Thoughts on Democrats-

[CallMeJoe]

I was talking about this post. It seemed to me that the incumbent party losing in those 2 examples were what you were pointing out and why you are so opposed to Obama getting any competition. I could be wrong though.

Please cite any post in which I oppose competition for President Obama.

Any rational thinker would realize the difference between explaining a situation and advocating for that situation. I obviously set my estimation of your abilities far too high.

 

[Rainsford]

How does the map look for the Democratic primaries? Oh that's right, the Democrats stifled all dissent and made sure no one can or would run against Obama in this election.

What the hell are you talking about...does that EVER happen, on the left or the right?

Edit: I should say that when I say "that ever happen" I mean a party artificially limiting available candidates when the incumbent could be defeated by them, as you seem to think is happening in this case.

 

[Rainsford]

You mean where Kennedy ran against Carter in 80? Yes, I saw that one. Buchanan and Keyes against George H.W. Bush in 92? Yes I saw that one too.

Seriously, have you never seen a presidential election before?

Aren't those two examples situations where the incumbent party was pretty unhappy with their candidate, candidates who lost quite badly in the general election, I notice. What makes you think Obama is a similar position this time around?

 

[monovillage]

What the hell are you talking about...does that EVER happen, on the left or the right?

Christ, is there a damn law about having fun in here?

 

[Rainsford]

Christ, is there a damn law about having fun in here?

I'm having fun, that's why I post here

I suppose it's possible that there is some artificial conspiracy to keep Democratic challengers away from Obama, but I don't see a lot of evidence of that.

 

[monovillage]

Aren't those two examples situations where the incumbent party was pretty unhappy with their candidate, candidates who lost quite badly in the general election, I notice. What makes you think Obama is a similar position this time around?

I have seen Democrats complain (as I posted in this thread earlier) like Sheehan and how long it's taken Obama to get us out of Iraq/Afghanistan. Greenies complain about his lack of progress on environmental issues such as the carbon tax and how much flack he was taking befor Keystone XL. Others complaining about his close ties to corporate America. You would be lying if you said all Democrats are happy with the President, and you know it. What happened to his promise to close Guantanamo?

 

[monovillage]

I'm having fun, that's why I post here

I suppose it's possible that there is some artificial conspiracy to keep Democratic challengers away from Obama, but I don't see a lot of evidence of that.

Sometimes it's just fun to tease the political animals. It's not as if I were shooting a slingshot at a tiger ya know.

 

[Rainsford]

I have seen Democrats complain (as I posted in this thread earlier) like Sheehan and how long it's taken Obama to get us out of Iraq/Afghanistan. Greenies complain about his lack of progress on environmental issues such as the carbon tax and how much flack he was taking befor Keystone XL. Others complaining about his close ties to corporate America. You would be lying if you said all Democrats are happy with the President, and you know it. What happened to his promise to close Guantanamo?

That's why I DIDN'T say "all Democrats are happy with the President", particularly on all issues. That doesn't translate into thinking he should have primary opposition, or that any potential primary opposition will get anywhere. Democrats can have all of those legitimate gripes about Obama and still think he's the best choice among the Democrats right now. I for one wish he had followed through on his plan to close Gitmo, but I've never felt I have to like every single thing a candidate has done in order to want to vote for them.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I have seen Democrats complain (as I posted in this thread earlier) like Sheehan and how long it's taken Obama to get us out of Iraq/Afghanistan. Greenies complain about his lack of progress on environmental issues such as the carbon tax and how much flack he was taking befor Keystone XL. Others complaining about his close ties to corporate America. You would be lying if you said all Democrats are happy with the President, and you know it. What happened to his promise to close Guantanamo?

Congress happened. They denied funds to transfer inmates out of Guantanamo.

Also, Cindy Sheehan is almost as representative of mainstream Democrats as the Westboro Baptist Church is of mainstream Christianity.
The Greens are unhappy with the president, but they are not a large enough faction to threaten the incumbent president.

 

[Rainsford]

Sometimes it's just fun to tease the political animals.

...

Heh, that's true. But other folks might have the same thought

 

[monovillage]

Congress happened. They denied funds to transfer inmates out of Guantanamo.

Also, Cindy Sheehan is almost as representative of mainstream Democrats as the Westboro Baptist Church is of mainstream Christianity.
The Greens are unhappy with the president, but they are not a large enough faction to threaten the incumbent president.

Is your claim that every Democrat is just happy as a clam with the President? That there is no internal dissent or difference of opinion at all?

 

[monovillage]

Heh, that's true. But other folks might have the same thought

True, and that's what makes P&N such a fun place. Sometimes we even discuss and debate real issues !

 

[Rainsford]

Is your claim that every Democrat is just happy as a clam with the President? That there is no internal dissent or difference of opinion at all?

It seems like his point isn't that NO dissent exists, it's that it's not significant enough to support a primary challenger to an incumbent President.

 

[Rainsford]

True, and that's what makes P&N such a fun place. Sometimes we even discuss and debate real issues !

If often by accident

 

[CallMeJoe]

Is your claim that every Democrat is just happy as a clam with the President? That there is no internal dissent or difference of opinion at all?

It seems like his point isn't that NO dissent exists, it's that it's not significant enough to support a primary challenger to an incumbent President.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It's nice that at least one person comprehends my posts.

 

[monovillage]

It's nice that at least one person comprehends my posts.

Yep, he's pretty good.

 

[monovillage]

Aren't those two examples situations where the incumbent party was pretty unhappy with their candidate, candidates who lost quite badly in the general election, I notice. What makes you think Obama is a similar position this time around?

I should have said that H.W. Bush was pretty popular, other then his "read my lips" tax pledge that he broke. He'd just come off the Desert Storm/Desert Shield military action. Remember that Clinton won with 43% of the vote. The main reason Bush lost was that short little whacked out dude Perot.

 

[monovillage]

Stop talking about nonsense. The incumbent president rarely faces any competition from his own party. That's just the way it is. Stop trying to derail my thread.

Who are you?

At least spell his name right TalonStrike, it's Romney

 

[Idontcare]

This thread was created from the extracted off-topic derail posts that were originally contributed to the Super Tuesday thread.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[hal2kilo]

Mew! It must be torture watching Repub hopefuls rip into each other, waste their resources & point out each others' flaws. None of them can resist putting their foot in their mouth, either.

At first, it was like a clown car, but now it's just the three stooges slapping each other around...

I think he's having a hissy fit.

 

[shadow9d9]

It is way better for Obama to have a second term than for a new person to enter the scene as a democrat. 2nd term presidents are able to accomplish a lot more of their policy changes because there is no threat to re-election. This is just the way of things. It would also be construed by the opposition party that the one party wasn't happy enough with their current candidate and that it would be a sign of weakness for them to change.

 

[Ausm]

Sorry, but i'm still laughing about this.


Thank you for the humor, even if it was unintentional on your part.

What do you find humorous about wanting the American Auto industry to go under?

 

[monovillage]

Nicely done Idon'tcare.

 

[fskimospy]

I have seen Democrats complain (as I posted in this thread earlier) like Sheehan and how long it's taken Obama to get us out of Iraq/Afghanistan. Greenies complain about his lack of progress on environmental issues such as the carbon tax and how much flack he was taking befor Keystone XL. Others complaining about his close ties to corporate America. You would be lying if you said all Democrats are happy with the President, and you know it. What happened to his promise to close Guantanamo?

The RCP polling average of Obama's support among Democrats is ~81%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval_among_democrats-1046.html

I have no idea why you think that there would be a primary challenge to a president with an 81% approval rating among his own party, and I am particularly mystified why you think that credible challengers would attempt to unseat such an overwhelmingly popular figure. Complaints about certain policies do not equal an endorsement of his removal.

 

[Ldir]

You have an interesting way of misinterpreting posts and misconstruing positions. Have you been taking lessons from cybrstooge?

They are much alike.