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Thoughts on pedophilia.

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SagaLore said:
Stop justifying masturbating to child abuse. You're sick.
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I stated multiple times I find it disgusting. I'd certainly be in favour of severe punishments for those who engage in child abuse or support it financially.

But I don't approve sending people to jail and ruining their life for downloading 1s and 0s, for creating or possessing art or for recieving naughty cell phone pictures of their highschool sweethart.
 
HAL9000 said:
If someone commits a crime while in the middle of a psychotic break, perhaps if they are schizophrenic, they aren't responsible for what they are doing, they don't have the capacity to reason their way out of it, they don't understand what they are doing, they aren't responsible. Convicting them as though they are responsible is... irresponsible.



Nope, I feel this way because I have the capacity to empathise and the cognitive abilities to see the difference between someone who is culpable for their actions and someone who isn't.
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I'm mostly on your side with this Hal, but I think you fail to see the line of reasoning that Boomer is using, which is shared by common argument.

It's not that the person is responsible or not responsible for the crime--it's that the crime was committed. That is what matters. It's a rather simple, yet visceral, and some may argue effective, interpretation of crime.

Again, I don't think it addresses the problem of such crimes or does much in the end to curtail such primes (psychotics will continue to exist and continue to commit such crimes at roughly the same rate.)

We can't lock up someone who is mentally disturbed simply because they "may" do something, but once the crime is committed, something needs to be done. Is rehabilitation possible? Generally....no, though it depends on many individual factors.

I tend to opt for some form of long-term incarceration, depending on the crime, in a non-penal setting.
 
lord_emperor said:
I stated multiple times I find it disgusting. I'd certainly be in favour of severe punishments for those who engage in child abuse or support it financially.

But I don't approve sending people to jail and ruining their life for downloading 1s and 0s, for creating or possessing art or for recieving naughty cell phone pictures of their highschool sweethart.
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weird thread.

a lot of...strangely good arguments here regarding what is and isn't proper/legal in terms of pedo behavior.
 
zinfamous said:
I'm mostly on your side with this Hal, but I think you fail to see the line of reasoning that Boomer is using, which is shared by common argument.

It's not that the person is responsible or not responsible for the crime--it's that the crime was committed. That is what matters. It's a rather simple, yet visceral, and some may argue effective, interpretation of crime.

Again, I don't think it addresses the problem of such crimes or does much in the end to curtail such primes (psychotics will continue to exist and continue to commit such crimes at roughly the same rate.)

We can't lock up someone who is mentally disturbed simply because they "may" do something, but once the crime is committed, something needs to be done. Is rehabilitation possible? Generally....no, though it depends on many individual factors.

I tend to opt for some form of long-term incarceration, depending on the crime, in a non-penal setting.
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I see your point, and I'm not saying we should just disregard crimes that people do when they are in a psychotic break or similar, I'm saying it needs to be taken into account, locking them up in a prison is not the answer, a lot of people will have a break down, then recover relatively quickly. That needs to be taken into account, and in some circumstances people need to be let off if they commit a crime during a breakdown which they then recover from after hospitalisation or similar.
 
If you're a record - LP collector and you own an european copy of Scorpions album Virgin Killer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer
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Someone in ATOT must have CP lust(in closet and won't let display an artwork of Scorpions "controversial" artwork...

or a fan of Led Zeppelin and you own a copy of Led Zeppelin Houses Of The Holy LP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houses_of_the_Holy
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You must be a pedophile? isn't it?

If you're a gay and you look at Rembrandt, Rubens, Tiziano paintings - no good, those have to be banned and removed from all museums around the world

Just because there are politicians(gay or pedophile in a closet) of low morals, because religious freaks abuse children, because gay's don't like women, all art, artwork has to be destroyed...
 
GTaudiophile said:
Who of you remembers the day...

you decided to be straight?
you decided to be gay?
you decided that petite brunettes with green eyes are sexy?
you decided that women wearing scrubs is a turn on?
you decided that you enjoy being dominated in bed?
you decided that you get off on sex outdoors?
you decided that you have a fetish for women's socks?
...

Well, can you remember?

I can remember being attracted to Meghan when we were both in Kindergarten. No one told me to be. I just was.

So who thinks that pedophiles wake up one day and decide that they want to be attracted to children? When do they decide to be a member of the most vilified group in world?

I don't think any of us has a choice. I didn't. You don't. They don't. We all come out hard-wired in different ways. Some people simply come out on the right side of history. Others don't. Had you been born gay a few decades or centuries ago, then you may have been burned at the stake. Had you been born as a pedophile during Roman times, you may have enjoyed a comfortable lifestyle.

Point is, we are all governed by the laws and societal norms into which we are born.

Do I think that the average, non-violent (non-functional) pedophile is evil? Not at all. In fact I may take pity on them for harboring feelings and urges that they didn't ask for and struggle to contain.

Do I think that ANY violent offender of children should be dealt with to maximum extent of the law? Absolutely!

Do I think that child porn is a gateway drug to full-blown pedophilia? I'm not sure. I enjoy watching (adult) threesome videos but that doesn't mean I will ever engage in one. How much kinky porn have you all watched that has actually motivated you to act on what you saw? I assume the same goes for CP.

Do I agree with ANY sort of non-consensual sex? No! And as much as I am sure pedophiles disagree to the contrary, children are simply incapable of granting consent. They lack the maturity to recognize the consequences of their actions and can far too easily be manipulated by a "trusted" adult friend or family member. Now, the definition of the "age of consent" I may take issue with. Can the law accurately and flatly define this age as 18 in all cases? Probably not but everyone grows up at different rates, so I understand that the law must strive to find a happy medium of course.
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Pedophiles are not attracted to anyone. They simply want to use innocent defenseless children as pawns in there fantasies.
 
Several teachers are arrested every single day in America for paedophilia.
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We need to subject all employees with direct access to children to annual psyche tests, invasive questioning and close monitering.
 
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Originally Posted by alkemyst
There is a difference between artwork and child pornography, bro.
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BladeVenom said:
Depends on who you ask. There are quite a few people who believe nudity is evil. They might even be in the majority.
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But all that matters is the law. And the law distinguishes between art and pornography. Fact is, there are pics of nude children that are legal to have, and many that arent.
 
blackangst1 said:
But all that matters is the law. And the law distinguishes between art and pornography. Fact is, there are pics of nude children that are legal to have, and many that arent.
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That is true, but there is a problem with the fact that the only way to know if a particular picture is art or CP is to have a judge decide. Some things are going to be quite obviously CP, but nothing is obviously art. Since the US has recently rules that even paintings and drawings can be CP, it is always dangerous to possess such a image. No matter how, ‘artistic’ the image, you get the wrong judge, or even the right judge at the wrong time, and your life could be changed forever (sometimes just being accused is enough for that to happen)
 
To any sane person, the line is pretty clear. If one has a ton of child nudity it's also a sign they are fucked up and need to be taken out
 
XX55XX said:
In the last several weeks, there have a number of arrests made over child pornography possession in my area of the country. One of the men arrested was a grade school teacher, and there was much outrage from parents who have children in the school district that this man worked in. The arrests were probably linked to the shutdown of the child porn site Dreamboard a couple of months ago.

I guess the point I want to make is: While people pushing for gay rights harder than ever, pedophiles are increasingly marginalized. Yes, some of them may be bad people who abuse children - and these people should feel the full force of the law on their backs. But, at the same time, you have pedophiles who have done nothing wrong - except for possessing child pornography. Personally, while people should be punished for having kiddie porn stashed on their hard drives, such an offense should not be considered a felony. It's a bit heavy-handed, no?

Furthermore, is pedophilia a mental illness? If we can classify pedophilia as a mental illness, then I suppose we can classify homosexuality as a mental illness, too. But again, while both may be illnesses, there is more accommodation for those who are gay.

While I completely support harsh punishment against those who create child pornography and/or rape children, I think society should be more lenient in terms of dealing with those pedophiles who merely consume such content, by sending them to mental care institutions so that they can be cured of their pedophilia.
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First of all, I need to let you all know that I came across this post while doing research for a paper I am writing for one of my classes. Second, before I make my response on this topic, I should let you all know that I am a survivor of child sexual abuse, so I definitely have experienced opinions.

I don't think I could ever compare pedophilia to homosexuality. People are not sick just because they are born being attracted to or choose to love someone of their own sex. The major difference between pedophiles and homosexuals is that pedophiles fantasize about or choose to have sex with children. Yes, I will concede that it is possible for some homosexuals to also be pedophiles, but that is rare.

When it comes to punishment, I believe that pedophiles/child molesters do not get what they really deserve. In my opinion they are just as bad as murder, and should be punishable by death. Those pedophiles who have only possessed child pornography are just as bad as the ones who have actually performed the act because not only are they fantasizing about performing such acts when they possess the child pornography, but they are also advocating the heinous crimes that are committed by the ones who perform the acts with these children or participate in the manufacture and/or distribution of the child porn.

In addition, I will concede that in history, older men married young girls as a common practice. However, in those times, it was rare that it was done for any reason other than procreation. The young girls were thought to be more fertile and there was a higher chance that they would produce children for those men. Most of the time, it was not done for pleasure.

I am also a firm believer that pedophilia is a mental illness. I feel that the cause of this illness can be caused by one or more of three reasons. The first is that the pedophile him or herself was sexually abused as a child. This can make the person feel or believe that it is okay or normal because of the trauma they experienced. Another reason is that the person may not have matured mentally and could be "stuck" at a certain stage of their development. This can make them feel like they are the same age as the child, which would make their brains think it is okay. My last reason is the possible chemical imbalance that may have or is occurring in the person's brain. Chemical imbalances have been known to cause many mental illnesses and disabilities such as bi-polar disorder, depression, and anxiety, among others. Mental illness or not, however, if the pedophile hides their fantasies and actions, then they know that it is wrong, and should still be held accountable.
 
MarkXIX said:
I assisted JAG with some computer forensics in a pedophilia case. Tell me how you feel after you see pictures of a 40+ year old male penetrating a 2 year old girl with his penis. Oh and tell me AFTER you have a child of your own.

Me? I decided then and there that bullets are the answers to pedophiles, no matter their affiliation with the problem.
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I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo agree!!!!!!!!
 
Do those of you that believe unpaid and private (meaning for ones personal use only) of child pornography creates a market for further production of child pornography feel the same way about any other form of snuff video, i.e. 2 guys 1 hammer?
 
BoomerD said:
Pedophilia...actual physical abuse of children...should carry the death penalty.



Mental illness should NOT be a defense for criminals.
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YES the SEXUAL abuse of Children should the a death penalty offense. Mental illness CAN be a defense for criminal acts.
 
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HamburgerBoy said:
Do those of you that believe unpaid and private (meaning for ones personal use only) of child pornography creates a market for further production of child pornography feel the same way about any other form of snuff video, i.e. 2 guys 1 hammer?
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you cant allow it in any fashion. those pictures have to come from somewhere, and even if the child has great fun in doing it they dont have the mental capacity to make a proper decision. most of them would grow up and completely regret it. then you also have to figure the guys who take these photos are usually abusing the kids.

so while it may seem harmless to just look at photos, and even if there is no way to stop people from looking, you cant allow it. its just not logical.
 
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