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ahurtt

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: ahurtt
You mean like the "good samaritan law" on the final episode of Seinfeld? Where Jerry and the gang got arrested for video taping a thief robbing a fat guy and laughing about it? No such law I know of.

Good Samaritan Laws

Did you read the link you posted or did you just post the first thing google spouted out? First of all, that link is a law that applies to a specific organization, the AIA. Second, the law talked about there is intended to protect 'good samaritans' who acted in good faith from harmful repercussions from their actions. For example (and only an example that pops to mind. . .totally hypothetical), somebody who saves a person from drowning and certain death but accidentally breaks that persons arm in the process can't be sued for breaking the drowning persons arm.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
I beleive that there is a law that states you are responsible for helping someone in dire need so long as doing so wouldn't put yourself in harm's way. I'm not sure, though.

Nope, that's Europe and a couple small American states. You don't have to help anyone in California.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: ahurtt
You mean like the "good samaritan law" on the final episode of Seinfeld? Where Jerry and the gang got arrested for video taping a thief robbing a fat guy and laughing about it? No such law I know of. As long as the witness didn't actively participate, assist, instigate, or conspire to cover it up there's nothing that can be done. They were not accomplices just because they chose to look the other way. You can't arrest somebody who happened to witness something because they walked into the wrong place at the wrong time and saw something they wished they hadn't and then just turned around and walked out. That was something they had no control over and they don't want their lives all screwed up because they picked to open a certain door at a very bad time. And they wouldn't be very willing to testify against the actual perpetrator if they were implicated themselves. Haven't you ever seen any mafia movies where they agree to overlook the wrongs of the little guy in exchange for testimony against the boss? Nobody is going to come forth with information if they are threatened themselves. There are 2 ways you can get people to testify. . .1= you have something you can convict them for and use that as a bargaining chip against them for their testimony. 2=You got nothing on them but subpoena them to testify in court because you think they know something. By doing #2 now you have something to make them testify. . .if they don't show up in court and testify they go to jail for not answering a summons. Same outcome as with #1. But you can't just cage somebody you need information from without offering them something for that information. It would be nice if the witnesses came forward voluntarily to begin with, and maybe now that MJ is caught some of them are coming forward without a fight. But you can't make laws based on what would be nice.

This is what I'm refering to. And this.

On reading you link I found this text:
*All states require certain professionals and institutions to report suspected child abuse, including health care providers and facilities of all types, mental health care providers of all types, teachers and other school personnel, social workers, day care providers and law enforcement personnel. Many states require film developers to report.

*18 states have broad statutes requiring "any person" to report.

Which ties to what I just posted a minute ago in reply to someone else that people who are not professionals working in areas where child welfare is a concern are not deemed qualified to determine when abuse is taking place and what qualifies as abuse. Only 18 states, according to the link, provide such broad rules requiring "any person" to report things. So the question is, did anybody witness MJ fall into the category of a qualified professional as defined by the laws and if not, did anybody witness it in one of those 18 states? If yes to either of those conditions, then bring them up on charges.

[EDIT] Sorry, I posted this before I saw your later response which said:

"Never mind. After further research, I discovered that the people that have come forth as witnesses don't fit the law of those that MUST report child abuse. I personally think that IF they are telling the truth, they are just as guilty as MJ and be brought up on Perjury charges.

"
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: rickn
There's no way MJ will survive in the pen

Lol, I don't actually agree with this. You think because he is "feminine" therefore he is weak? I see him as a manipulator of people and situations (I don't mean that in a good way) and I also see him as a "survivor".

no, I think that because child molesters in prison get their asses kicked on a daily basis, as well as getting their butts plugged..and MJ would probably pay for that one


MJ would probably like the butt plugging bit .. .so I think he'd make out just fine.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: conjur
I'm just not getting solid vibes these people are telling the truth.

Same here.
Doesn't matter. They say they saw it and are swearing to it in court. I agree with the OP. Bring these chumps up on charges.
Of perjury?
Actually I'd forgotten that we don't have laws compelling witnesses to report crimes. We should initiate those laws immediately, or better yet just summarily shoot anybody who's a big enough fvck wad to not report a crime.

Even if a person feels that to report a crime would endanger their life or their family for fear of reprisal by somebody who knows they "blew the whistle?"
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: rickn
There's no way MJ will survive in the pen

Lol, I don't actually agree with this. You think because he is "feminine" therefore he is weak? I see him as a manipulator of people and situations (I don't mean that in a good way) and I also see him as a "survivor".

no, I think that because child molesters in prison get their asses kicked on a daily basis, as well as getting their butts plugged..and MJ would probably pay for that one


MJ would probably like the butt plugging bit

What leads you to think that?
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: rickn
There's no way MJ will survive in the pen

Lol, I don't actually agree with this. You think because he is "feminine" therefore he is weak? I see him as a manipulator of people and situations (I don't mean that in a good way) and I also see him as a "survivor".

no, I think that because child molesters in prison get their asses kicked on a daily basis, as well as getting their butts plugged..and MJ would probably pay for that one


MJ would probably like the butt plugging bit

What leads you to think that?

My preconceived notion about what a deranged closet homo he is based on what he has done to his physical appearance via plastic surgery. I mean come on he's freaky! He looks more like a white version of his sister Janet now than he looks like the guy on the front of Thriller. Just his physical appearance screams out "sexual pervert" and he doesn't do anything to fix it! I can't believe he didn't sue the doctors who did it to him. ..but maybe that's because he enjoys looking like a white woman.
 

Genx87

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I really have my doubts about these witness's for the prosecution. You have the abused admit to telling a lie. His brother or whatever did the same.

Now they are parading all these people around who said they thought they saw something but didnt actually see something. And to top it off they all have axes to grind with the singer.

The man is certified whacked out of his mind. But that doesnt make him a child molestor.

As for the OP question? Why stop there? Why not prosecute these parents for auctioning up their children?

This case is a classic hollywood disaster waiting to happen for this idiot prosecutor.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: rickn
There's no way MJ will survive in the pen

Lol, I don't actually agree with this. You think because he is "feminine" therefore he is weak? I see him as a manipulator of people and situations (I don't mean that in a good way) and I also see him as a "survivor".

no, I think that because child molesters in prison get their asses kicked on a daily basis, as well as getting their butts plugged..and MJ would probably pay for that one


MJ would probably like the butt plugging bit

What leads you to think that?

My preconceived notion about what a deranged closet homo he is based on what he has done to his physical appearance via plastic surgery. I mean come on he's freaky! He looks more like a white version of his sister Janet now than he looks like the guy on the front of Thriller. Just his physical appearance screams out "sexual pervert" and he doesn't do anything to fix it! I can't believe he didn't sue the doctors who did it to him. ..but maybe that's because he enjoys looking like a white woman.


So he might be homosexual... that doesn't mean he'd enjoy being raped. Just like straight women don't enjoy being raped.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: rickn
There's no way MJ will survive in the pen

Lol, I don't actually agree with this. You think because he is "feminine" therefore he is weak? I see him as a manipulator of people and situations (I don't mean that in a good way) and I also see him as a "survivor".

no, I think that because child molesters in prison get their asses kicked on a daily basis, as well as getting their butts plugged..and MJ would probably pay for that one


MJ would probably like the butt plugging bit

What leads you to think that?

My preconceived notion about what a deranged closet homo he is based on what he has done to his physical appearance via plastic surgery. I mean come on he's freaky! He looks more like a white version of his sister Janet now than he looks like the guy on the front of Thriller. Just his physical appearance screams out "sexual pervert" and he doesn't do anything to fix it! I can't believe he didn't sue the doctors who did it to him. ..but maybe that's because he enjoys looking like a white woman.


So he might be homosexual... that doesn't mean he'd enjoy being raped. Just like straight women don't enjoy being raped.
Actually, some women have rape fantasies. I have a few friends that want to be "heavily taken advantage of". They aren't freaks either, just your average upper middle class white girls.

God only knows what kind of strange fantasies MJ has.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: ahurtt
You mean like the "good samaritan law" on the final episode of Seinfeld? Where Jerry and the gang got arrested for video taping a thief robbing a fat guy and laughing about it? No such law I know of.

Good Samaritan Laws

Did you read the link you posted or did you just post the first thing google spouted out? First of all, that link is a law that applies to a specific organization, the AIA. Second, the law talked about there is intended to protect 'good samaritans' who acted in good faith from harmful repercussions from their actions. For example (and only an example that pops to mind. . .totally hypothetical), somebody who saves a person from drowning and certain death but accidentally breaks that persons arm in the process can't be sued for breaking the drowning persons arm.

Umm... no shit? I was providing you a link to the only "Good Samaritan" laws I could find. They basically say that you can't sure someone who legitimately is trying to help you. Nothing about crime-prevention.

I wasn't arguing with you or trying to disprove you. Please remove the stick from you arse.
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
As far as I understand it, no one has actaully *seen* him abuse or molest any children - just multiple reports of "odd" behavior with them (sleeping in the same sleeping bag, in bed together topless, odd "tickling" games - nothing illegal in itself, just suspicious.)

He's definitely a freak, but so far, no one has any solid evidence that's he crossed the 'legal' line (although any normal parent would never let thier child stay with him unsupervised.)
I heard on the radio that someone testified to seeing Jackson engaged in oral sex with a kid. Not sure who they were talking about. Not really following this all too close. Jackson is a freak and I hope, if not found guilty, he's at least barred from being around kids. Plus, those dimbulbs on CourtTV make following this thing extremely difficult. ;)

 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: ahurtt
You mean like the "good samaritan law" on the final episode of Seinfeld? Where Jerry and the gang got arrested for video taping a thief robbing a fat guy and laughing about it? No such law I know of.

Good Samaritan Laws

Did you read the link you posted or did you just post the first thing google spouted out? First of all, that link is a law that applies to a specific organization, the AIA. Second, the law talked about there is intended to protect 'good samaritans' who acted in good faith from harmful repercussions from their actions. For example (and only an example that pops to mind. . .totally hypothetical), somebody who saves a person from drowning and certain death but accidentally breaks that persons arm in the process can't be sued for breaking the drowning persons arm.

Umm... no shit? I was providing you a link to the only "Good Samaritan" laws I could find. They basically say that you can't sure someone who legitimately is trying to help you. Nothing about crime-prevention.

I wasn't arguing with you or trying to disprove you. Please remove the stick from you arse.

Well then next time try qualifying your reply/post with some thoughts of your own and more than just a single link and maybe I'll have some idea what you are trying to say. How was I or anybody else supposed to know if you were posting an agreement or a rebuttal or what? To me it looked like you were saying, "yes there are good samaritan laws like the ones the OP is talking about, here's a link." But that's apparently not what you were trying to say and now I understand that. Could have saved a lot of needless arguing and personal attacks if you had just qualified your original reply with some qualification. Posting nothing but a single link leaves me and others to draw our own conclusion about what thought it is you are trying to relay and why. Please remove the rocks from between your ears, replace with functioning brain.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: rickn
There's no way MJ will survive in the pen

Lol, I don't actually agree with this. You think because he is "feminine" therefore he is weak? I see him as a manipulator of people and situations (I don't mean that in a good way) and I also see him as a "survivor".

no, I think that because child molesters in prison get their asses kicked on a daily basis, as well as getting their butts plugged..and MJ would probably pay for that one


MJ would probably like the butt plugging bit

What leads you to think that?

My preconceived notion about what a deranged closet homo he is based on what he has done to his physical appearance via plastic surgery. I mean come on he's freaky! He looks more like a white version of his sister Janet now than he looks like the guy on the front of Thriller. Just his physical appearance screams out "sexual pervert" and he doesn't do anything to fix it! I can't believe he didn't sue the doctors who did it to him. ..but maybe that's because he enjoys looking like a white woman.


So he might be homosexual... that doesn't mean he'd enjoy being raped. Just like straight women don't enjoy being raped.

Well what I am really saying is that regardless of whether or not he is homosexual, he is also a freak. So he is a homo freak. I never meant to imply that being homo automatically made him a freak. I just think he is a freak AND a homo. The freak part of him probably wouldn't mind being raped. The homo part of him would want the pounding to be by men. Although if in my original post I offended some homosexuals, I really don't give a $hit. I understand I am supposed to be accepting and realize that homosexual does not mean freak. So I make that distinction. Doesn't really mean I believe it.
 

judasmachine

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i haven't been following the case, and i'd rather leave it to the lawyers, jury, and judge. however to answer your question there is a law that if you even know about child abuse, you must report it. at least here in texas...