Thoughts on the Intel Celeron G1610?

[VirtualLarry]

It should be nearly 30% faster for $20 more. I think it even comes with the new instructions Haswell has according to techpowerup.
http://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/1636/pentium-g3220.html

I think that TechPowerUP is being a bit optimistic. CPU-world.com only lists SSE4.1/4.2, no AVX, no AVX2, and no AES-NI.

 

[Haserath]

I think that TechPowerUP is being a bit optimistic. CPU-world.com only lists SSE4.1/4.2, no AVX, no AVX2, and no AES-NI.

Yeah. The ark page shows the instructions aren't there so nvm.

 

[SPBHM]

I was looking at some review of the i3 4130 yesterday and they claim the HD4400 have 16 EUs, which is a little confusing, I thought it was only 10-20-40.

http://www.inpai.com.cn/doc/hard/198653.htm

also it's clearly faster than the HD4000 (16EUs and higher clock),

 

[UaVaj]

back to the op's question.

560ti 448 is essentially a 570 that just did not make the 570 cut.
G1610 is no slouch, however it is the wrong cpu for a 570. there will be cpu bottlenecks during cpu intensive games (sc2, civil, dota2).

a sandy bridge i3 or ivy bridge i3 is more suitable. at minimum a first gen i3.

 

[seitur]

a sandy bridge i3 or ivy bridge i3 is more suitable. at minimum a first gen i3.

Ivy or Haswell Pentium will have better single core performance than first gen i3.

 

[desura]

Option 2 for the build is an itx amd A10 6800k with a watercooling setup for some amusing overclocks.

I'm lobbying for that, but my friend is non-commital.

 

[crashtech]

Option 2 for the build is an itx amd A10 6800k with a watercooling setup for some amusing overclocks.

I'm lobbying for that, but my friend is non-commital.

Richland does have the best IPC of all AMD CPUs, but a 6300 would normally be chosen for this kind of build.

 

[UaVaj]

Ivy or Haswell Pentium will have better single core performance than first gen i3.

given first gen i3 can easily hit 3.5ghz near default voltage and 4.0ghz at safe voltage. at such speed. ipc is onpar/surpass SB i3 or IVB i3. both which are poor overclocker.

if oc-ing. first gen i3 is a solid alternative for 560ti448.

 

[crashtech]

given first gen i3 can easily hit 3.5ghz near default voltage and 4.0ghz at safe voltage. at such speed. ipc is onpar/surpass SB i3 or IVB i3...

That's an interesting assertion, can you link to a source?

 

[Torn Mind]

Single core performance is the product of IPC and clockspeed. The way to test IPC is to make clockspeed between CPUs and as many other components between two systems identical or as close to identical as possible and the measure the discrepancy.

 

[crashtech]

That was an improper use of the term that I did not catch, but the inferred meaning is that a cranked up i3-550 can beat an i3-3245. I don't think so, but let's see the proof.

Going to Passmark, we see that the single threaded score of the i3-550 @ 3.2GHz is 1304. Assuming perfect scaling, its single-threaded score @ 4.0GHz would be 1630.

The single-threaded score of the i3-3245 is 1861.

 

[UaVaj]

i3-560 @ 3.33GHz and i3-3220 @ 3.3GHz

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/362/Intel_Core_i3_i3-3220_vs_Intel_Core_i3_i3-560.html
single threaded = 1 vs 1.16 (16% difference)

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-560-vs-Intel-Core-i3-3220
single core = 8.1 vs 8.9 (10% difference)

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adjust for an 800MHz (24%) oc on the i3-560 and adjust 200MHz (6%) oc on the i3-3220.
not hard to see how i3-560 stacks up with i3-3220.

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i3-560 @ 3.33GHz for ~$65 on fleabay. buy-it-now for ~$75.
i3-3220 @ 3.5Ghz for $130 on egg.

for someone on a tight budget. first gen i3 is a nice alternative.

choices choices choices

 

[crashtech]

for someone on a tight budget. first gen i3 is a nice alternative.

Even if we were to stipulate that an i3-560 could achieve close to parity with an i3-3220 through luck, diligence, and a decent cooler, such advice would saddle the unsuspecting with a blind alley called LGA1156.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Even if we were to stipulate that an i3-560 could achieve close to parity with an i3-3220 through luck, diligence, and a decent cooler, such advice would saddle the unsuspecting with a blind alley called LGA1156.

When i5 750s go for $80 used, that alley doesn't look too bad.

 

[SPBHM]

Even if we were to stipulate that an i3-560 could achieve close to parity with an i3-3220 through luck, diligence, and a decent cooler, such advice would saddle the unsuspecting with a blind alley called LGA1156.

yes... just for fun I researched some "cinebench 11.5" results (easy to find and correlate to other things I think, from different sources, so give a comfortable margin of error)

i3 530 2.93GHz ($120 in 2010) 2.45
i3 2100 3.10GHz ($120 in 2011) 3.00
i3 3220 3.30GHz ($120 in 2012) 3.31
i3 4130 3.40GHz ($130 in 2013) 3.73
i3 540 at 4.77GHz 3.89
i3 540 at 3.96GHz 3.13

doesn't look like the old i3 is that attractive compared to newer ones for this...

 

[UaVaj]

Even if we were to stipulate that an i3-560 could achieve close to parity with an i3-3220 through luck, diligence, and a decent cooler, such advice would saddle the unsuspecting with a blind alley called LGA1156.

did not quite understand your post #22. now post #38. do clarify your cpu recommendation for mating with a 560ti448?

are you are suggesting
a G1610 with a LGA1155 6/7 Series MB
over
a i3-560 with a LGA1156 5 Series MB
or
something else?

 

[UaVaj]

yes... just for fun I researched some "cinebench 11.5" results (easy to find and correlate to other things I think, from different sources, so give a comfortable margin of error)

i3 530 2.93GHz ($120 in 2010) 2.45 ($65 used in 2013) 2.45/65 = 0.37
i3 2100 3.10GHz ($120 in 2011) 3.00 ($85 used in 2013) 3.00/85 = 0.35
i3 3220 3.30GHz ($120 in 2012) 3.31 ($95 used in 2013) 3.31/95 = 0.35
i3 4130 3.40GHz ($130 in 2013) 3.73 ($130 new in 2013) 3.73/130 = 0.29
i3 540 at 4.77GHz 3.89 ($65 used in 2013) 3.89/65 = 0.59
i3 540 at 3.96GHz 3.13 ($65 used in 2013) 3.13/65 = 0.48

doesn't look like the old i3 is that attractive compared to newer ones for this...

comparing launch prices - you are correct.
comparing current prices (since there is no going back in time) - you are in left field.

given those scores. a first gen i3 with safe overclock (4GHz) hang nicely between SB and IVB in term of overall performance.

 

[SPBHM]

comparing launch prices - you are correct.
comparing current prices (since there is no going back in time) - you are in left field.

given those scores. a first gen i3 with safe overclock (4GHz) hang nicely between SB and IVB in term of overall performance.

yes but, I've seen some early 530s having some trouble to work at 4GHz,
a stock SB is probably a more trouble free experience, for the same performance basically.

still, if you can find some 530-540+MB for the price of a G1610+H61 it's certainly going to give you more performance, and the same features (no USB3 and sata3), just not the same power usage, and possibly less reliability.

if you are going to OC more, be prepared o pay for a better MB, better cooling and to play the CPU lottery.

 

[Arkaign]

Used i3 makes no sense to me at all.

However comma : used i5-750 and mobo is very attractive as a barebones budget option. Add in PCIe Sata6 and USB3 if you want down the line (never as good as onboard Intel chipset variants in newer chipsets, but they are perfectly functional). I've seen i5-750 board and chip combos sell for $100-$120. Add in an Evo 212+, shoot for 3.8Ghz, and you're well ahead of any i3 in an overall performance package.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2050406

Shows i5-750 to score 4.83 @ 3.6Ghz which is 20% faster than 4130.

That would ONLY apply to people who would use it for the life of the platform, and use the savings down the line to go to an entirely new build (used Haswell by that time perhaps?).

Price-wise, $120 for an i5-750/mobo compares to basically the price of an i3-4130 by itself. Instead of 2C/4T you get 4C/4T. Bearing in mind that 1150 B85 mobos can be had for $70ish, that's $70 one saves. Of course, some of that savings is eaten up by needing to buy a good air cooler, so split the difference and call it a $35 savings.

Pro : better overall performance at 3.8Ghz, better value for $.

Con : older chipset, limited upgrade potential, higher power usage, no PCI 3.0 (meaningless unless you're pairing with a very expensive GPU, and someone going for a $120 combo isn't going to mate it with SLI Titan OC)

Getting used parts isn't for everyone, but for savvy budget users it's often the best path to a well rounded system that's faster than what they could buy with a limited budget when sticking with only new parts. Using common used prices and some new components, here's a typical cheap used build :

Used i5-750 + Mobo $120
New 212+ $20AR
New 550W OCZ PSU $40AR
Generic ATX Midtower $20
New DVDRW $16
New 120GB Samsung SSD $90
New 7950 3GB $180

Result : the fastest sub-$500 build possible without stealing it

 

[crashtech]

did not quite understand your post #22. now post #38. do clarify your cpu recommendation for mating with a 560ti448?

are you are suggesting
a G1610 with a LGA1155 6/7 Series MB
over
a i3-560 with a LGA1156 5 Series MB
or
something else?

Simply that the G1610 is the low price leader for a new parts build, that's all. I would likely not spec one out unless forced, since I'm in the minority that believes the high clock speed, high IPC, and HT of the new i3s make them very attractive as an all-around snappy CPU.

 

[UaVaj]

Used i3 makes no sense to me at all.

i5-750/760 is an excellent choice overall.

anyway don't forget to take into consideration that the gpu in question is a 560ti.

op is asking for a budget cpu to balance it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Simply that the G1610 is the low price leader for a new parts build, that's all. I would likely not spec one out unless forced, since I'm in the minority that believes the high clock speed, high IPC, and HT of the new i3s make them very attractive as an all-around snappy CPU.

The i3-3220 is like 2x faster than the G1610, but like 4x the price. The i3 is a poor value, IMHO. Plus, for less than 2x more than the i3, you can have a true unlocked quad-core.

 

[crashtech]

The i3-3220 is like 2x faster than the G1610, but like 4x the price. The i3 is a poor value, IMHO. Plus, for less than 2x more than the i3, you can have a true unlocked quad-core.

Your math is suspect. The G1610 is $50, and the highest priced, newly released i3-4340 is $160. The i3-3220, at $130, is 2.6x the price of the G1610. I do think quad cores are cool, though.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Your math is suspect. The G1610 is $50, and the highest priced, newly released i3-4340 is $160. The i3-3220, at $130, is 2.6x the price of the G1610. I do think quad cores are cool, though.

I was going by MC prices. G1610 is $35. i3-3245 is $130. 3770K is $250.

 

[crashtech]

I was going by MC prices. G1610 is $35. i3-3245 is $130. 3770K is $250.

When it comes to price/performance ratios, MC practically needs its own forum.