

Questioning the morality of the use of force is not good for business, and it's pretty difficult to do in a culture built around the readiness to do so.

First of all, if a solider really did not agree with the actions they are about to do, ort be deployed toa particual warzone they are about to go to, THERE are ways of getting out of it, Consenious objector etc..... if a solider really didnt agree and didnt want to go, he could backdorr himself out.... why he joined i nthe first place boggles my mind.... Id say roughly 99% of those dont have any problem doing what they got to do in thier job, or "for thier country". Yes a vast majority dont want to leave home.... who wants to leave wife, kids, the bar, weekends sitting at the beach? no one, but it comes with the job. I know about 99% of those I serve with in my unit, wouldnt think twice about shooting someone right between the eyes when they took one, poorly aimed way over the head shot, at any one in our unit.... no matter who he is or where he is from, we dont care about the politics, we care about each other... cause we are in the ****** together...at least thats how it is in a combat unit in the army...

And 2nd...your comment about income? whats that suppose to mean? I can sense your an educated man as I am, but that comment is just bleeding ignorace to me. Just cause someone is in the military doesnt mean they are not well off... I serve with 2 individuals who are multi millionaires in thier mid 30's, and have reupped their contracts both, post war.... so to think people do it for the money...is crazy.... military pay is ok, if you have a family and no education and are young it can be better than someone of similar age

and belive it or not...some people just wanna serve in the most powerful, most advanced military on the planet, some people jus twant to serve.... some people come from other countries, ( iknow one Lituanian) to serve in THIS army (and they get citizenship). its not all about the money, or this blind patritism you talk of...soldiers arent dumb, they see what isa going on in politics, they know all the BS, but when you go over there, and you have to a do a job, thinking about the politics, or all the pissing on the mission so many people do, it makes it EVEN harder to do that HARD a$$ mission we have over there.....hell, it makes some people not care....just because of all the piss on Iraq BS that goes on....

you honestly think every solider thinks bush and the admin is god??? hell no, we all joke up and down about everything that goes on.... but we have ajob to do...and no one wants to be a part of the Army that couldn't do it..... even though all the "piss on Iraq bums" are making it harder and harder to do everyday

yeah, its messed up over there, yeah its a hard mission, but put some boots on and come help out, or shut the hell up, i dont need anyone pulling this "its not fair for the soliders" crap either.... i dont need pity for my job, i knew what i was getting into when I signed up....and why you may not believe so, most new recruites do to.....

 

[Todd33]

but put some boots on and come help out, or shut the hell up

Pathetic. We are all Americans and pay taxes, we have the same right as some right wing grunt to our opinion of our nation's foreign policy or lack there of. As your employer, get to work and stop posting crap.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Todd33

but put some boots on and come help out, or shut the hell up

Pathetic. We are all Americans and pay taxes, we have the same right as some right wing grunt to our opinion of our nation's foreign policy or lack there of. As your employer, get to work and stop posting crap.

I agree, people sahould voice thier opinion, but there is a point where the voiceing of the opinion starts to reach its pinnacle, and it no longer helps to change or imporve the mission, but hinder it....thats what I am referring too...

and im not a right wing grunt, im a moderate...

 

[apologetic]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Craig234
" Even though it's what they signed up for, it still sucks. "

Not as bad for the people who get killed by the troops.

We have got to find a way to make war harder, where you can't just send kids who are seduced by the money and/or vague patriotism turn over their moral responsibility about who to kill to a government who is pressured to use the military for largely purposes of economic and power gains to kill the poor suckers who are in the way resisting.

Actually, I consider it Darwin's theory at work with the kids that go there...

I think you just insulted every volunteer active member of our military. Nice one. :|