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Wow.. Red's making an ass of himself in another thread.. go figure..

Concerning the California power issue, I think its clear that California caused the problem, and California needs to SOLVE the problem. Red Dawn can try to blame Bush for this all he wants, the fact is Red, YOUR elected officials screwed up.. I don't give a rats ass about your problems.. you are about to fall into the ocean anyway. 🙂

As much as everyone in California would like to think the world revolves around them, it doesn't... The wonderful thing about capitalism, is that if California can't provide enough power to its businesses, the businesses are just going to LEAVE.. I don't think there are any major economic issues that won't be resolved by capitalism.. businesses are simply going to go elsewhere, or the problem will be resolved.. one of the two..

I'd rather pay higher prices for products coming out of California than to pay to bail your asses out.. Maybe you should consider living somewhere that has enough resources to support its population.. if you live in a desert, no sh|t you are going to be short on water. If you don't build any power plants for 20 years, no SH|T you are going to be short on power.. Maybe instead of asking President Bush (SAY IT RED! SAY IT! PRESIDENT BUSH! MUHAHAHAHA) to bail you out, you should ask him for some LUGGAGE and some UHAULS..
 
Gee, Harvey is whining about the power issue also.. Big surprise there.. Its people like Harvey who have caused the problem. Anyone remember the Buy.com monitor fiasco? Harvey was on the forefront of suing the company.. I am sure he is also the one suing the power companies to prevent them from building new plants.. now he is on Anandtech whining about it.. what comes around goes around. Harvey, your 15% of the national ecomony is simply going to move to states that aren't as stupid as yours..
 
Red Dawn - At what point did I claim not to be an asshole at least a decent portion of the time? You're an asshole almost all the time (at least in this forum) and ignorant in this thread. You also claim to be more 'Libertarian" than anything else in your views and yet you're howling for government intervention. Should I just sit back and not point out the logical conclusion of your point of view? Lenin would be proud of your arguments.

Do you really think that the regulated system is efficient? There is no penalty to the utilities for being inefficient, they simply pass the cost on and there is no possibility of competition. More and more of the world is moving away from regulated power industries, and it is working where the stupid laws passed by California are not in place. You must be part of the "Captain Planet" brigade where all companies are evil and that is proven by their profit motive. Either that or you think the Federal government is the answer to everyone's prayers. Go back and read what you've suggested.

By the way, California is competing in an increasingly competitive world market. We can't just raise prices and expect everyone to pay.

Michael
 
Red Dawn - I'm leaning towards my characherization of you as being more of an accepted fact, than name calling. It is interested that you are calling for no name calling.

The utility companies are public companies, but they are private in and of the fact they are not government owned. So you don't have a problem with them making whatever profit the market will bear?

The deregulation in California was a big deal and it was highly publisized when it happened. It was somewhat of a "populist" movement, it was an attempt to make power costs lower. The intent is to free the average consumer from the obligation to purchase power from just one utility company. In more and more states and countries, deregulation is working. Even the current half-arsed scheme in California wouldn't be breaking down right now if the government had allowed the utility companies to buy power under long-term markets. If you look into why the deregulation was passed the way it was passed, it partially was to ensure that stranded assets (uneconomical assets owned by the utility companies) would be paid for. Under the old regulation system, the rate payer paid for every white elephant built by the quasi-governmental utility companies.

The real cause of the shortage right now is a lack of power plants in California. Blocking the building of power plants is a populist movement and it is California's responsibility.

On your pride in California - this is the second time I've live here (Hermosa Beach and Pleasanton) and I like it here. My daughter was born in California, so even part of my family is native. Your view on California's contributions is skewed, California is more than compensated for what it produces and there is no charity being done by the produce growers or others in California. I still prefer New Jersey over California and NYC is still my favourite city in the world. I'm loving the lack of snow right now, however.

Michael
 
I just read the whole thread again and I think I just witnessed a miricle! I think Red Dawn just made a 179° reversal! I think he only blames 10% of this problem on those outside of California. Imagine that!
 
Red Dawn....

Personally, i could care less about assigning blame for the current problem, or who gets credit if it gets resolved. The fact remains that the fundamental secular changes need to be put into place to make any solution possible:
1. California needs more generating capability (electric plants), and pronto.
2. For supply and demand to work, both forces need to establish an equilibrium set by the market, not artificial ceilings or floors. This means any artifical price controls need to go.

As a general rule, i would assert as well that privately-owned companies are a better solution than government-run companies, so i would think that the preservation of CalEdison and PG&E would be a worthy #3 to add.

Unless and until these changes can be put in place, ending the deadlock of the current status quo, then any intervention, Federal or otherwise, will be doomed to failure. So Red, do you support these three points (in theory anyway, if the details can be ironed out)?
 
maybe i should offer colo services to folks in cali 🙂 atlanta has plenty of power and bandwidth 🙂

hmm good idea. thanks
 
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