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Those on welfare should be sterilized

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The OP is troll worthy and ignored, but:
I went with a friend who had to renew benefits and they asked him the question "have you had a vasectomy or are you interested in learning how you can have one performed at state expense ? " , it really surprised me. So the states are starting to push the idea somewhat, at least in NC.
If this could be verified, then the press on through to civil rights groups would have a justified field day.

Unfortunately the USA has a sordid history of toying around with eugenics. A perverse notion is commonly retained for a social evolution where success, worth, and viability are determined by wealth/social class.

If the above quote is correct then abhorrent practices of the past may not just remain seathing beow the surface, but again state policy.
 
Go to school and get trained for what jobs that require training?

Your heroes sent all those jobs to China, Mexico, India et al but here.

Not much training or school needed to flip burgers and greet at Wally World door.

Everyone wants to buy the cheapest crap they can find from Walmart, K-Mart, Target, Etc....., which 99% of is made in China, then cry that their jobs get shipped overseas.
 
If the "true conservative" view is really live and let live, we must be running pretty short on "true conservatives" here in America 😉

I believe that many conservatives would like to think that's their world view, but it's pretty clearly not if you look around. Punishing poor people, or at least expressing extreme dislike for them, seems to be a pretty big staple of modern American conservative views for at least some conservatives.

Absolutely correct.

As for your second statement, the same could be said about the other side. Punishing hard working people and savers, and expressing extreme dislike for them is a pretty big stape of modern American liberal views for all liberals.
 
The OP is troll worthy and ignored, but:
If this could be verified, then the press on through to civil rights groups would have a justified field day.

If the state is going to pay for it if the guy says yes, it is a win-win for both. They guy can say no and not have a vasc done, or if he wants one, he can get it for free.

I see no problem with it.
 
I went with a friend who had to renew benefits and they asked him the question "have you had a vasectomy or are you interested in learning how you can have one performed at state expense ? " , it really surprised me. So the states are starting to push the idea somewhat, at least in NC.

The problem will not be fixed by this though because it is treating the symptom and not the problem. You have to start changing values in the homes and in the young people or everything in the USA is going to collapse not just welfare. The entitlement mentality has got to stop and you stop it by showing people they can and should provide for themselves, through education not laws.


A good portion of those people simply have mental issues though. There is a girlfriend [just friend] that ive known since we were both 8, and her shrink lists her as "crazy" for various reasons - she wont admit she is though, but her actions show she is at times [she doesnt give a Fck about anything]. She is on welfare and has had 3 kids so far to keep the money rolling in. Job wise she has worked 1 day in her life and she is 28 now, she was also on heroin for a few years and bought it by cheating the welfare system to get $ to buy it...She recently lost her kids to a Social worker calling her in and she is far more upset about possibly losing welfare than she is for her kids..That is craziness.

Bottom line is people like that are never going to be "normal" in our sense of the word. Of course there are bums out there who are happily milking the system and are just lazy, but I bet its not the majority. If you look at it closely most of those folks probably suffer from some serious mental conditions.
 
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The OP is troll worthy and ignored, but:
If this could be verified, then the press on through to civil rights groups would have a justified field day.

Unfortunately the USA has a sordid history of toying around with eugenics. A perverse notion is commonly retained for a social evolution where success, worth, and viability are determined by wealth/social class.

If the above quote is correct then abhorrent practices of the past may not just remain seathing beow the surface, but again state policy.

Voluntary eugenics isn't a bad idea. As long as they don't cross the line and offer incentives for it.
 
The OP is troll worthy and ignored, but:
If this could be verified, then the press on through to civil rights groups would have a justified field day.

Unfortunately the USA has a sordid history of toying around with eugenics. A perverse notion is commonly retained for a social evolution where success, worth, and viability are determined by wealth/social class.

If the above quote is correct then abhorrent practices of the past may not just remain seathing beow the surface, but again state policy.



If the friend is White I dont think anything would be done about it...But if the friend is Black ? HolymoneytrainlawsuitBatman!


"The Welfare office told me I should be steralized! And the lady gave me a nasty glare when she said it to...Al Sharpton you still listening ? Ok Good! I think her problem is cuz im a black man. Al you said you are flying over right now for a million man march in my town?! Wow great!"

Zing...Instant news to be blasted all over the media for a few weeks and Obama saying how awful it is on TV. Big $$$ to the man to. But if he is White ? He probably IS a bum.
 
If the state is going to pay for it if the guy says yes, it is a win-win for both. They guy can say no and not have a vasc done, or if he wants one, he can get it for free.

I see no problem with it.

How is it "Win/Win" when your options are get sterilized or get off welfare?

Inhumanity seems to be an American trait.
 
How is it "Win/Win" when your options are get sterilized or get off welfare?

Inhumanity seems to be an American trait.


You win by getting free money. The state wins by freeloaders not pumping out more free loader babies. In the long run its a win for the state and a win for the person applying for free money [welfare]. Atleast thats what Cyber is trying to say.
 
Those making such assertions have already been sterilized- emotionally & intellectually, anyway.

Lots of people end up on some type of assistance from time to time, almost always on a temporary basis.

As right wing top down class warfare advances, we'll probably see even more of it.
 
You couldn't come up with something to add so you decided to throw down a blanket insult based on hyperbole? It wasn't even a tiny bit amusing.

While I don't agree with the OP at all, I do understand the problem he's addressing, and the frustration he feels at seeing tax dollars used to support people that seem unconcerned about supporting themselves.

No, clueless as usual, I did add something. The fact you don't understand what it was results in your post.

I don't know what you mean by "blanket insult", other than it's a cliche and you might tend to spout cliches meaninglessly. Oops, was that a blanket insult?

There's nothing "blanket" about it. It's about one statement of one person, very specific.

As for insult, that's a cheap easy word to throw around at any criticism. If I criticize Paul Ryan for shifting Medicare money to tax cuts for the rich, is that 'criticism' or 'insult'?

My point here was to say that this post is advocating having the government intrude greatly into people's lives in a cruel way. That's a criticism more than an insult.

In doing so, I highlighted that such people love to talk the talk of 'small government', but are hypcritical about it IMO when it comes to people who receive assistance.

Republicans tend to have these cruel, hateful attitudes towars anyone who receives any sort of food stamps or welfare or aid for children. They LOVE anything that attacks them, that tries to cut benefits. They have no solutions, and bad policies on the issues - just get rid of all benefits and they'll be fine! So rather than 'debate' the issue of the bad policies, I'm pointing out that this is a contradiction to their 'small government' rhetoric.

That they throw the rhetoric out the window and dehumanize when it comes to welfare.

Now, I understand the sentiment quite well, contrary to your post, and I think it's wrong.

Surprising hint for you: even progressives who strongly support assistance for the poor can stand in a grocery line, see food stamps pulled out to buy food, and feel a flash of "WHO THE HELL ARE THESE POEOPLE GETTING TAX DOLLARS, THE BASTARDS!!!!", before the next step of remembering a better understanding of the issues and supporting the food stamps - that is the thing Republicans don't do, instead RAGING against the food stamp people - and rushing to vote for a Newt Gingrich who runs a campaign based on pandering to that hatred, calling Obama the 'food stamp President', while screwing the voters he's pandering to by serving who's are really damaging to the country, e.g. Wall Street.

Look, there is a logic to saying "what the hell business do people who are struggling this much have having children they can't afford to support?"

This is an issue with different sides to discuss the tradeoffs between fiscal issues and the benefits to incenting not having chilren, versus the moral issues involved in recognizing having children as an important and moral thing for people to get to do and that helping people in poverty do so has humane beneftis, reducing the problems of poverty on them, not to mention the practical issue people tend to have children no matter what even if they can't afford them, and there are practical and moral benefits to their having care.

If you REALLY want to get people who can't afford children not to have them not to, you probably not to be a half-as about it and make it a crime with long jail sentences.

Anything less seems unlikely to do so, if even that will. By the way, something like 98% of all children born in coming decades will be to the poorest people in the world.

This is a complicated issue to discuss; not one well suited to the right-wing idiot who can contribute nothing but the 'that asshole taking food stamps' rage you have.

That's an important difference, the left better appreciates what helps create a better society, while the ragers you represent are incompetent citizens creating poverty.

You don't even understand how much progress in our society at reducing poverty is because of left-wing programs - you just take it for granted like the spoiled kids you are.

So, I'll stand by my post, which makes one point about the whole 'small government' blather going out the window when aimed at the poor, and say your response is wrong.
 
Absolutely correct.

As for your second statement, the same could be said about the other side. Punishing hard working people and savers, and expressing extreme dislike for them is a pretty big stape of modern American liberal views for all liberals.

Thank you. The vicious contempt and outright hatred we see for people that shop at K-mart or Walmart almost always comes from the left.
 
Absolutely correct.

As for your second statement, the same could be said about the other side. Punishing hard working people and savers, and expressing extreme dislike for them is a pretty big stape of modern American liberal views for all liberals.

You're so cute when you put on the robes of false attribution & projection.

It's not like the average CEO works 300X as much as the average employee, even thought they make 300X the money.

Get over yourself.
 
Population decline is a worse evil.

It is the future, guaranteed. If it does not occur gradually then it will occur suddenly as we snap back to a level of sustainability. I hope I don't need to draw you a picture of how that happens.

All this is aside from the fact that the government should not be involved in sterility, but the issue of overpopulation will be a daunting and most difficult one moving forward over the next century.
 
It is the future, guaranteed. If it does not occur gradually then it will occur suddenly as we snap back to a level of sustainability. I hope I don't need to draw you a picture of how that happens.

All this is aside from the fact that the government should not be involved in sterility, but the issue of overpopulation will be a daunting and most difficult one moving forward over the next century.

For the US I don't think this is the century we're going to have to worry about overpopulation. There's places like india that last I checked (a very long time ago) had 3x the population and 1/3 the land mass. Granted, we don't want to be like India (as much as some people wish our middle class were like them), but I think it shows we have a lot of growing room before things really become a crisis.

I think it's perfectly fine to offer voluntary sterilization to the poor (absolutely no benefits aside from it being paid for) that should be neither here nor there with welfare though.
 
at least the one's who remain on it for over six months should be required that they make a choice if they continue to recieve "aid" it should be mandatory, the alternative would be to get a job and keep one's egg sac.

No thanks. The US is a great country that does not punish, sterilize, mutilate, murder, etc it's people for being poor.
 
I agree, let's start with the guys who really get welfare, banks & big corps, & Red states. 😉

Yeah, every bank executive and CEO who took a bailout should be lined up and blindfolded, put their junk on a big board and just go down the line with a cleaver - whack, whack, whack lol
 
You win by getting free money. The state wins by freeloaders not pumping out more free loader babies. In the long run its a win for the state and a win for the person applying for free money [welfare]. Atleast thats what Cyber is trying to say.

"Free money". Wow, that's a pretty fucked up view on welfare.
 
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