Those who voted for Obama: Does the HC bill change your view of his performance

[Blackjack200]

For me it certainly does. I was pretty upset that he had majorities in both houses and was seemingly unable to get anything done. I felt like he was ineffective, weak, and a total disappointment to anyone who voted him thinking they were voting for reform. I thought he paid way too much lip service to bi-partisanship when it was crystal clear that the Republicans were unified in defiance of anything he tried to do.

With passage of the HC bill, I do a 180. He accomplished something singular, and actually did deliver "Change". When it became clear that the Republicans would not contribute, and would do everything in their power to kill HC reform, he rammed it down their throats.

An important precendent has been set: Obama has shown the Republicans that he has the ability to govern without them. They may now choose to either constructively contribute to legislation, or they may continue to try to obstruct, and be seen as a drag on the improvements this country makes over the next 7 months.

 

[heyheybooboo]

I'm waiting for Obama to ram The Volcker Rule thru Congress.

Get that done and he deserves an A+.





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[Gonad the Barbarian]

The whole democratic party showed for the first time in years they still have some testicles. I think more than anything in this bill, that's what Republicans are angry over.

 

[HannibalX]

The whole democratic party showed for the first time in years they still have some testicles. I think more than anything in this bill, that's what Republicans are angry over.

What a riot!

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

What a riot!

It is kind of funny, who knew Pelosi was hiding a pair of brass clangers like that.

 

[bob4432]

all the dems and obama have shown is that they don't care about what the people want.

 

[dmcowen674]

Those who voted for Obama: Does the HC bill change your view of his performance

Proves he the Messiah for real Americans and the Anti-Christ to Republicans

 

[heyheybooboo]

all the dems and obama have shown is that they don't care about what the people want.

Nice talking point.

How far does Karl Rove have his arm shoved up your butt?




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[IndyColtsFan]

Proves he the Messiah for real Americans and the Anti-Christ to Republicans

So you must really hate him, since you voted for Bush.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Obama said what he would do. Asked for bipartisan support, didn't get it and went on without Republicans. What did you want him to do? Nothing?
I am as proud as I can be this morning. Everyone says things have to change and Obama has supplied that change.
Well Done

 

[Farang]

Yes. If you assume that he has two more major victories up his sleeve (let's say: financial reform and energy), then that is going to be one hell of a first term. Stimulus, health care reform, financial reform, and energy reform, or something along those lines.

What did the last Republican president do in his first term? No Child Left Behind and two wars?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It made me very happy he got this done. And since nobody (especially here) knows exactly what's going to happen because of it, I choose to hope for the best and know there are strings attached to it, deals made, etc. You'd either have to be ignorant, a newborn, or completely out of touch with politics to think that any bill goes through without some padding. I am not condoning it, just acknowledging it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Proves he the Messiah for real Americans and the Anti-Christ to Republicans

So you must really hate him, since you voted for Bush.

You LIE

Bush was not up for vote, Palin and McCain were.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Obama said what he would do. Asked for bipartisan support, didn't get it and went on without Republicans. What did you want him to do? Nothing?
I am as proud as I can be this morning. Everyone says things have to change and Obama has supplied that change.
Well Done

It was Pelosi and Reid that had publicly stated that they did not need Republican support.

The Republicans attemtped to provide input - those two ran without it.

The HC still has to make it back through the Senare -it is not a done deal.
IF it gets through, there still will be the legal battle to watch.

 

[Genx87]

Nice talking point.

How far does Karl Rove have his arm shoved up your butt?




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About as far as you have your nose up Pelosi's ass. Take a look at a poll.

 

[Moonbeam]

I wanted a single payer government run insurance and fee for outcome reimbursement and can only hope that what did barely pass will be better than what was at present impossible to do. The American people have self fucked themselves for generations and now have a chance at least to get health care that insurance greed can't take away or deny them. That at least seems like an improvement. I hate the idea of children dying because their folks are poor and they have no power to get their kids insurance.

 

[dainthomas]

If they'd swapped out the lame insurance requirement for a public option, then I'd be happier. And I still wish they'd done everything separately. I'd like to see Republicans argue that chronically ill children whose parents lose their jobs don't deserve medical care.

 

[Genx87]

It is kind of funny, who knew Pelosi was hiding a pair of brass clangers like that.

Makese sense when you think about it. The top female in the Democrat party has the biggest balls.

 

[Genx87]

if they'd swapped out the lame insurance requirement for a public option, then i'd be happier. And i still wish they'd done everything separately. I'd like to see republicans argue that chronically ill children whose parents lose their jobs don't deserve medical care.

chips

 

[heyheybooboo]

Hey, CC ...

The Senate Health Care Bill is law and hundreds of GOP amendments are incorporated within it.





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[Pens1566]

all the dems and obama have shown is that they don't care about what the people want.

All this ^ proves is that you don't realize that when people are told exactly what the bill does they approve by a good bit. It's only the mindless "death panel blah blah blah" that they disapprove of.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It was Pelosi and Reid that had publicly stated that they did not need Republican support.

The Republicans attemtped to provide input - those two ran without it.

The HC still has to make it back through the Senare -it is not a done deal.
IF it gets through, there still will be the legal battle to watch.

Pelosi said the night of the vote there were 200 Republican amendments in this bill. Obama said today after the signing the state insurance collectives were a Republican idea. And the HC bill is a done deal, signed into law today. What has to go through the Senate and possibly the House again is a fix bill, but the bill voted on Sunday is law.

 

[heyheybooboo]

About as far as you have your nose up Pelosi's ass. Take a look at a poll.

Oh, look. It's the GOP Punching Clown.

So.

Effectively you are claiming the betterment of America rests upon 'polling' and which way the political winds are blowing?

That was formally antithetical to conservative thinking but fits right in with your hypocritical ass.





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[Genx87]

All this ^ proves is that you don't realize that when people are told exactly what the bill does they approve by a good bit. It's only the mindless "death panel blah blah blah" that they disapprove of.

Keep telling yourself that. The biggest concern with healthcare reform and what Obama initiated this whole debacle is cost control, not coverage for 30 million people.
This bill doesnt control costs at all.

 

[Blackjack200]

It was Pelosi and Reid that had publicly stated that they did not need Republican support.

The Republicans attemtped to provide input - those two ran without it.

The HC still has to make it back through the Senare -it is not a done deal.
IF it gets through, there still will be the legal battle to watch.

The tone of the debate from the Republican side has been poisonous for the entire process. Making up lies about "death squads", rediculous abortion posturing, badly mischaracterizing major portions of the bill, they made it abundantly clear that they were not interested in providing positive input and criticism of the legislation.

I'm very happy that Obama, Pelosi, and Reid did it without them.