Thought's on the LG V20?

pauldun170

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I've never owned an LG and I've heard mixed reviews on their phones in general. From the boot loop problem on g4\V10's to poor quality to screens.

I've heard that battery life on the V10 sucked. If that's true, I'm guessing the V20 will continue that tradition if its using a 3200 battery to push a 5.7 inch screen.

How is LG with updates? Better or worse than Samsung?
 

core2slow

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5.7in QHD, pushing 513ppi, 3200mah battery. That's LG in a nutshell.

I couldn't care less if they stuck an SD821 in there,have 6gb of RAM, pico projector, etc., the fundamental basic of actually USING your phone is prohibited by the fact that you're glued to a charger every 3-4hr or carry a powerbank around with you.
 

dainthomas

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5.7in QHD, pushing 513ppi, 3200mah battery. That's LG in a nutshell.

I couldn't care less if they stuck an SD821 in there,have 6gb of RAM, pico projector, etc., the fundamental basic of actually USING your phone is prohibited by the fact that you're glued to a charger every 3-4hr or carry a powerbank around with you.

Why would you be glued to a charger when you can just pop in a spare battery?
 

Oyeve

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If the sound quality on the lgv20 dac is better than the one in the lgv10 then I am very interested in it. The lgv10 has the best sound output of ANY phone ever created. If I didnt hate its ips panel I would still be using mine today.
 

KingstonU

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I am quite impressed with this phone thus far actually. I am shocked that I had never heard of the V10 until just now because of the hype around the V20! (turns out because the V10 was never sold in Canada)

I don't care if the battery is tiny so long as it is removable. One of the first things I will do after I buy the phone is spend $50 to get a 9000 mAh battery replacement and just use that instead. This guarantees that this device will give me ample battery life for several years as opposed to most phones who's batteries become crap that it's unusable after just 1-1.5 years (as all batteries degrade).

Thus far here is my stance:

Pros:

- 5.7" screen = Perfect!
- Flat screen with no curved edge = Perfect!
- Gorilla Glass 4 = Perfect! ( I prefer this to GG5 which is more scratch prone )
- Removable Battery = AMAZING! HUGE WIN!
- Expandable MicroSD Slot = Perfect!
- Wide Angle front and rear cameras = AMAZING!
- Military Grade Shock Proof = Perfect!
- 3.5mm headphone jack = Perfect!
- Android 7.0 Nougat right away = Perfect!

Cons:
- Not IP67 or IP68 waterproof = Boo
- IPS display = Boo, I prefer AMOLED
- No mention if Google Day Dream certified or not - Suspecting not.
- Fingerprint sensor on the back = Sigh, slightly prefer it on the front
- I don't think there is any Force Touch / 3D Touch features?
- No capacitive menu + home + back buttons = Boo as I prefer those to the on screen ones.
- Internal hardware is S820 with 4GB of RAM, nothing earth-shattering at this point but is standard for highest end Androids for 2016. 1H 2017 we'll see S830 and 6GB ram.
 
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KingstonU

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Glued to charger vs glued to spare battery.
Your still glued to something.

Not True, just pop in a bigger battery that you can get for $50. I have on my Galaxy S3 and it has been the single best hardware upgrade I have ever made and allowed me to be happy with this device for 4 years!
 

core2slow

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Not True, just pop in a bigger battery that you can get for $50. I have on my Galaxy S3 and it has been the single best hardware upgrade I have ever made and allowed me to be happy with this device for 4 years!
LOL! You're not going to get a bigger battery for $50, champ. We've all gone down the road back in the days with chinese knockoffs that was wrongfully advertised as "big" battery when in actuality it was OEM spec (or less).
 

KingstonU

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LOL! You're not going to get a bigger battery for $50, champ. We've all gone down the road back in the days with chinese knockoffs that was wrongfully advertised as "big" battery when in actuality it was OEM spec (or less).
You clearly have never tried them then. My ZeroLemon 7000 mAh battery for my GS3 has been flawless and was $50. Feel free to google them or check Amazon as well as many other companies that do this.

Only downside as they make your phone thicker and heavier, which I don't care about at all. In fact most modern phones are too thin for what I consider ideal comfort in hand.

Link to an example of 9,000 mAh for the V10 for $60: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018TP3XGK
And another for $40 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IUBG5PE/ref=pd_cp_0_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=710NMPVG670VA68EQWPC

Note that this is a better and more elegant solution than "battery cases" as well. (Battery cases are really annoying to use as you effectively have 2 batteries to worry about.)

You can even get them as large as 10,000 mAh if you really need your phone to last a week on one charge.
 
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sweenish

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I personally the idea of always having to tote multiple batteries as a solution ridiculous. Aside from the dedicated daily carry space, you now have to charge multiple batteries per day. And that's done through your phone, I assume? It's not like Energizer sells a charging enclosure for cell phone batteries.

I also find ZeroLemon and their ilk to be horribly ugly and bulky to the point that they hinder daily use. And looking at the 6P one that came out recently, you're also gimping your phone's performance by further insulating the SoCs. They'll run hotter quicker and stay hot longer. There's some merit to the smaller extended battery cases, they don't bother me as much.

To each their own, but I'd rather just have a larger battery in the phone itself, at the cost of a mm or two. If it's user-replaceable, all the better. So for example, if I were to buy this phone, I would just buy a replacement battery in a couple years and do a permanent swap at that point. But the capacity given should be able to easily go through a day of medium to high usage.
 

KingstonU

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I personally the idea of always having to tote multiple batteries as a solution ridiculous....

I also find ZeroLemon and their ilk to be horribly ugly and bulky to the point that they hinder daily use. And looking at the 6P one that came out recently, you're also gimping your phone's performance by further insulating the SoCs. They'll run hotter quicker and stay hot longer. There's some merit to the smaller extended battery cases, they don't bother me as much.

To each their own, but I'd rather just have a larger battery in the phone itself, at the cost of a mm or two. If it's user-replaceable, all the better. So for example, if I were to buy this phone, I would just buy a replacement battery in a couple years and do a permanent swap at that point. But the capacity given should be able to easily go through a day of medium to high usage.

I agree that lugging around multiple batteries that you swap out is not a sensible solution for me either.

The ZeroLemon, to be clear is not a Battery "CASE", those are really annoying as well. It replaces your existing battery and back cover with a bigger, thicker battery and new back back cover. No problems with usability or heat with mine. I suppose there can certainly be some very cheap chinese options out there that are lower quality though.

Would I prefer that my phone simply come with a 5,000 mAh battery built in? Yes, yes I would. And I would be completely ok with it being several mm thicker and heavier. After a couple days you do not notice this anymore. But phone makers will never do this because they want people to keep buying new phones every 1-2 years. Look how many years it took them to go from 1,000 mAh to today's 3,500 mAh!
 

core2slow

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You clearly have never tried them then. My ZeroLemon 7000 mAh battery for my GS3 has been flawless and was $50. Feel free to google them or check Amazon as well as many other companies that do this.

Only downside as they make your phone thicker and heavier, which I don't care about at all. In fact most modern phones are too thin for what I consider ideal comfort in hand.

Link to an example of 9,000 mAh for the V10 for $60: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018TP3XGK
And another for $40 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IUBG5PE/ref=pd_cp_0_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=710NMPVG670VA68EQWPC

Note that this is a better and more elegant solution than "battery cases" as well. (Battery cases are really annoying to use as you effectively have 2 batteries to worry about.)

You can even get them as large as 10,000 mAh if you really need your phone to last a week on one charge.
Curious to see your screen on time (SOT) with those cheapo batteries...
 

sweenish

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I agree that lugging around multiple batteries that you swap out is not a sensible solution for me either.

The ZeroLemon, to be clear is not a Battery "CASE", those are really annoying as well. It replaces your existing battery and back cover with a bigger, thicker battery and new back back cover. No problems with usability or heat with mine. I suppose there can certainly be some very cheap chinese options out there that are lower quality though.

Would I prefer that my phone simply come with a 5,000 mAh battery built in? Yes, yes I would. And I would be completely ok with it being several mm thicker and heavier. After a couple days you do not notice this anymore. But phone makers will never do this because they want people to keep buying new phones every 1-2 years. Look how many years it took them to go from 1,000 mAh to today's 3,500 mAh!

The ZeroLemon is not a case, depending on the model of phone. I referenced the 6P one. It is a case. I've seen very few ZeroLemon's that weren't forced to wrap around the front just to hold the battery in place. But I also haven't bothered looking very hard.
 

Zaap

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I personally the idea of always having to tote multiple batteries as a solution ridiculous. Aside from the dedicated daily carry space, you now have to charge multiple batteries per day. And that's done through your phone, I assume? It's not like Energizer sells a charging enclosure for cell phone batteries.
No, you don't charge an external battery with the phone, that'd be silly and pointless. The whole point is that you don't have to tether the phone. Many external batteries are sold with the charger, or you get one for like $6 off ebay. The spent battery you take out of the phone, you put in the charger.

I've always laughed at the hoops I've seen people jump through in place of this silly idea that an extra battery is a huge burden- as compared to: tethering a mobile device to something for hours (gee, it's NOT mobile anymore!) carrying around an external charger that's 4x the size of an extra internal battery, HUGE honking battery cases (that also have to be tethered to charge), and the old standby: wishing for a phone with stats that don't exist. (If only it had a 7500mAh....!!!)

Of all these 'alternatives', in my experience a simple removable battery is the most logical, least hassle, and actually befits a MOBILE device.
 

dainthomas

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I personally the idea of always having to tote multiple batteries as a solution ridiculous. Aside from the dedicated daily carry space, you now have to charge multiple batteries per day. And that's done through your phone, I assume? It's not like Energizer sells a charging enclosure for cell phone batteries.

I had a cradle with my Note 4 that would charge my phone and a spare battery overnight. Never had to plug my phone in during the day, would just have to swap out the battery which normally took less than 30 seconds.
 

KingstonU

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Curious to see your screen on time (SOT) with those cheapo batteries...
I first got it was when my stock GS3's 2,100 mAh battery (which when it was brand new lasted nearly 2 days), but after going on 2 yearshad degraded (as all cellphone batteries do) to the point where it would only last a few hours.

Then I found these ZeroLemon (and others) that actually replace your stock battery and it was 7,000 mAh for $50 and it lasted 7 days with moderate usage. Today, 2 years later, that battery has degraded as well and now lasts 2 days with moderate use. Which I am still thrilled with as this $50 investment made my phone remain usable and satisfying for 4 years as opposed to 2 years.

There are plenty of Screen On Time screenshots of these batteries in various reviews.
 

sweenish

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No, you don't charge an external battery with the phone, that'd be silly and pointless. The whole point is that you don't have to tether the phone. Many external batteries are sold with the charger, or you get one for like $6 off ebay. The spent battery you take out of the phone, you put in the charger.

I've always laughed at the hoops I've seen people jump through in place of this silly idea that an extra battery is a huge burden- as compared to: tethering a mobile device to something for hours (gee, it's NOT mobile anymore!) carrying around an external charger that's 4x the size of an extra internal battery, HUGE honking battery cases (that also have to be tethered to charge), and the old standby: wishing for a phone with stats that don't exist. (If only it had a 7500mAh....!!!)

Of all these 'alternatives', in my experience a simple removable battery is the most logical, least hassle, and actually befits a MOBILE device.

Good to know you don't have swap batteries back into the phone to charge them.

As for the rest, you're just putting words into my mouth. While not denying that carrying around extra batteries is extra daily carry space.

Your counter arguments were not presented by myself or anyone else in this thread, and they are also moot in light of technologies like QC, USB-PD, and wireless charging (for those with a desk job). You may have your use case, and it may suit you, but your defense is laughable. Just say it suits you and leave it at that. I can't argue that it doesn't suit you. But all this other garbage you posted is ripe.

The solution that fits a mobile device is, in my opinion, larger batteries in the phones at the cost of a mm or two in thickness that can easily go a day with medium to high usage. Sound familiar? You seemed to gloss over it when I said it the first time. At no point did I state any of what you're arguing against. And what cheapo charger are you using that you're tethered for hours? QC takes your phone from near dead to nearly topped in 15 minutes. Even my Nexus 5 does great with just 30 minutes of juice. Longer than a battery swap, but not hours. And who doesn't have that kind of downtime during the day?

With that said, we do have a battery pack for travel. Why should I have to shut down my phone, swap the batteries, stow the dead one, and restart my phone when I can just plug it in and leave it alone for a while? (I find the 30 second number garbage, phones take almost that amount of time just to start up again) Granted, my wife carries the battery pack in her purse. Worst case, I don't have my phone for 30 minutes. The horror. Works for us, and it can charge both of our phones at the same time. We didn't buy a massive pack, probably a mid-sized one. It could fully (0 - 100%) charge one of our phones 4-6 times over, plenty for any kind of travel where we don't have easy access to another power source. I have a hard time imagining it taking up much more space than the equivalent amount of spare batteries and an extra charger.

At the end of the day, I gave my ideal view of a thing. Just because you don't share it doesn't mean I think you're stupid or wrong. I mean, I think less of you now after all the drivel you posted. But I wasn't saying that people who swapped batteries are idiots.
 

Zaap

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^ Damn dude, personalize things much?

A little reading comprehension goes a LONG way, try it sometime. I said "I've seen people..." jump through these logic hoops to justify a weird (and usually illogical) dislike of removable batteries, I didn't say YOU just said that.

I responded to your speculating that anyone would have to use the phone itself to charge an extra battery, to the idea that you "HAVE TO" charge/carry around 'multiple batteries" etc. as I quoted.

Do you HAVE TO charge/carry around multiple external chargers for your phone?
 
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Not happy with LG. My G4, which I love, is at the LG repair center for going on 3 weeks now. It went dead with the infamous bootloop. They said it needed a new motherboard which is not available until the 15th of this month. Going to be without a phone for a full month. Their customer service is atrocious. Indian call center that is no help. Luckily my work supplies me a work phone or I'd have to go buy another phone.
 

KingstonU

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I am going to have to google this "bootloop" issue as I've seen in mentioned in a few comments over the last few days.
 
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It sounds interesting but non-OLED is a non-starter for me. I like the V10, but was immediately disappointed in the display compared to the Note 3 I had been using (even brightness wise, I had always had the Note 3 at the 2nd to lowest brightness setting and the mode that gave the most accurate colors, so it wasn't because I had gotten used to the super oversaturated colors).

The design of the 20 doesn't look better to me, but is ok. Can't believe they didn't go OLED, especially with the 2nd display aspect. I like that they kept the ability to swap batteries, although I'd prefer just a bigger battery and water resistance. Cameras seem like an improvement. And like that they're working to improve the already good audio output.

For the most part I've liked the V10, but its been too much of a mixed bag for me to consider the V20 without OLED.
 

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Only downside as they make your phone thicker and heavier, which I don't care about at all. In fact most modern phones are too thin for what I consider ideal comfort in hand.

I like phones thicker and consider the increased size a bonus. If I was really concerned about weight I'd skip a meal.
 

DeathReborn

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I have heard that the screen is still quite poor, seems LG still haven't learned anything on that front if true.