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Those on welfare should be sterilized

Onceler

Onceler

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at least the one's who remain on it for over six months should be required that they make a choice if they continue to recieve "aid" it should be mandatory, the alternative would be to get a job and keep one's egg sac.
 
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Riiiiight. Because everyone who takes longer than 6 months to find employment is choosing not to.

Why don't we throw in low income earners for good measure too?

Ah, the land of the free.
 
Craig234 said:
Ah, another small-government conservative.
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You couldn't come up with something to add so you decided to throw down a blanket insult based on hyperbole? It wasn't even a tiny bit amusing.

While I don't agree with the OP at all, I do understand the problem he's addressing, and the frustration he feels at seeing tax dollars used to support people that seem unconcerned about supporting themselves.
 
Why bother with sterilization, considering the poor (especially blacks) have abortions at a rate many times the national average anyway? Same net effect, plus they are the ones picking up the costs.
 
Onceler said:
at least the one's who remain on it for over six months should be required that they make a choice if they continue to recieve "aid" it should be mandatory, the alternative would be to get a job and keep one's egg sac.
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In addition to your brilliant eugenics program, have you considered the value of "work centers" to house these undesirables?
 
Onceler said:
Those on welfare should be sterilized

at least the one's who remain on it for over six months
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I actually agree with this.

They just made drug testing a requirement so this is a logical next step.

These mothers sit at home and collect ADC (Aid to Dependent Children) and all kinds of Government taxpayer money popping out 15 kids from 15 different fathers and they don't raise them, they just have them.

This is the criminal base and it just keeps perpetuating itself.
 
I went with a friend who had to renew benefits and they asked him the question "have you had a vasectomy or are you interested in learning how you can have one performed at state expense ? " , it really surprised me. So the states are starting to push the idea somewhat, at least in NC.

The problem will not be fixed by this though because it is treating the symptom and not the problem. You have to start changing values in the homes and in the young people or everything in the USA is going to collapse not just welfare. The entitlement mentality has got to stop and you stop it by showing people they can and should provide for themselves, through education not laws.
 
glenn1 said:
Why bother with sterilization, considering the poor (especially blacks) have abortions at a rate many times the national average anyway? Same net effect, plus they are the ones picking up the costs.
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They stop having abortions after they figure out more kids = more welfare money
 
Craig234 said:
Ah, another small-government conservative.
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loliberals. Offering government benefits with a stipulation that amounts to controlling other people's lives is a liberal philosophy. A true conservative would be against welfare to begin with. Live and let live.
 
Onceler said:
at least the one's who remain on it for over six months should be required that they make a choice if they continue to recieve "aid" it should be mandatory, the alternative would be to get a job and keep one's egg sac.
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Yeah because the punishment totally fits the crime. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Why just stop there? Lets make the punishment universal and proportional to the misdeeds committed, which means the corporote lobbyists and their govt cronies will need to die a slow, miserable death.
 
Sterilization is a slippery slope to be on, and could lead to things you'd rather not think about. Remember all the people accusing Obamacare of choosing who lives and who dies? Same thing.

However.....I do believe that you shouldn't get more aid just for having another kid. That's just rewarding the same behavior that got you into needing government assistance in the first place. And yes, I have spoken with welfare recipients who were happy to know that they would receive more money because they just popped out another kid.....to the point where it sounded more like the had the kid solely for the money.

Honestly, IMHO, Welfare ought to be a time to train people in a skill that will allow them to go out and find a job, so they can support themselves and their kids. There is NO reason why anyone should be on welfare for more than 5 years, while they're going to school to better themselves. All we have created with this social program is a sense of entitlement in this country.
 
JS80 said:
loliberals. Offering government benefits with a stipulation that amounts to controlling other people's lives is a liberal philosophy. A true conservative would be against welfare to begin with. Live and let live.
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WOOOSH!!!

derpservatives...
 
I'm certainly not for sterilization, but it might be a good idea to not increase welfare benefits for people who were already on welfare when they got pregnant. I'm on the fence about that because I don't like the idea of people having abortions for financial reasons.
 
Ok then, any male not supporting his genetic child should be sterilized by definition.
Abandon your family or miss child support payments for six months, the same.
Of course.
"The" reason mothers remain on aid is often the obstacles to getting off it are too great.
In order to work child care (the cost of which is what keeps most of these families at home) must be provided.
Housing and medical care must be equivalent.
Basically as long as entry level work does not support families and "warehousing" the poor is the preferred political solution.
The USSR guarrantied jobs, housing, and medical care, and abortion was the commonest birth control choice there.

You can document young people make poor choices and a percentage of all people are comfortable emulating their parents.

What we need is required male birth control responsibility.

The current workload on DSS workers in my state is such they can do little but process paper work.
In my state poor housing buildings are being condemned without providing move to solutions.
You want a border to take care of?

There are abuses to any system involving people. "Solving" these problems in simplistic ways and getting desired results is unreal thinking.
 
marvdmartian said:
Honestly, IMHO, Welfare ought to be a time to train people in a skill that will allow them to go out and find a job, so they can support themselves and their kids.

There is NO reason why anyone should be on welfare for more than 5 years, while they're going to school to better themselves. All we have created with this social program is a sense of entitlement in this country.
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Go to school and get trained for what jobs that require training?

Your heroes sent all those jobs to China, Mexico, India et al but here.

Not much training or school needed to flip burgers and greet at Wally World door.
 
JS80 said:
loliberals. Offering government benefits with a stipulation that amounts to controlling other people's lives is a liberal philosophy. A true conservative would be against welfare to begin with. Live and let live.
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If the "true conservative" view is really live and let live, we must be running pretty short on "true conservatives" here in America 😉

I believe that many conservatives would like to think that's their world view, but it's pretty clearly not if you look around. Punishing poor people, or at least expressing extreme dislike for them, seems to be a pretty big staple of modern American conservative views for at least some conservatives.
 
marvdmartian said:
Sterilization is a slippery slope to be on, and could lead to things you'd rather not think about. Remember all the people accusing Obamacare of choosing who lives and who dies? Same thing.

However.....I do believe that you shouldn't get more aid just for having another kid. That's just rewarding the same behavior that got you into needing government assistance in the first place. And yes, I have spoken with welfare recipients who were happy to know that they would receive more money because they just popped out another kid.....to the point where it sounded more like the had the kid solely for the money.
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Anecdotal evidence isn't really enough to support your argument. And I would strongly disagree that having kids is what got welfare recipients into the position of needing welfare in the first place. Kids are expensive, and more kids are more expensive, but the conditions that lead to welfare don't necessarily have to do with having kids.
Honestly, IMHO, Welfare ought to be a time to train people in a skill that will allow them to go out and find a job, so they can support themselves and their kids. There is NO reason why anyone should be on welfare for more than 5 years, while they're going to school to better themselves. All we have created with this social program is a sense of entitlement in this country.
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I really don't understand this viewpoint that everyone without a job is just too lazy to apply themselves or get an education. Plenty of recent college graduates, many with useful degrees, are having trouble finding jobs in the current economy. Now chances are good that they'll find a job within 5 years, but should the baseline really be the upper portion of society in terms of education, means and opportunity?

I like the idea of working towards getting people off welfare and into useful careers, but I don't think it's as simple as you suggest. If people went to crappy high schools, which is a lot of people in this country since we don't value education as much as we should, then it's going to take a while to even get to the point where they can learn an advanced trade. McDonald's only has so many openings, and they don't pay you enough to live on in any case. And job training is only as good as the jobs available, and in a tough economy where experienced people are having trouble, job training may not help welfare recipients all that much.
 
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